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It had to be done.

First off, what are your teams? Chiefs for me.

who beat the chiefs last week ;D


BEAR DOWN
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Have fun this season. We need Chris Farley back so he can do his SNL Bears skit. He'll have a heart attack every time Rex attempts a pass.

J! E! T! S! JETS! JETS! JETS!

Unfortunately.  :-[

Being a resident of Denver, Broncos (http://www.denverbroncos.com/).  But then I have been a fan since long before Elway Wigs.  When people like Morton, Turner, Moses and Little played for them.  When they were so bad, we still loved them here.  And back to when Elway sucked.  Been watching them a long time.

Jets fan huh? Ravens fan here, so how about that game on Sunday night? ;)

If Justin McCarrins wasn't a duck that game we wouldn't be having this conversation.   ;D

 >:(

Seahawks. Jeeze did they melt down Sunday against Arizona. Sheesh.

My real passion is college football. I have season tickets to the WSU Cougars, which means a 10-hour round-trip drive to Pullman four or five times a year. Great fun.

Yeah those last few plays where you could've had a touchdown killed you. Oh well, time to look forward to the next game.

Already looking forward to it.  Problem is we already know who's winning the division, let alone the super bowl.   

I don't get how Brady and Moss can be on the same team.  It's unfair...

It's cheating.

Oh I think Belichick would know all about cheating ;)

How is Ben Graham doing?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=punt&league=nfl&season=2&year=2007

Remember, only two games have been played so far.

Three football fans from California were out for a ride when one noticed a foot sticking out of the bushes by the side of the road.

They stopped and discovered a nude female, passed out drunk.

Out of respect and propriety, the Forty-niners fan took off his cap and placed it over her right breast. The Chargers fan took off his cap and placed it over her left breast. Following their lead, but with some grumbling, the Raiders fan took off his cap and placed it over her girly part.

The police were called and when the first officer arrived, he conducted his investigation. First he lifted up the Forty-niners cap, replaced it and wrote down some notes. Next, he lifted the Chargers cap and replaced it, writing down some more notes.

The officer then lifted the Raiders cap, replaced it, then lifted it again, replaced it, lifted it a third time and replaced it one last time.

The Forty-niners fan was becoming annoyed and asked, "What are you, a pervert or something? Why do you keep lifting and looking, lifting and looking?"

"Well," said the officer, "I am just simply surprised. Normally, when you look under a Raiders cap... you find an asshole."

LOL.  :D

Eagles fans are worse...

Good one wigs. LMAO.

I'm a redskins fan.

There's four games I'm gonna be watching today:

Arizona @ Baltimore
NYG @ Washington
Cincinatti @ Seattle
Dallas @ Chicago

It's looking pretty good for Baltimore right now. Anyone watching?

What the hell are the Eagles wearing?

Apparently it's 75th anniversary uniforms....which look bizarre.

Oh shit! Yamon Figurs just made a 75-yd touchdown!!!

I think the Cardinals are cooked.

Kevin Curtis...omg!

Liking my fantasy day:

Jon Kitna
Kevin Curtis
Adrian Peterson
Anquan Boldin

Screw the Giants.

Well even though Baltimore only won by 3 points I'm still glad we won at all.

Also glad for Seattle beating Cincinatti, imagine my father's joy when he heard it on the television.

And why is it 3rd quarter and both Dallas and Chicago are tied and 10 each?

I think Rex Grossman should be fired.

:D

Wow, you think?

Did anyone happen to catch the game between Tennessee and New Orleans?

Chiefs baby!!!

I think the jets should get rid of Pennington and put in Clemons.  :laugh:

Or get rid of their rat-coach...

Dude, it's mangenius for a reason.

Because he got to the playoffs? Even Herm Edwards won a playoff game.

Wow. The Seahawks absolutely man-handled the 49ers. Either our defensive line just attained superstar status, or the 49ers' offensive line has serious problems. (It's no doubt the latter).

Alexander is killing me though.

Bears are looking horrid

I don't know what the Browns were eating the week before the game but they kicked our asses pretty well. Makes me feel bad we traded Jamal Lewis >:( I'm so mad we lost.

Congrats to the Cardinals for putting down the Steelers at last.

I hope the Pats get spanked by Cincinnati

Goddamn Chicago, Greise is a lot better than Grossman, though. Benson is a bust, should have traded him instead of Thomas Jones. So many injuries on defense  :'( .

Just from looking at the score right now that doesn't seem likely. 24-7 is a lot of points when you're in 3rd Quarter.

Way to rub it in.

Oh never mind, its now 24-10. Don't feel too bad, I want to Bengals to beat them  and hey the Ravens lost to the Browns for once yesterday.

So, you have no quarterback, no running back and a banged up defense. What happens when teams stop kicking to Devin Hester?

Chicago at Green Bay

Baltimore at San Francisco

Cleveland at New England

Detroit at Washington

The only games I'm watching today. And I can bet that Green Bay will win their game, no offense Bears fans ;)

So BBW.....how 'bout them Chiefs?

We're 2-3, as is Denver and San Diego, and Oakland is 2-2.

Not our best effort today.  Always hockey and baseball to watch...

Ouch, it's okay Biker, you've still got 11 more games this season. For me I expected more of a game from the Ravens and the 49ers, but hey we still won and that's all that matters.

BTW Brett Favre's wife is hot.

The Bronco's have shown promise, still Culter is pretty damn young.

I've never seen her.   Got a pic?

(http://www.packersnews.com/legacy/favre200th/images/112904deanna.jpg)

I hear she is a huge bitch.

The Bears duffed the Packers. Word up.

I actually thought the Packers were going to win, but oh well. Bears fans, soak in the moment.

Is it wrong for me to stop watching Jets games anymore?   ...it pains me.  It really does.  So much potential.  Wasted.

That's what happens when your coach is a rat bastard. Karma.

lol.  At least he don't cheat...  ;D  I am starting to wish Herm was still here.  Can we have him back?

Not yet. He completely turned our defense around.

I would rather have ty law back.

Ty law plus Vilma equals domination.  Shame our defense is the reason we suck this year... I thought we fixed that.

Ty Law hasn't been all that great this year. Too many teams run sweeps to the right and he gets juked easily.

Havn't paid attention.  Doesn't deserve it IMO.  ;D

Damn. Interception and a touchdown by the Bills. How 'bout that, and another interception right now.

God damn! 4 interceptions by Romo.

Buffalo just might win if that keeps happening.

Dallas got a field goal to bring within 7. With the exception of two interceptions turned touchdowns, the Buffalo offense has only gotten 3 points.

How about Terrence McGhee's 103-yd touchdown?

Niiiice.

So, Trent Edwards throws in a red zone pick, and on the very next play, so does Romo. To quote Ron Jawroski: "Bizarre".

I don't know what's up with the Cowboys tonight, especially Romo but it's making the Bills look real good.

Is the AFC really that much better?

Well they've been pretty good for the last few years.

T.O. drops it! Wow!

Onside kick recovered by Dallas. This game is fucked.

Oh for fucking sake, I don't believe that. I don't believe that, that close to winning.

That was an amazing game. Simply amazing.

I really thought all those interception throws by Romo would've done them in and those two field goal attempts would've too.

Someone should keep an eye on the Chicago-Minnesota game please.

I bet Baltimore is going to own St. Louis: the Rams may have a better record than us when we play them but they absolutely suck this year.

I want Dallas to win their game but let's be real, the Pats win.

And hopefully New Orleans will make a comeback.

So Wigs how 'bout them Chiefs?

Nice game.

I'm having my best fantasy day but the dude I'm playing had LT. I'm so pissed.

What happened to the Saints? Were they on vacation all this season and then just decided to come back and score 4 touchdowns against Seattle in the 1st half?

New York Giants @ Atlanta, got any bets?

Giants will probably win, that's all I can say.

I have Atlanta covering. I went 5-5-2 against the spread this week.

CBS Sports is reporting that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is talking about a possible Super Bowl in London. Tailgating with fish and chips?

OswaldTheOsprey

http://www.sportsline.com/print/nfl/story/10410478

I heard that. Stupid fucking idea.

Does that mean you believe it will become reality? ;)

OswaldTheOsprey

Haha, yeah.

Imagine the Superbowl commercials that could air....

Bentleys and Rolls! ;)

OswaldTheOsprey

I prefer bud light commercials.

In England would it be Bud Light, LTD? ;)

OswaldTheOsprey

Never really cared for British Television when I went over.  However, the BBC and CNN World News were nice.  No Bud Light commercials though.  Lots of Stella Artois Commercials.

Well, they did give us Monty Python and Benny Hill. ;)

OswaldTheOsprey

Past my time.  :-[

Past my time.  :-[
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Ah, but the brilliant works of these Old Masters are on dvd.

OswaldTheOsprey

Ah, but the brilliant works of these Old Masters are on dvd.

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I have watched.  But I barely laughed.  Comedy works in one direction for me: what's fresh and new.  Most comedians inspired by these old masters use many of their techniques anyways so when watching the originals its like I am watching something unoriginal and boring.  Know what I mean?

Sorry to knock them, I applaud their brilliance, its just my young tastes have trumped it.   :-[

However I have watched the Mel Brooks when I was young (space balls and history of the world part 1 are my favorites) so I still have some appreciation for the old.   :)

Or maybe I just don't like British comedy... *me shrugs*

I have watched.  But I barely laughed.  Comedy works in one direction for me: what's fresh and new.  Most comedians inspired by these old masters use many of their techniques anyways so when watching the originals its like I am watching something unoriginal and boring.  Know what I mean?

Sorry to knock them, I applaud their brilliance, its just my young tastes have trumped it.   :-[

However I have watched the Mel Brooks when I was young (space balls and history of the world part 1 are my favorites) so I still have some appreciation for the old.   :)

Or maybe I just don't like British comedy... *me shrugs*
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You are not "knocking" them, you simply prefer other types of comedy. Nothing wrong with that. I'm so old fashioned that I like tha Marx Brothers! ;)

OswaldTheOsprey

You are not "knocking" them, you simply prefer other types of comedy. Nothing wrong with that. I'm so old fashioned that I like tha Marx Brothers! ;)

OswaldTheOsprey
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Damn.  That's old fashioned.  ;D

Dudes, NFL thread...

Sorry...

Yeah, I gave up on the Jets.  We need a new QB and Pennington and Mangina are in bed together so we are basically screwed.  What a waste of talent.

Fun stat of the day: Mangenius has only won one game since appearing on the Sopranos.

Where'd you get that?

It's what I do.

Oops! :-[

OswaldTheOsprey

Week 7

Baltimore @ Buffalo
Arizona @ Washington
Chicago @ Philadelphia
Pittsburgh @ Denver
Atlanta @ New Orleans
San Francisco @ New York Giants
New England @ Miami
Tennessee @ Houston
Tampa Bay @ Detroit
Kansas City @ Oakland
New York Jets @ Cincinnati
St. Louis @ Seattle
Minnesota @ Dallas
Indianapolis @ Jacksonville (Monday Night)

I'll say this right now, St. Louis is probably already dead in the water. Got any other bets on who wins?

I don't know how we lost to Buffalo......I'm ashamed :(

Congrats to New Orleans though for beating Atlanta.

Denver is beating Pittsburgh just enough.

Yay, Denver won!!

As for tonight, the Colts will probably beat the Jaguars, for those who are watching ESPN now and it'll be two teams in the whole league with a perfect record thus far.

Leading the AFC West! Whoo-hoo!

Yea Oakland sucks pretty bad.

They haven't won a divisional game since November 2004.

There is only 1.5 teams in the NFL now.

Patriots and, I guess, the Colts.

Indianapolis Colts  6-0
Points for: 193
Points against: 95
TD's:22

New England Patriots  7-0
PF: 279
PA: 120
TD's:36

Nov. 4 is going to be the only game of the season and all games after will be the Patriots exhibition on going 18-0 and winning the Super Bowl.

Not to jinx it or anything....



Seriously, though, Brady and the Pats seem unstoppable. With Welker and Moss they have all the offense problems fixed and two running backs that have shown they can do the job.

Now, if Brady gets hurt.... :-\

Onion Sports: Patriots Stunned By Mere 17-Point Victory   Oct. 11, 2007
By Onion Sports

BOSTON -- The Patriots organization is reeling this week following their narrow 34-17 victory over the lowly Browns, taking stock of their game-planning methods, philosophy, and indeed their entire season in the aftermath of a game in which they gained barely more than 500 total yards, came within seconds of failing to cover the spread, and scored only twice as much as their opponent.

"I think it's too early to call the season a failure," said visibly shaken Patriots head coach Bill Belichick, who was called into the office of owner Robert Kraft Monday morning and officially placed on probation in light of the insufficiently dominant victory. "I wish to extend my deepest apologies to the Patriots fans and ask them to continue supporting the players and the team. All the blame for Sunday's victory has to lie with me."

Practices have been subdued and intense this week as players struggle to adjust offensive and defensive schemes that were unable to put the Browns away until late in the first quarter, produced a scant 4.4 yards per rush -- only 0.6 yards over the league average -- and had to rely on two interceptions and a fumble recovery to finally go up by more than 10 points.

"I have to take my share of the blame," said quarterback Tom Brady, who has already drawn moderate criticism this season for throwing only three touchdowns in each of the Patriots' games so far. "With two minutes left in the fourth quarter, I missed [tight end] Kyle [Brady] in the end zone. Any other greatest quarterback makes that touchdown pass and we win by 24 -- not outstanding, but at least it would have given us some pride in the locker room. As it was, we couldn't look each other in the eye."
     
Although Belichick has refused to discuss personnel moves, Patriots insiders say that benching Brady for next week's game against undefeated Dallas was a definite possibility. All-pro tight end Ben Watson, who only scored twice against the Browns and struggled to produce a 106-yard performance, will almost certainly lose his starting job. Backup running back Samuel Morris managed only 102 yards on 21 carries and is generally acknowledged to be finished in the NFL. And wideout Randy Moss, held to only 49 yards, is almost certain to be traded by next week.

"It was probably my worst game as a pro," said linebacker Junior Seau, who was almost invisible for the whole game, only able to intercept a total of two Derek Anderson passes all game and none in the second half. "Not that I was alone out there. Randall [Gay] only recovered one fumble for a touchdown. And I hate to call out the other unit, but there were a couple of times when the offensive line almost gave up their fourth sack of the season."

"I've tried so hard to build a culture of winning here, and this is the kind of win we get," Belichick said at a post-practice press conference Wednesday. "This team has so much wrong with it, it's hard to believe we've managed to only lose zero games."

Gonna merge this with the NFL thread.

I'm scared to death of when we play the Pats this season, and the sad part is we play them back-to-back with the Colts.

Week 8 of the season:

Philadelphia @ Minnesota
Pittsburgh @ Cincinnati
Washington @ New England
Indianapolis @ Carolina
Detroit @ Chicago
New York Giants @ Miami (in London)
Cleveland @ St. Louis
Oakland @ Tennessee
Buffalo @ New York Jets
Houston @ San Diego
Jacksonville @ Tampa Bay
New Orleans @ San Francisco
Green Bay @ Denver (Monday Night)

Ravens are on bye week :(

Buffalo was the upset pick for this week.  How the hell is beating the Jets an upset?

Pats are going to spank Washington although I will not be surprised if jaws drop during the game cuz the Skins defense is nasty. 

But it would be nice to see the two only undefeated teams in the NFL, get to duke it out again like last year...assuming both win this week.   

What was I thinking...of course the Pats would spank the Redskins. 

7-0 vs 7-0...can't wait.

I don't get it, its like every other time a team plays they do good or fairly well but when they play the Pats they just can't get their act together ???

And now its 45-0 for New England...

Dynasty...

I knew the Packers would win last night but I didn't think they'd have to go into overtime.

That game was painful to watch.

Thank god for Cooley.

Sam Dana, 104, died on Monday at a nursing home near Buffalo, NY. Mr. Dana was the oldest living former NFL player. In 1922 he was a teammate of Lou Gehrig on the Columbia University football team. From The New York Times.

OswaldTheOsprey

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/01/sports/football/01dana.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&ref=obituaries&pagewanted=print

Week 9 Schedules:

Washington @ New York Jets
Cincinnati @ Buffalo
New England @ Indianapolis
Dallas @ Philiadelphia
Baltimore @ Pittsburgh (Monday Night)
San Francisco @ Atlanta
Denver @ Detroit
Green Bay @ Kansas City
San Diego @ Minnesota
Jacksonville @ New Orleans
Carolina @ Tennessee
Arizona @ Tampa Bay
Seattle @ Cleveland
Houston @ Oakland

Wigs, ya ready for Green Bay to come to town?

On behalf of Wigs and the Chiefs, I apologize for your loss.

And I am sure none of you will hear from me for a while after tonight's loss to Shittsburgh >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Yeah, at least we're still in 1st.

I'm back....finally over Monday night's loss.

The Pats now stand alone. They have a bye and then Buffalo.
Then a stretch of trouble: Philly, Pittsburgh and Baltimore. After that, they have clean sailing until. possibly, the Giants at the end of the season.

I for one, would be happy for a perfect season, but more happy for a Championship.  Obviously, both would be ideal.

Baltimore is not a problem for the Pats, since they've beaten us every time we've played them.

We're totally fucked :'(

Philly and Baltimore?

hahahahahahahahaha

Anyone who thinks that the PATS WON'T have an undefeated season raise your hand?

Careful class, I got the DUNNO hat and the stool's already in the corner.

WHos' in the lineup this weekend? any good games, I'm not a fan, just like a good match every now and then.

There aren't any good games this year except for when the Patriots play, and they are on a bye.

Week 10:

Philadelphia @ Washington
Cincinnati @ Baltimore
Indianapolis @ San Diego
San Francisco @ Seattle (Monday Night)
Atlanta @ Carolina
Minnesota @ Green Bay
Denver @ Kansas City
Buffalo @ Miami
St. Louis @ New Orleans
Cleveland @ Pittsburgh
Jacksonville @ Tennessee
Detroit @ Arizona
Dallas @ New York Giants
Chicago @ Oakland

God I hope our game against Cincy is a lot better this time around.

I gotta say that I love the Faith in the Pats you guys have, but I get worried with that little stretch. Even Miami in their perfect season had a few squeakers that could have gone the other way.  True, those teams aren't what they've been in the past, but I expect one of them to lay it all out, possibly even just trying to whack Brady. Indy almost had them and any NFL team has a potential to win (I hear...)

And remember, its getting into the nasty weather time of year. One windy/sleeting day could take Brady out of the mix and give a good running team a chance.


Either way, I'm going to love how this narrative plays out.


BTW, are the Colts done? Little girls... booo hooooo..... :lol:!!

Week 11:

Cleveland @ Baltimore
Washington @ Dallas
New England @ Buffalo
Tennessee @ Denver (Monday Night)
Tampa Bay @ Atlanta
New York Giants @ Detroit
Miami @ Philadelphia
Oakland @ Minnesota
San Diego @ Jacksonville
Kansas City @ Indianapolis
Arizona @ Cincinnati
Carolina @ Green Bay
New Orleans @ Houston
Pittsburgh @ New York Jets
Chicago @ Seattle
St. Louis @ San Francisco

And as for the Colts I'm sure they'll pull back together (no offense Wigs)

I'm taking the line on that Chiefs game. The Colts have half of their team benched due to injuries.

Jacksonville pwns.

Told you to take the line.

I can't believe this shit just happened.....

T.O. is out of control.

Do teams just accept the loss before they even play the Pats?

We all knew Buffalo wasn't gonna win. Baltimore has the unfortunately honor of playing the Pats in two weeks (and on Monday Night too) so we're gonna get blown out the water.

[shrug]We are 5-5 and tied for the AFC West.  Go figure.  [/shrug]

But y'all won.

Yeah, and they played a good game.  I was pretty much convinced they season was over a month ago, and here we are tied for the top of our division. 

Yeah, the JV division.

Whatever.

Well at least you are your two teams have something to celebrate.

Celebrate? What, that they might go to the playoffs and get bounced in the first round? If you're not a Pats, Colts, Cowboys or Packers fan, then this year sucks. The difference between the top and the bottom is huge.

Hey, if they make it, great.  Specially because we all though a couple of weeks ago it was over.

I could root for the Pats, but I kinda like underdogs.  I absolutely despise the Cowboys and the Packers.  NO real feelings about the Colts.

But see neither Denver hasn't lost their last 4 games in a row.

Football on Thanksgiving Day:

Green Bay @ Detroit (right now on FOX)
New York Jets @ Dallas
Indianapolis @ Atlanta

It sucks to be a Jets fan right now.

Especially a female Jets fan. (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/20/sports/football/20fans.html?_r=1&em&ex=1195621200&en=2883c021f9e19669&ei=5087%0A&oref=slogin)

I don't know if I should be ashamed because of being a fan or a man.

Week 12 schedules:

Washington @ Tampa Bay
Tennessee @ Cincinnati
Baltimore @ San Diego (really scared of this)
Philadelphia @ New England (they're dead in the water)
Miami @ Pittsburgh (Monday Night)
New Orleans @ Carolina
Buffalo @ Jacksonville
Seattle @ St. Louis
Minnesota @ New York Giants
Oakland @ Kansas City
Houston @ Cleveland
San Francisco @ Arizona
Denver @ Chicago

Damnit.

The Eagles put up a hell of a fight, stopped the Pats from racking up 40+ points and still lost. For a few minutes I thought they were going to beat the Pats.

Well at least now I'm prepared for the ass-whooping the Pats are gonna give us next Monday.

3-0 and the Steelers win?? You gotta be kidding me.

Both teams were absolutely pathetic tonight, and that gives me hope for our game against both teams later on.

Dude, the field was tore the fuck up. Has nothing to do with the teams.

I was worried for a while, but I enjoyed the game - especially the outcome.  I'm worried most about Baltimore and Pittsburgh. After that, we are going to have easy sailing until the NYG, but if they only need one more game to be perfect, I pity the NYG.  Of course, though, Bellichek may use the second string for some of the game to keep them healthy for the Post Season.

Anyhow, its all speculation.

Maybe Baltimore ends the perfect season and we just wait for the playoffs. And maybe pigs will fly... hahahaha :-) /jk

btw, Big D and GB are looking tough. I know the Pats crushed D, but you never know.  I see a DAL/NE SuperBowl, with GB losing to D in the NFC Champship.  The AFC Champship will probably be IND/NE.

Sean Taylor died today. His murderer(s) deserve the most painful, horrible death known to man.

Indeed he does. Murder most foul.

OswaldTheOsprey

My roommate almost broke my table in half.  And half the neighborhood heard him.

A fine game indeed.  I love your lack of hope against the Pats.   :laugh:

Why is that?

It's obvious isn't it?

Well I would imagine the death penalty or life in prison would suffice. What makes his 'murder' so special?

"I know how I feel about Taylor, and this latest news isn't surprising in the least, not to me. Whether this incident is or isn't random, Taylor grew up in a violent world, embraced it, claimed it, loved to run in it and refused to divorce himself from it. He ain't the first and won't be the last. We have no idea what happened, or if what we know now will be revised later. It's sad, yes, but hardly surprising." - Michael Wilbon

From what I heard, he actually tried to get away from that lifestyle. Perhaps that's why he was murdered.

They've just made a lot of enemies....

That's what they all say

Well, ok. He just had a kid.

.... He already had a loved one. Aka his fiance, who was his girlfriend for ages.

And now his kid won't know her father, his girlfriend has no lover and his family is minus one loved member.

So that means he was lying about it? Any evidence?

OswaldTheOsprey

That's what happens when you're attached to the world he was involved with....

Time will tell

Correction: he was no longer attached to that world, he had been on reform from what I've heard.

There were stories long before this happened saying that he was getting out. I know everybody would love it if he was just another thug, but sorry, it didn't happen like that.

I'm sorry, but your hearsay really isn't worth a whole lot.

Anyways, this shouldn't even be big news. As I always say, we've got soldiers dying over in Iraq. Where's their light?

There's no light on that, at least from the media, because soldiers are dying every day in Iraq and it's war so that's nothing new. As for this, it's not everyday that Pro-football players get killed in their own homes.

I didn't realise athletes were more important than the people who protect the country. My mistake.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/11/27/taylor.daughter/index.html

Get off your moral high ground. What bothers me about this is that people like you just dismiss it as another thug being shot down. Who cares, right? What a great way to show young black America that nobody cares and they can just gun each other down. I'm sure that will solve a bunch of problems.

By the way, this is the Sports & Entertainment section. There's a reason we're not talking about Iraq right now, ya dig?

I never suggested that one group was more important than the other, I said it was from the media.

AHAHAHA

I don't see where I'm endorsing his shooting or saying "yeah thats right all of you little african amercians, shoot the people you don't like". I'm simply saying he was entangled in that world, so it isn't a surprise. Whether or not he was still involved, no one will be able to say for sure. But in that type of world you join on your feet and leave in a body bag. The same tends to apply to the Mafia.
I don't see where I told you "Talk about the dead soldiers in this section". I didn't. Pull your head out of that special place.

And I don't see how I'm on a moral high ground. I'm simply telling you the way it is. Quit your crying.

Calling somebody a thug who tried to leave the world he was brought up in isn't "telling me the way it is". It's just you saying, "whatever, he's a thug". If once a thug always a thug, what would lead people like him out of that kind of life?

I've already read the above article and it's all hearsay. Nothing has been proven.

You leave through a body bag or a witness protection program (more prevelant in the mafia, but it could apply)

And yes, you are being told

And exactly what kind of proof would you like?

I'd like to see what kind of things the po-po can dig up

Well, I could dig up report after report quoting people close to him saying he turned his life around, weeks before this even happen. But I'm sure that's not enough to paint a different picture, so why try...

Can we get back to the topic - how the Patriots are going to win the next 6 Super Bowls in a row, and the Stanley Cup and World Series, and Olympics....

The Bruins are like 150-1 to win the Stanley Cup, at least.

No, I'm saying teh Patriots will win the Stanley Cup.   They're that good... ;-)

Nobody would notice.

http://www.itsallpolitics.com/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,26/topic,1060.0/

just give that a read BBW

Well I'll say this was definitely the most posting done in this thread at one time.

Anyone watching the GB/Dallas game? GB leading 3-0.

edit: green bay just got robbed on some bullshit call.

Brett Favre is looking HORRIBLE. Throwing gimmes into double coverage.

Favre? Looking horrible? C'est impossible!

Interception for Brett Favre.

Romo: 3 tds
Favre: 2 ints

This game is over...

Go GB

Brett Favre injured.

Dallas beating Green Bay is not something I would've conceived. Still I bet these two will be fighting for a division game.

Week 13:

San Francisco @ Carolina
Buffalo @ Washington
Houston @ Tennessee
Atlanta @ St. Louis
Seattle @ Philadelphia
Detroit @ Minnesota
Jacksonville @ Indianapolis
San Diego @ Kansas City
New York Jets @ Miami
Denver @ Oakland
Cleveland @ Arizona
Tampa Bay @ New Orleans
New York Giants @ Chicago
Cincinnati @ Pittsburgh
New England @ Baltimore (Monday night and I'm scared shitless of this)

My biggest fear is that your convict takes a nasty lick on Brady. ;-)  We'll win, but hopefully not lose some people in the process.

What's that "convict" part supposed to mean?

Ray Lewis.

Daedalus smited for weak, unjustified attempt at an insult.

And how 'bout them Giants?

Ray Lewis murders people.

Yeah OK.... ::)

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/news/19/06/04/lewis_agreement/

Yep, no murder. I've always seen it as kind of sad that this is someone's "best" and only argument against Lewis. A 10-year old can be more sophisticated than that.

You know I'm messing with you, right?

Yeah I figured that out a while ago.

Ok, good.

me 2, btw.
(you convict lover) ;)

"Dear Lord, please allow the Ravens to come off with a win tonight, as you are the source of miracles. Please guide to ball to the hands of Willis McGahee as he makes his way towards the endzone. Please guide the winds in the direction of Tom Brady, so that he may falter and cost his team a play. And lastly, please keep Todd Heap in good health throughout the night. Can I get a Amen?"

"Lord, please have Wes Welker catch 37 touchdown passes, for he is on my fantasy team."

Wow! How to stop them twice on either play counts on the 35th yard line and Brady still scrambles for a 1st down!

HAHA.

PLEASE THROW IT TO WELKER!!!!

Again...another 4th down.  McFranklin this is your time...

Oh my...

THATS NOT A CATCH. HE WAS STILL JUGGLING THE BALL!

Mic is gonna hang himself.

The Pats are the luckiest team in football.  They got every call that drive. Such BS.

Every call was good, from my view.

I would say that the Jets should be the ones to break their streak but I think it would be better if Miami did it.

Ain't happening.

That's it, I'm ready to commit suicide I can't take this shit anymore, I really can't.

Sorry Mic. Get drunk, that's what I do.

Ah, the amazing ineffectualness of prayer... ;-)

BTW, isn't ANY team going to at least try a little against the Pats? every game seems like all they have to do is sleepwalk thru...
hahahaha


Seriously though, that was 58 minutes of the best football I have seen against the Pats.

Discredit Philadelphia so quickly?

Who? :laugh:

Not to rub it in, mic, but your Ravens need to be bitched slapped.


STFU (http://myespn.go.com/profile/hashmarks?tag=patriots-ravens)