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Title: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: zhr on April 19, 2008, 09:38:24 AM I am a college student in Shanghai,and i want to let you know chinese feel on Tibet issue.
First,i want to let you know the western media are big liars.They said Chinese government use violent to repress the Tibetan.But actually we didn't!We are so angry about this.On chinese website we always say we actually know the western countries,they don't wanna see a strong China.There are many evidence on anti-cnn.com. Second,western media say Dalai lama is a kind person,they say chairman mao aggress Tibet.I just wanna say they actually know nothing about chinese history.Tibet is a part of China hundred years!We liberate Tibet under the lead of chairman mao.Because at that time,many tibetan were slavers of Dalai lama.Do you know that?I am so angry to know many westerns support to free Tibet.I wanna say you really don't know many things.Please listen our voice! Third,i want to say maybe our government has many shortage.Then,you know,the CCP just comed into power 49years!49years ago,we are one of the most poor countries in the world,and now we are the top5 country.This is a great achievement! Sorry for my poor English!But I really hope you can understand us. This is my own opinion.Don't say any bad words to my country.Because it's relly hurt. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Fredledingue on April 19, 2008, 02:53:58 PM Hi, Welcome to the forum.
Poeple from every countries are welcome here. Please,in the future do not open a new thread when a topic already exist. There is a topic on TIBET right here. I don't realy agree with you on Mao (and communisim in general). He was a disaster for China and for Tibet. Normal that Tibetians were not happy. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: cauboi on April 21, 2008, 06:54:34 AM ZHR, when you say western media are big liars, do you mean the communist regime brainwashed you into believing that? You should clean up your mouth, before you open it, buddy.
Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Wiglaf on April 21, 2008, 04:15:27 PM I am a college student in Shanghai,and i want to let you know chinese feel on Tibet issue. I don't say bad words about your country, just its sorry excuse for a government. Given the great history of China, you deserve a far better government than you've got.First,i want to let you know the western media are big liars.They said Chinese government use violent to repress the Tibetan.But actually we didn't!We are so angry about this.On chinese website we always say we actually know the western countries,they don't wanna see a strong China.There are many evidence on anti-cnn.com. Second,western media say Dalai lama is a kind person,they say chairman mao aggress Tibet.I just wanna say they actually know nothing about chinese history.Tibet is a part of China hundred years!We liberate Tibet under the lead of chairman mao.Because at that time,many tibetan were slavers of Dalai lama.Do you know that?I am so angry to know many westerns support to free Tibet.I wanna say you really don't know many things.Please listen our voice! Third,i want to say maybe our government has many shortage.Then,you know,the CCP just comed into power 49years!49years ago,we are one of the most poor countries in the world,and now we are the top5 country.This is a great achievement! Sorry for my poor English!But I really hope you can understand us. This is my own opinion.Don't say any bad words to my country.Because it's relly hurt. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Dormouse on April 22, 2008, 10:30:30 AM I am a college student in Shanghai,and i want to let you know chinese feel on Tibet issue. That's good. We look forward to hearing your views on these issues.Quote from: zhr First,i want to let you know the western media are big liars. Yes, we already know this.But are you aware that your Chinese government is an even bigger liar? Not saying one is better than the other. Just pointing out something you ought to be aware of. Quote from: zhr They said Chinese government use violent to repress the Tibetan.But actually we didn't!We are so angry about this.On chinese website we always say we actually know the western countries,they don't wanna see a strong China.There are many evidence on anti-cnn.com. Yes, everyone knows that the Chinese government are gentle Buddhists. They would never hurt a flea.Those silly Tibetans are obviously rioting and protesting over nothing. Quote from: zhr Second,western media say Dalai lama is a kind person,they say chairman mao aggress Tibet.I just wanna say they actually know nothing about chinese history.Tibet is a part of China hundred years!We liberate Tibet under the lead of chairman mao.Because at that time,many tibetan were slavers of Dalai lama.Do you know that? Chairman Mao's reputation in the western world is little better than Stalin. Btw, if you are looking for sympathy for China from westerners, don't ever mention Mao. Mao was a monster. And Chinese lies about the Dali Lama aren't very convincing at all. Quote from: zhr I am so angry to know many westerns support to free Tibet.I wanna say you really don't know many things.Please listen our voice! Most western people couldn't care less about Tibet. It is only a fashionable cause for people who like fashionable causes. There is zero actual political support for Tibet around the world.We do care that China is engaging in some serious and large-scale human rights violations though. China will be tolerated by the west, but China will never have any western friends so long as China does not respect human rights. Quote from: zhr Third,i want to say maybe our government has many shortage.Then,you know,the CCP just comed into power 49years!49years ago,we are one of the most poor countries in the world,and now we are the top5 country.This is a great achievement! No sympathy for Communists or Maoists. Never.Quote from: zhr Sorry for my poor English!But I really hope you can understand us. Your English is quite understandable. This is my own opinion.Don't say any bad words to my country.Because it's relly hurt. But if you can't take criticism of China, you best not go around spouting official PRC propaganda on western websites. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: cauboi on April 22, 2008, 02:45:44 PM Dormouse,
That's a good teaching session, but I think you are wasting your time. Do you really believe you reply to a college student? I would bet 1000$ or even more, that you engaged a propaganda officer. I could recognize their stinking style from miles away. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Factinista on April 23, 2008, 08:08:02 AM Hi, Welcome to the forum. Poeple from every countries are welcome here. Please,in the future do not open a new thread when a topic already exist. There is a topic on TIBET right here. I don't realy agree with you on Mao (and communisim in general). He was a disaster for China and for Tibet. Normal that Tibetians were not happy. FALSE! about Mao that is. He was a great boon for China and created a great boost in the post-war Chinese society until the Hundred Flowers movement. The shattered Chinese economy grew at 18.7% in industrial sectors and 3.8% for agriculture. However he, like all dictators, grew so concerned about his power that he forgot about the people. This is not to say that the GMD couldn't have done the same :) As far as Tibet goes... Tibet hasn't been independant as a nation, theocracy or kingdom for about 1000 years. With one de facto exception between the two world wars, where China was essentially a mish-mash of tribal lords fighting each other and the Japanese occupation. Still, the politically violent oppression of Tibet is not an acceptable norm. It's not acceptable because the U.S. isn't doin it :) Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Dormouse on April 23, 2008, 09:49:22 AM FALSE! I don't know.about Mao that is. He was a great boon for China and created a great boost in the post-war Chinese society until the Hundred Flowers movement. That Great Leap Forward off a cliff was one of the ugliest, nastiest and self-defeating policies I've ever seen in the annals of history. Mao's place in the pantheon of most horrific monsters of the 20th century is well established and for darn good reasons. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Ahkenaten on April 23, 2008, 09:55:14 AM Quote The shattered Chinese economy grew at 18.7% in industrial sectors and 3.8% for agriculture. It's fair to point out that after the second world war growth was happening everywhere, if only to repair the destruction. It is difficult to determine whether it was Mao and the "system" specifically or whether it was just the change overall from an inept dynasty. He could very well have been a democrat and this change could still have taken place. Statistics about growth mean less to me coming from a country with forced socialism because naturally if everyone was a robot things would improve anywhere. But people aren't robots. Quote It's not acceptable because the U.S. isn't doin it If you say so. I can't quite recall the last time the US annexed a nation or shot protesters wholesale. Maybe you can. How about we turn this around? How about if it's okay for China to claim Tibet then is it okay for the US to claim Iraq? Mexico? Quote Tibet hasn't been independant as a nation, theocracy or kingdom for about 1000 years What's your point? Do you bring forth the same argument when speaking of the Palestinians? They've never been anything besides a city state. Rest of the time they belonged to one empire or another. One should be wary of siding with a state or entity simply because they antagonize the US and you don';t like the US. Ahk Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Patton on April 23, 2008, 12:59:18 PM Tibet is a part of China hundred years! Texas was a part of Mexico....I guess I don't understand your logic here. Rather than beat on unarmed monks....why not take on Taiwan? They are a greater threat to your mighty empire than Tibet.....afraid to get your hands dirty? Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: zhr on April 23, 2008, 11:45:06 PM Dormouse, That's a good teaching session, but I think you are wasting your time. Do you really believe you reply to a college student? I would bet 1000$ or even more, that you engaged a propaganda officer. I could recognize their stinking style from miles away. i want to tell you i'm a freshman in college.I was in school so i reply you now!!!You think an propaganda officer will has a poor English as me??But i don't care you'll believe me or not. we have different opinions,so we can discuss each other.But I won't say any words with aggressive to you,I hope you would too. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: zhr on April 23, 2008, 11:57:56 PM you know chinese opinion on mao??i can tell you my opinion!
without chairman mao maybe Chinese and China would suffer in wars in a longer time.Of course, he is a leader in the War of Resistance Against Japan.His son died in the War to Resist US Aggression and Aid Korea.Imagine, which President of country will send his son to attend war?? Yes,he made some mistakes in his declining years.China maybe stoped developing ten years or more.But CCP knew their mistakes and tried their best to corrected it.Jiangzemin,anohter chairman of China said,If without mao China would walk in darkness in a hundred years! Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Artinam on April 24, 2008, 12:55:25 AM Alright you there are propagenda officers checking people on the internet.. well atleast that's cleared up.
First off you have the right to have your own opinion on this matter. Your argument is really similar to what we in Europe (Or the Netherlands) call "But Hitler also build highways". Meaning that a Tyrant which has possibly contributed to for example economic growth, he was responsible for the deaths of many of his own people. So in my opinion if a certain dictator has caused many death and griefs any "good things" don't cancel this out. Yes there are situations where a Tyrant can bring stability, but viewing that deaths Mao caused he is one of the bigger mass murders in the world (Dito on Stalin and Hitler). About sons of presidents attending wars, what does this matter in if he is good or not. The son(in law) of the Dutch Queen Wilhelmina also fought against the Germans in the second World War, this doesn't make up for the faults he made in his his later life. Ontopic on Tibet, I' m not a pro free-tibet guy, or against a free Tibet. I hope only that the issue is resolved without to much violence. Honestly I hope China will start to talk with the Tibettian leaders (in a neutral setting without threat of persecution). I would just be as satisfied as more autonomy for Tibet, while still beeing part of the PRC. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Dormouse on April 24, 2008, 08:01:44 AM you know chinese opinion on mao??i can tell you my opinion! Mao as leader of the War of Resistance against the Japanese? Aren't you forgetting Chaing Kai-Shek? Or does he no longer exist in Chinese history? without chairman mao maybe Chinese and China would suffer in wars in a longer time.Of course, he is a leader in the War of Resistance Against Japan.His son died in the War to Resist US Aggression and Aid Korea.Imagine, which President of country will send his son to attend war?? Yes,he made some mistakes in his declining years.China maybe stoped developing ten years or more.But CCP knew their mistakes and tried their best to corrected it.Jiangzemin,anohter chairman of China said,If without mao China would walk in darkness in a hundred years! It wouldn't surprise me if Mao erased Chaing from the history books over there. Likewise with Mao's "Great Leap Forward" - that didn't just slow Chinese development for 10 years - that destroyed 50 years of Chinese development - the damage from this insane Maoist policy China as still not fully recovered from. As for the rest of your praise of Mao, I told you before that Chinese-Mao propaganda is of no interest to westerners. China is interesting and important, Mao is not. Mao was one of the worst monsters of the 20th century. When you speak reverently of Mao, people will just consider you a stooge of Chinese propaganda. As I noted above, you should avoid praising Mao if you want to be taken seriously by westerners. You are entitled to your opinions and we are glad that you choose to share them with us, but I'm just explaining why you will have difficulty if you insist on praising Mao. Mao was an avowed enemy of the west and can never be seen as anything but an avowed enemy of all westerners. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Fredledingue on April 24, 2008, 02:19:02 PM Zhr
The main mistake of Mao was not to have killed poeple (as Stalin said, at 20 millions, it's only a statistic), but to have been a communist. And your former governements didn't fix this mistake after they sacked him. It fixed just the most terrible ones, but not the main one: communism. Communism was realy stopped after Deng and after Hong Kong returned to China. Today every chinese and their dog buy each others company stocks and things are a little bit better (at least you don't sink further down anymore). Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: zhr on April 24, 2008, 05:28:19 PM Mao as leader of the War of Resistance against the Japanese? Aren't you forgetting Chaing Kai-Shek? Or does he no longer exist in Chinese history? It wouldn't surprise me if Mao erased Chaing from the history books over there. Likewise with Mao's "Great Leap Forward" - that didn't just slow Chinese development for 10 years - that destroyed 50 years of Chinese development - the damage from this insane Maoist policy China as still not fully recovered from. As for the rest of your praise of Mao, I told you before that Chinese-Mao propaganda is of no interest to westerners. China is interesting and important, Mao is not. Mao was one of the worst monsters of the 20th century. When you speak reverently of Mao, people will just consider you a stooge of Chinese propaganda. As I noted above, you should avoid praising Mao if you want to be taken seriously by westerners. You are entitled to your opinions and we are glad that you choose to share them with us, but I'm just explaining why you will have difficulty if you insist on praising Mao. Mao was an avowed enemy of the west and can never be seen as anything but an avowed enemy of all westerners. We've been told different story since we were children.I think you won't change your mind and I won't change my mind on Chairman mao.My father told me last night,he said there are only two people sleeping in crystal coffin after they died,one is Lenin ,one is our Chairman mao.So you can know how great he is.My father also told me some history that I can't heard in class about Chairman mao.Something I think Chairman mao was wrong,but as my parents said he devoted his whole heart to China. OK,I won't say anymore to apperciate to our Chairman mao,and you please don't say anything to insult to him. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Wiglaf on April 24, 2008, 08:37:44 PM We hardly need to insult him, just telling what he did is insult enough.
Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: cauboi on April 25, 2008, 05:38:30 AM Comrade Zhr,
How can you have access to this Internet communication link with the western world, if you are not one of those old style, propaganda officers? What's you explaining for that? You cannot brainwash me, brother. And Mao, like Stalin, Kim yr Sen, Kim Jong, Hitler are all a bunch of mother-fuckers. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: zhr on April 25, 2008, 06:20:07 AM Comrade Zhr, How can you have access to this Internet communication link with the western world, if you are not one of those old style, propaganda officers? What's you explaining for that? You cannot brainwash me, brother. And Mao, like Stalin, Kim yr Sen, Kim Jong, Hitler are all a bunch of mother-fuckers. I wanna brainwash you????I just tell you my opinion???This is brainwash???You are here to say China is not good,Chinese government is not good, as a Chinese I can't say a word??I've said this is my own opinion,if you don't agree,we can discuss each other,But if you don't wanna discuss with me,you needn't reply this thread! You can express your opinion,and I can't express my opinion????So this is your democracy in your country???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I finally got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: zhr on April 25, 2008, 06:42:37 AM And "Dear" Cauboi,You've said mother-fuckers???!!!How can you spoke out such dirty word??? >:(
You have no qulification to insult the people you talked about!!!Maybe you don't like them or even hate them.But they are great people for some people!!We have no qulification to insult anyone!!!Please respece yourself and repest others!!! >:( I really don't care you mind,you know???!!!You mind can represent the truth???You minds are all right??? >:( You think I'm a propaganda officers???Keep this mind, I don't care, MR CAUBOI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Ahkenaten on April 25, 2008, 07:20:53 AM Quote You are here to say China is not good No killing Tibetians is "not good". Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: zhr on April 25, 2008, 07:53:47 AM Both of us can't say,the things we knew are the truth.Both of our governments probably lied.But we should look the problem in a different ways.Stand as a Chinese view to look these problems,of course,we have different culture so we have different way of thinking.
My foreign teacher told me a lot of westerners still don't know China very much now.So please ask yourself with heart how many things you know about China??And are you sure all of the things are the truth?? I'll try think about it in your western ways!!! Some of words here are very sharp,sometimes it's really made me angry.Can't we talk in a peace way?????????????? Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Ahkenaten on April 25, 2008, 08:57:59 AM Quote I'll try think about it in your western ways!!! Some of words here are very sharp,sometimes it's really made me angry.Can't we talk in a peace way? You can start by understanding that we will call leaders of any country including our own any number of vicious names. In general we do not worship our former leaders as some governments try to do...Kin Jong for example, Mao is another example. Bush could be thought of as another. There are many who believe he can do no wrong. I promise it would not take much searching to find an internet forum where Bush, Blair or even the Queen are referred to as "mother fucker" or even worse. You really shouldn't take that as a personal insult. Ahk Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Dormouse on April 25, 2008, 09:42:24 AM I wanna brainwash you????I just tell you my opinion???This is brainwash???You are here to say China is not good,Chinese government is not good, as a Chinese I can't say a word??I've said this is my own opinion,if you don't agree,we can discuss each other,But if you don't wanna discuss with me,you needn't reply this thread! With all due respect, you are the one that came here spouting insults on America and heavenly praise for Mao. People here are reacting to those comments.You can express your opinion,and I can't express my opinion????So this is your democracy in your country???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I finally got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No one here was spouting hatred towards China or Mao until you invited it. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: cauboi on April 25, 2008, 09:42:29 AM Zhr,
You take a better look of what I said. I never said "China not good" or "Chinese people not good" As I am living in a free world, I am entitled, I have a right to say whatever I feel like about my leaders, without being shot. Can you do that? Moreover, people in western societies feel that they have the duty to speak out their minds into political matters, otherwise we end up in a dictatorship form of government, like the Chinese one right now. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Wiglaf on April 25, 2008, 12:40:53 PM Comrade Zhr, How can you have access to this Internet communication link with the western world, if you are not one of those old style, propaganda officers? What's you explaining for that? You cannot brainwash me, brother. And Mao, like Stalin, Kim yr Sen, Kim Jong, Hitler are all a bunch of mother-fuckers. I wanna brainwash you????I just tell you my opinion???This is brainwash???You are here to say China is not good,Chinese government is not good, as a Chinese I can't say a word??I've said this is my own opinion,if you don't agree,we can discuss each other,But if you don't wanna discuss with me,you needn't reply this thread! You can express your opinion,and I can't express my opinion????So this is your democracy in your country???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I finally got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: tadpol on April 25, 2008, 03:01:09 PM I have no direct knowledge of China, but several of my family members have been there, including a six month stay and broad traveling. I have been lead to believe the conformity of opinion is not an illusion of controlled internet access.
Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: zhr on April 25, 2008, 06:04:50 PM I wanna brainwash you????I just tell you my opinion???This is brainwash???You are here to say China is not good,Chinese government is not good, as a Chinese I can't say a word??I've said this is my own opinion,if you don't agree,we can discuss each other,But if you don't wanna discuss with me,you needn't reply this thread! With all due respect, you are the one that came here spouting insults on America and heavenly praise for Mao. People here are reacting to those comments.You can express your opinion,and I can't express my opinion????So this is your democracy in your country???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I finally got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No one here was spouting hatred towards China or Mao until you invited it. I insult on American?????????????Where can you know that?????????About Mao,I guess most Chinese has the same opinion with me.Speak it out so this is heavenly praise????????????? You wanna hear what????Mao is a monster or something????????????Sorry this is not our heart voice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: zhr on April 25, 2008, 06:20:01 PM Zhr, You take a better look of what I said. I never said "China not good" or "Chinese people not good" As I am living in a free world, I am entitled, I have a right to say whatever I feel like about my leaders, without being shot. Can you do that? Moreover, people in western societies feel that they have the duty to speak out their minds into political matters, otherwise we end up in a dictatorship form of government, like the Chinese one right now. You never said China is not good or Chinese is not good.Yes!But look your reply,you mean it,don't you????????????????? You've said your country is free.In my opinion,If the government really wanna do something they will do it no matter what the people want!!!For example,the Iraq War!!!!!!!!!Americans don't wanna the Iraq War,but why the US Army still in Iraq??????????? I'm here say something about our government and chairman mao maybe you don't wanna hear,but I think most Chinsese will have the same opinion with me. At first,I'm here ,just wanna let you know a true China and Chinese.Now I guess I was wrong at first time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and MR"mother fuckers"I just wanna tell you,you have freedom to say what you want to say,but you have the responsibility to you behavior and words!! Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: zhr on April 25, 2008, 06:32:38 PM From all of your reply,I guess I was wrong,I shouldn't come here to post a thread like that.Frist,I wanna talk about Tibet,then you talk about chairman mao,when I say something about chairman mao,I become a people who just know praise him.
all right! Sorry to waste your time to see my propaganda thread!!!!!!!! Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Dormouse on April 26, 2008, 04:53:57 AM From all of your reply,I guess I was wrong,I shouldn't come here to post a thread like that.Frist,I wanna talk about Tibet,then you talk about chairman mao,when I say something about chairman mao,I become a people who just know praise him. You are entirely correct. Asking westerners to support Chinese imperialism in Tibet will only draw venum. That's a waste of time.all right! Sorry to waste your time to see my propaganda thread!!!!!!!! And it is not anti-Chinese. Its simply anti-imperialism. Btw, you obviously haven't noticed that no western government has taken any kind of action against China over Tibet. Thus, you cannot say western nations are against China - they are quietly letting China rape Tibet. A few western protesters are making noise, but not much and no one is paying much attention. In other words, most western countries officially don't give a damn that China is raping Tibet right now. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: cauboi on April 26, 2008, 05:57:27 AM Zhr,
It seems that you cannot take any criticism about your country. I know that people in China cannot speak out for fear of repression, so they have to watch out their words and even the meaning of the words, as you pointed out to me. Not where I live, budd. As Dormouse said: I don't give a damn about Tibet political situation, I just don't like to see weak people being bullied by your kind of people (those people that go with the official communist propaganda agenda). Did you even think that you can throw out some party (The Olympic Games) and all the West will fall in love with China ? So, Comrade Zhr, what makes you say that you are the voice of the oppressed Chinese people? Because your father is a big boss in the Party, you think you are the messenger ? Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Ahkenaten on April 26, 2008, 08:23:17 AM Quote As Dormouse said: I don't give a damn about Tibet political situation, I just don't like to see weak people being bullied by your kind of people (those people that go with the official communist propaganda agenda). Yep. I think if Zhr came to find out what the problem everyone has with it, that pretty much sums it up. What we see is just another example of a big communist juggernaut swallowing up a tiny neighbor on whatever pretenses it wants to use. We've seen it a lot in the past century, and it would seem regardless of your politics or your home, most don't like it. Ahk Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Fredledingue on April 26, 2008, 09:14:05 AM Zhr,
If you are still there, please don't take our criticism at first degree. Nobody means to insult you or China. Mao maybe, but you anger shows how Mao is still an inattackable holly figure, a sort of half-god and a cult idol in China. Russians have had the courage to admit their past failure, the failure of communism and have pulled down the statues of Lenin and Stalin (and sold some of them on e-Bay, LOL). You, despite that your country has completely changed, you are still with your communist party, and the portrait of your chinese Stalin on Tien An Men square. All these orgies of red flags are a bit ridiculous in 2007 IMO, especialy since China is maybe the wildest capitalist place ever now, exactely the oposite of Karl Marx's ideal. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: zhr on April 26, 2008, 09:36:06 AM You are entirely correct. Asking westerners to support Chinese imperialism in Tibet will only draw venum. That's a waste of time. And it is not anti-Chinese. Its simply anti-imperialism. Btw, you obviously haven't noticed that no western government has taken any kind of action against China over Tibet. Thus, you cannot say western nations are against China - they are quietly letting China rape Tibet. A few western protesters are making noise, but not much and no one is paying much attention. In other words, most western countries officially don't give a damn that China is raping Tibet right now. [/quote] We rape Tibet??You know Tibetan has more policy than our Han Chinese?They needn't obey the family planning,they can go to school free,government protect their words and cultures,etc.We've been built a railway(The hardest railway in the world) to Tibet to accelerate their ecomic ,and communciate with our mainland more.Do you know these things??This is the things we can see by our government! Why all of you hate the CP???or hate our communsim???I just know my life become better and better,not rich but better.Yes,of course,I'll say "that our country are not good in this way or in that way,look the western cuntry,we should learn from them." But think about it,we have 1.3billion people.Our 1.3billion people need to eat every day.Our government can meet it,I guess even American can't say this is nothing for them.BTW,China is a big county but we have less plough and even we can't use a lot of places.Imagine,how hard it would be??Can you promise your country will do it better too?? I'm not here just to praise our government,You talked about Human rights,compare with western world,we really short at that.But You can denial all the things about our government.right? I don't wanna change your mind or something,If i am westerners,i will have the same opinion i guess.Because I think we've told different storeis on too many things and even we learned different storeis in our books! But I wanna use a Offical said,If you wanna take China as an enmy,we'll accept it,and be a "Reponsible" enmy. You said no action to aganist China??So why western media use the wrong pictures and tell wrong reports??Why a TV station will say an ambulance as a army car in Tibet???Why will 3 news cars beside the Tibetian roiters group and no one news car beside Chinese student abroad group when the torch in Paris???Why they just intervies the roiters and don't interview our Chinese students???Even interview,but they cut this on TV???Why??? What's your democracy and human rights???They just wanna report what they want,you think this is fair????????Do you know the things above???Do you see the video how the ritors hurt Han Chinese on roads in Tibet??Do you know a little girl are died in a burning a house(and her parents and a innocent Tibetan) by those people you always think kind???Do you know the things??? Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: zhr on April 26, 2008, 09:36:44 AM We rape Tibet??You know Tibetan has more policy than our Han Chinese?They needn't obey the family planning,they can go to school free,government protect their words and cultures,etc.We've been built a railway(The hardest railway in the world) to Tibet to accelerate their ecomic ,and communciate with our mainland more.Do you know these things??This is the things we can see by our government!
Why all of you hate the CP???or hate our communsim???I just know my life become better and better,not rich but better.Yes,of course,I'll say "that our country are not good in this way or in that way,look the western cuntry,we should learn from them." But think about it,we have 1.3billion people.Our 1.3billion people need to eat every day.Our government can meet it,I guess even American can't say this is nothing for them.BTW,China is a big county but we have less plough and even we can't use a lot of places.Imagine,how hard it would be??Can you promise your country will do it better too?? I'm not here just to praise our government,You talked about Human rights,compare with western world,we really short at that.But You can denial all the things about our government.right? I don't wanna change your mind or something,If i am westerners,i will have the same opinion i guess.Because I think we've told different storeis on too many things and even we learned different storeis in our books! But I wanna use a Offical said,If you wanna take China as an enmy,we'll accept it,and be a "Reponsible" enmy. You said no action to aganist China??So why western media use the wrong pictures and tell wrong reports??Why a TV station will say an ambulance as a army car in Tibet???Why will 3 news cars beside the Tibetian roiters group and no one news car beside Chinese student abroad group when the torch in Paris???Why they just intervies the roiters and don't interview our Chinese students???Even interview,but they cut this on TV???Why??? What's your democracy and human rights???They just wanna report what they want,you think this is fair????????Do you know the things above???Do you see the video how the ritors hurt Han Chinese on roads in Tibet??Do you know a little girl are died in a burning a house(and her parents and a innocent Tibetan) by those people you always think kind???Do you know the things??? Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Peisithanatos on April 26, 2008, 02:54:04 PM for it is written:
Code: a big communist juggernaut swallowing up a tiny neighbor on whatever pretenses it wants to use. ha, how reminiscent of some anarchistic nonsense trashed out by an East European radical in here. "Communist juggernaut" is a novelty (wtf cares what kind of juggernaut does the swallowing), but "swallowing up a tiny neighbor on whatever pretenses" is so nihilistic. Even if Tibet had been a part of China for three million years, that would be in no way relevant to the dispute. Only the wishes of the affected populace are. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Ahkenaten on April 26, 2008, 09:55:46 PM Yes I know Pistachios. The old '50's replay of "communist juggernaut" was a reflection of Western view, not actually the words I would use for my opinion. I was speaking of common perception and couldn't help putting in my own cynicism. Glad you couldn't pick up on it.
Did you come out of retirement just to attach yourself to my leg like a leech? A barnacle maybe? Ahk Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Peisithanatos on April 28, 2008, 08:46:31 AM Quote Did you come out of retirement just to attach yourself to my leg like a leech? no. I posted replies to other users than Yourselves. We debated annexing "tiny neighbor on whatever pretenses". I was with the tiny neighbours, and you were with the juggernauts. Then it changed once Tibet was brought in. make up your mind on when exactly swallowing tiny neighbors is acceptible, and when it is not. For me it never is. Irrespective of whether the juggernaut seems to be communist or strongly in favor of free market. Simple position. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Ahkenaten on April 28, 2008, 10:04:10 AM Quote We debated annexing "tiny neighbor on whatever pretenses". I was with the tiny neighbours, and you were with the juggernauts. Then it changed once Tibet was brought in. make up your mind on when exactly swallowing tiny neighbors is acceptible, and when it is not. For me it never is. Irrespective of whether the juggernaut seems to be communist or strongly in favor of free market. Simple position. No no no. No we're not. Please read carefully: "We" aren't debating anything. YOU need to argue at all costs, that's why when I just finished telling you I was being cynical and describing "general" Western view, which I don't necessarily agree with, (which means *I'm* not really "saying it"), you continue on like you've never heard a thing. So go ahead and keep babbling. Maybe you'll realize what "cynical" means and embarrass yourself or maybe you'll just not "get it" and continue to argue with yourself. If I had the time I'd take you by the hand and explain what cynical means or what "tongue-in-cheek" means but I don't. Quote I was with the tiny neighbours, and you were with the juggernauts. What tiny neighbors? Afghanistan and Pakistan? A religious cult vs the religion it bases itself on? The Israeli Palestinians? You'd be wrong for any number of reasons if it's any of those. The Israeli/Pal situation because I do believe Palestinians have right to territory and don't believe Israeli presence was initially justified beyond the call of one Empire or the previous. Afghanistan and Pakistan? I wouldn't have really considered to apply. Explain. Religious Cult vs the non-violent, non-brainwashing one? The one that was in the minority except for it's reliance on force intimidation, starvation and execution? Don't really see a China/Tibet metaphor there, sorry. Chechnya? I dunno. Help me out. Maybe if you stopped speaking in riddles and plainly address your concern in, like, plain but sufficiently verbose English? Instead of vague mumbling? Ahk Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Peisithanatos on April 29, 2008, 04:38:30 AM Quote What tiny neighbors? all peoples violently deprived of independence, violently ovetaken by foreign powers, violently denied self-determination (btw, Tibet is far from "tiny"). We've been through the list. Chechnya (u had special venom against her, i dunno why), Kurdistan (there really is a broad concensus against the Kurds), ...eh, Quebec. Wasn't it exactly about swallowing a neighbor?You made then a push into East Europe chiding the confusing multitude of little countries whereas a few big ones would be more manageable. Recall also what i said about deconstructing Afghanistan into more homogenous, more stable Pashtu and Uzbeck-Tajic parts. Pakistan with the oppression of Beluchis. Sri Lanka. Certainly Palestine. Quote Afghanistan and Pakistan? I wouldn't have really considered to apply. my long-awaited praise to you. Afghanistan has endured meddlings and intrusions from all neighbors, and not only neighbors. Paki and Arab meddling should stop. But the larger question is what Afghanistan really is. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: solvay on April 29, 2008, 06:05:31 AM Just Now I login the forum and find that the ban for me is cancelled and I can talk with everybody freely. Freedom Hooray!
I think I must tell all of you a truth that Tibet never is a country and it's a part of China from of old. Quote Tibet under jurisdiction since 13th century (Xinhua) Updated: 2008-04-29 14:00 A Tibetan scholar has refuted the allegation of the popular book "Tibet: A Political History" on the "independent status" of the autonomous region since ancient times, the flagship People's Daily newspaper reported on Tuesday. Basang Wangdu, International Association for Tibetan Studies (IATS) council member, said China's central government had exercised effective jurisdiction over Tibet since the 13th century, discrediting the de facto "Tibet independence" argument written by Tsepon W. D. Shakabpa, a visiting Yale University scholar and former Tibetan regional government official. Basang Wangdu, who also heads the ethnic studies institute of the Tibet Autonomous Regional Academy of Social Sciences, said the "Tibet independence" advocacy of the Dalai clique was largely based on the book that twisted and fabricated history, the newspaper said. In the Yuan Dynasty (1271-1368), Basang Wangdu said the central government mandated three regional leaders who administered Tibetan-populated areas in West China. In 1288, the Yuan regime formalized a ministry-level organ to administer the whole Tibetan region. Meanwhile, the Yuan central government registered Tibetan households, set up 27 post houses, and took the responsibility of nominating regional officials, Basang Wangdu said in the newspaper. The following Ming Dynasty (1368-1644) continued the jurisdiction over Tibet, featuring the acknowledged submission of the Tibetan regional regime to the central government, the central government's deployment of regional administrative and military organs, and the imperial conferring of the highest religious titles to monk leaders. After the Qing Imperial Court took control over China, an outstanding religious leader of the Gelug Sect (the Yellow Sect), Ngawang Lozang Gyatso, paid an official visit to the Qing capital, Beijing, and was conferred the Dalai Lama by the Qing emperor, the newspaper said. Since then, it has been ritualized that the Dalai Lama should be conferred by the central government. In addition, the Qing Imperial Court restructured the administrative arrangement of the Tibetan regional government and regulated the procedure to decide the Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama reincarnate, the newspaper said. After it was founded in 1911, the Republic of China government reaffirmed the central government's authority over Tibet. Tibet elected 20 delegates to the national congress in 1913. In 1927, the central government set up a special commission to oversee Tibetan affairs, which was followed by the Dalai Lama initiative to kick off his representative office in 1931 in Nanjing, then capital of the republic. The central government, as in the tradition, rectified the reincarnation of both the Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama, sent representatives to preside over the most sacred installation ceremonies of the new Dalai and Panchen. Basang Wangdu said the establishment of the People's Republic of China was welcomed by both religious and secular people in Tibet. On October 29, 1951, the People's Liberation Army arrived in Lhasa. The central government announced the organization of the Tibet Autonomous Regional Government in 1965. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Ahkenaten on April 29, 2008, 10:04:11 AM Quote Chechnya (u had special venom against her, i dunno why), Kurdistan (there really is a broad concensus against the Kurds), ...eh, Quebec. Chechnya...no I have no special venom towards her. That's your projection. I am under the impression (there is evidence of this historically) that not only are the muslims not in the majority, who, according to my info from a Chechnian as well as news favor inclusion in Russia, and that anytime the central government appears weak that's when the Chechnian muslim minority decides this is a good reason to start killing. At any rate I only ever addressed the internal conflict between the chechnian muslims and the rest. Then there's Kurdistan. Now somewhere along the line you got it in your head that I am against Kurdish independence. This is a mystery to me where you got that idea. Suffice to say when you got over-emotional about it one day "What will it take for you to have some fucking sympathy for these (Kurdish and Chechnian) people" ...it made me simply ignore you since I gave nothing to idicate that or give you that idea, and also since you seemed to only care about Chechnian desires if they are part of the Muslim minority. Either way Kurdistan has no connection. I have nothing against Kurdistan independence and I spoke only of Chechnian internal conflict. So there's no connection. Quebec? Violently subjected? Well we did have a short battle and somebody was going to loose. Maybe France should've given a shit. Maybe Quebec should get over themselves and realize they're not so much French as Norman....s'like English who speak French. The fact is we got into this "independence" argument not because of my insistence that everything is the same but rather yours. You see no possibility of people simply trying to grab power on the pretext of independence when in fact there's little reason at all for separation, let alone violence. Suffice to say, whenever a nobody politician wants recognition he starts banging the independence drum....only to cease the rhythm once he gets somewhere. Speaks to my point: the powergrab on the false pretense of independence. You are also woefully forgetting or uneducated to the history of the world -- not isolated conflicts but rather the ebb and flow of nation states coming together under empire when the needs are mutual, and once these smaller nations get power -- power and growth they only gained by being part of an empire --- then they desire to break up again. Once broken up into smaller states they waste no time in warring with each other until one becomes dominant and takes over many...becoming an empire and starting the whole cycle over again. In other words, contrary to what you believe, "independence for anyone who wants it" will not change a history of war over demarcated resources --- resources that get shared within an empire but are fought over when states are independent. So while one can point to wars being caused by a fight for independence one can also easily see that independence -- despite all it's romantic overtures -- does not lead to more peace and less war like you suppose. Quote my long-awaited praise to you. Afghanistan has endured meddlings and intrusions from all neighbors, and not only neighbors. Paki and Arab meddling should stop. Considering this has been my story unchanged since day one it's not the praise that was long awaited but rather your understanding and willingness to listen. Ahk Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: cauboi on April 29, 2008, 02:05:01 PM Peisi and Ahk
Guys, I don't mean to interrupt anything here, but did you notice that you 2 hijacked the thread with your little who's-pissing-higher contest ? It's none of my business anyway, just a remark. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Wiglaf on April 29, 2008, 05:06:07 PM Just Now I login the forum and find that the ban for me is cancelled and I can talk with everybody freely. Freedom Hooray! Because the official mouthpiece of the government says so. My you're credulous!I think I must tell all of you a truth that Tibet never is a country and it's a part of China from of old. Quote Tibet under jurisdiction since 13th century (Xinhua) Updated: 2008-04-29 14:00 A Tibetan scholar has refuted the allegation of the popular book "Tibet: A Political History" on the "independent status" of the autonomous region since ancient times, the flagship People's Daily newspaper reported on Tuesday. Basang Wangdu, International Association for Tibetan Studies (IATS) council member, said China's central government had exercised effective jurisdiction over Tibet since the 13th century, discrediting the de facto "Tibet independence" argument written by Tsepon W. D. Shakabpa, a visiting Yale University scholar and former Tibetan regional government official. Basang Wangdu, who also heads the ethnic studies institute of the Tibet Autonomous Regional Academy of Social Sciences, said the "Tibet independence" advocacy of the Dalai clique was largely based on the book that twisted and fabricated history, the newspaper said. In the Yuan Dynasty (1271-1368), Basang Wangdu said the central government mandated three regional leaders who administered Tibetan-populated areas in West China. In 1288, the Yuan regime formalized a ministry-level organ to administer the whole Tibetan region. Meanwhile, the Yuan central government registered Tibetan households, set up 27 post houses, and took the responsibility of nominating regional officials, Basang Wangdu said in the newspaper. The following Ming Dynasty (1368-1644) continued the jurisdiction over Tibet, featuring the acknowledged submission of the Tibetan regional regime to the central government, the central government's deployment of regional administrative and military organs, and the imperial conferring of the highest religious titles to monk leaders. After the Qing Imperial Court took control over China, an outstanding religious leader of the Gelug Sect (the Yellow Sect), Ngawang Lozang Gyatso, paid an official visit to the Qing capital, Beijing, and was conferred the Dalai Lama by the Qing emperor, the newspaper said. Since then, it has been ritualized that the Dalai Lama should be conferred by the central government. In addition, the Qing Imperial Court restructured the administrative arrangement of the Tibetan regional government and regulated the procedure to decide the Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama reincarnate, the newspaper said. After it was founded in 1911, the Republic of China government reaffirmed the central government's authority over Tibet. Tibet elected 20 delegates to the national congress in 1913. In 1927, the central government set up a special commission to oversee Tibetan affairs, which was followed by the Dalai Lama initiative to kick off his representative office in 1931 in Nanjing, then capital of the republic. The central government, as in the tradition, rectified the reincarnation of both the Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama, sent representatives to preside over the most sacred installation ceremonies of the new Dalai and Panchen. Basang Wangdu said the establishment of the People's Republic of China was welcomed by both religious and secular people in Tibet. On October 29, 1951, the People's Liberation Army arrived in Lhasa. The central government announced the organization of the Tibet Autonomous Regional Government in 1965. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: solvay on April 29, 2008, 09:33:55 PM Quote Because the official mouthpiece of the government says so. My you're credulous! I think you should examine your knowledge of history.You should shut up your mouth before you make sure what you say is right. How many times I have told the truth but you do not believe me and I also invite you who would like to find out a real Tibet of China and examine whether what I say is true or not. Truth is truth and never becomes falsehood meanwhile Falsehood is faslehood and never becomes truth. I don't want to say anything again.To trust it or not to trust it is your things and it's not my business.I just hope that everyone can hold the belief of justice and peace when they comment on anythings. Best wishes to everyone who loves peace and truth. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Wiglaf on April 29, 2008, 10:13:21 PM I think you should examine your knowledge of history.You should shut up your mouth before you make sure what you say is right. How many times I have told the truth but you do not believe me and I also invite you who would like to find out a real Tibet of China and examine whether what I say is true or not. Truth is truth and never becomes falsehood meanwhile Falsehood is faslehood and never becomes truth. I don't want to say anything again.To trust it or not to trust it is your things and it's not my business.I just hope that everyone can hold the believes of justice and peace when they comment on anythings. Best wishes to all of you who love peace and truth. I'd also question the use of the Yuan dynasty for proof of how Chinese Tibet became. The Yuan dynasty started out as a Mongol government, not a Chinese one and initially preferred Mongols, Turkic peoples and Tibetans in official posts rather than Chinese people. True they became more and more Chinese, but that hardly shows the cultural spread of China through the government when the government only gradually became Chinese itself. You're feeding me jingoistic BS which would persuade very few who aren't already Chinese nationalists. P.S. I too send best wishes to those who love peace and truth. Too bad too few of those people are in China's government Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: solvay on April 29, 2008, 11:03:52 PM P.S. I too send best wishes to those who love peace and truth. Too bad too few of those people are in China's government.
Quote You are wrong.The chinese people loves peace and truth from of old.You can read the history and investigate the modern China's government then you will find what I say is truth.Maybe you could fall in love with China and chinese people.Welcome you,sincerely! Quote That Local government obeys central government is undisputed.I am honoured to tell you if you don't know. The central government has been throwing himself into development of Tibet.To our delighted the Tibetan economy has gained great advancement and Tibetan are living better lives than the past. To learn more true history will help you form the right world view. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Wiglaf on April 30, 2008, 06:18:23 AM You are wrong.The chinese people loves peace and truth from of old.You can read the history and investigate the modern China's government then you will find what I say is truth.Maybe you could fall in love with China and chinese people.Welcome you,sincerely! What did the second part of the response even have to do with my post? As for the first, my knowledge of recent Chinese history is the reason for mistrust. Any government which can discard people as callously as it did and make only the most generic and insincere of apologies a generation later is hardly worthy of our trust.That Local government obeys central government is undisputed.I am honoured to tell you if you don't know. The central government has been throwing himself into development of Tibet.To our delighted the Tibetan economy has gained great advancement and Tibetan are living better lives than the past. To learn more true history will help you form the right world view. P.S. This talk about forming the right world view sounds creepy and totalitarian to me. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: zhr on April 30, 2008, 08:13:44 PM http://vhead.blog.sina.com.cn/player/outer_player.swf?auto=1&vid=12417440&uid=
This is a hot video on Chinese website.If you can watch it,Please think about it deeply.Thanks!! Stand up Chinese!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Biker Dude on April 30, 2008, 08:43:15 PM Please do not post the exact same thing in more than one place. Your good buddy the politcal operative on our site 'solvay' was suspended for a week for doing this. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: zhr on April 30, 2008, 08:59:37 PM Please do not post the exact same thing in more than one place. Your good buddy the politcal operative on our site 'solvay' was suspended for a week for doing this. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? I'm sorry. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Dormouse on May 01, 2008, 07:29:24 AM P.S. This talk about forming the right world view sounds creepy and totalitarian to me. That's because it is creepy and totalitarian.Brought to you by the creepiest totalitarian regime on the globe... (2nd only to N.Korea of course). Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Wiglaf on May 01, 2008, 04:55:36 PM P.S. This talk about forming the right world view sounds creepy and totalitarian to me. That's because it is creepy and totalitarian.Brought to you by the creepiest totalitarian regime on the globe... (2nd only to N.Korea of course). Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Factinista on May 06, 2008, 06:21:09 AM P.S. This talk about forming the right world view sounds creepy and totalitarian to me. That's because it is creepy and totalitarian.Brought to you by the creepiest totalitarian regime on the globe... (2nd only to N.Korea of course). false... North Korea is FAR worse than China ever was. Jesus people get your heads straight, China isn't a model democracy but it works far better than the imperialism that had ravaged it before Communism. If we are going to lecture Chinese about subversion of their own people then we should consider the subversion and terror the U.S. has unleashed as well. China is not the worst nation that we trade with... Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: cauboi on May 06, 2008, 05:02:13 PM China is not the worst nation that we trade with... [/quote] Yes it is. In the way that you better wake up and start seeing the real face of China: bowing thousands of times, talking sweet and honey, in the beginning, until you fell more comfortable with them. ...And then they perform coitus to your backside. ...all the way to the bank. If you don't believe me ask your father, or some older member of your family, who lost their job because manufacturing is cheaper in China. And not that the manufactured goods from China are of better quality than North American or European goods. Quite the opposite. Then, why the hell, would someone on their right mind want to give anything to some poor third world recipients if you will hurt yourself by doing that? Did we loose our self preservation instinct. Why do I care that China is an underdeveloped rats-hole, if my parents cannot afford to retire until well into their 70's ? We can be pretty slack with what we demand around here, but this was a little over the top cauboi -Biker Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: cauboi on May 06, 2008, 05:44:50 PM ...And then they perform coitus to your backside. We can be pretty slack with what we demand around here, but this was a little over the top cauboi -Biker ;D sorry... :laugh: couldn't help myself Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Biker Dude on May 06, 2008, 07:34:12 PM I understand. And dealing with the government wankers masquerading as 'normal people' or 'students' can be frustrating.
Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Wiglaf on May 06, 2008, 08:34:10 PM P.S. This talk about forming the right world view sounds creepy and totalitarian to me. That's because it is creepy and totalitarian.Brought to you by the creepiest totalitarian regime on the globe... (2nd only to N.Korea of course). false... North Korea is FAR worse than China ever was. Jesus people get your heads straight, China isn't a model democracy but it works far better than the imperialism that had ravaged it before Communism. If we are going to lecture Chinese about subversion of their own people then we should consider the subversion and terror the U.S. has unleashed as well. China is not the worst nation that we trade with... Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: canchin on May 07, 2008, 11:23:01 AM Quote I'd be the last to apologize for colonialism and I understand why many would prefer their own thugs to someone else's, but when, pray tell, did Europeans kill as many Chinese as the CCP's Cultural Revolution did? From about the early-1800's to the freeing of China from the imperialists by the Dean of Humanities from Beijing University. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Ahkenaten on May 07, 2008, 02:36:36 PM Of course you mean your own Emperor right? Of course you do.
Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Wiglaf on May 07, 2008, 03:10:38 PM Quote I'd be the last to apologize for colonialism and I understand why many would prefer their own thugs to someone else's, but when, pray tell, did Europeans kill as many Chinese as the CCP's Cultural Revolution did? From about the early-1800's to the freeing of China from the imperialists by the Dean of Humanities from Beijing University. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: renegadedog on May 07, 2008, 06:19:29 PM How about if it's okay for China to claim Tibet then is it okay for the US to claim Iraq? Mexico? I don't know why people compare Tibet with Iraq. In Tibet's case, China is trying to claim that a country has always been part of it, yet it hasn't (China, as the Chinese like to boast, has been around for 5000 years, and Tibet certainly hasn't been part of China for all of that). In Iraq's case, the USA invaded a country whose dictator had defied UN sanctions and broken the terms of the ceasefire. Had he not done so, the USA wouldn't have invaded. The USA is also not trying to claim that Iraq is part of the USA, nor that it has always been a part of the USA. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Biker Dude on May 07, 2008, 06:24:11 PM What is it with you guys lately? All of a sudden we get a whole bunch of Chinese posters, all of whom have IP's with the same street address in Beijing? What a coincidence!
Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: renegadedog on May 07, 2008, 06:25:01 PM My foreign teacher told me a lot of westerners still don't know China very much now.So please ask yourself with heart how many things you know about China??And are you sure all of the things are the truth?? I'll try think about it in your western ways!!! I have lived in China for nearly 5 years and know the place pretty well. I do think that the western media image is OTT. On the other hand, so is the Chinese portrayal of it as a 'beautiful, ancient, historic land'. Most of China is blighted by horrible, sprawling, grey, cities with no civic amenity or thought as to how they can be made nice places for the average person. One exception is where I live in Kaifaqu, Dalian. It's still not paradise (A lot of foreigners turn up here and hate it, because they have no idea how bad most other cities are) but it's reasonable. Why are Chinese cities like this? Because they are run in a dictatorial manner. Parks are bulldozed to make way for yet another horrid building that will fall down in 20 years anyway. People are routinely moved out of their homes. Anywhere that might look a bit more picturesque or interesting is soon deemed 'too old' and knocked down. It's this way of running things that make the cities into nightmares. Many Chinese cities resemble this book I had in primary school which warned of what would happen to western cities if we didn't look after the environment - grey skies ubiquitous, no green space, filthy air which you choke on, and so on. That's all down to the dictatorial government which prevents people objecting or demanding that things be developed in a way which gives everyone a decent living environment, rather than one which suits the property developers and party cadres, who can lock themselves away in their luxury compounds not thinking about the hellish nightmare most people live in. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: renegadedog on May 07, 2008, 06:33:34 PM e rape Tibet??You know Tibetan has more policy than our Han Chinese?They needn't obey the family planning,they can go to school free,government protect their words and cultures,etc.We've been built a railway(The hardest railway in the world) to Tibet to accelerate their ecomic ,and communciate with our mainland more.Do you know these things??This is the things we can see by our government! Why all of you hate the CP???or hate our communsim???I just know my life become better and better,not rich but better.Yes,of course,I'll say "that our country are not good in this way or in that way,look the western cuntry,we should learn from them." You do know that being occupied means that all the things that China has done in Tibet are simply not made up for. Many of your arguments could be made about the British in India (but the British never controlled the Indian people's religion - it is said that we couldn't give a damn what religion they were, as long as they made a good cup of tea). As to hating communism - in what way could China's government be described as 'communist'? There's no free healthcare, no free education, it's more capitalist than Britain is! But without any freedom of speech or right to protest on top of that. In many ways it resembles the kind of brutal regimes that America (wrongly) supported in order to combat communism (e.g. Pinochet's Chile or Soeharto's Indonesia) more than it resembles communism, whether we're talking a mere ideal, or actually existing communism like the USSR. Quote But think about it,we have 1.3billion people.Our 1.3billion people need to eat every day.Our government can meet it,I guess even American can't say this is nothing for them.BTW,China is a big county but we have less plough and even we can't use a lot of places.Imagine,how hard it would be??Can you promise your country will do it better too?? You are aware of how much of the USA is desert, right? Japan is more densely populated than China, with fewer natural resources. Is Japan poor? Quote You said no action to aganist China??So why western media use the wrong pictures and tell wrong reports??Why a TV station will say an ambulance as a army car in Tibet???Why will 3 news cars beside the Tibetian roiters group and no one news car beside Chinese student abroad group when the torch in Paris???Why they just intervies the roiters and don't interview our Chinese students???Even interview,but they cut this on TV???Why??? I understand these points, but when there is such an absence of information both within China and outside it, it's not surprising that the western media got their facts confused. One of my main gripes about China is the information thing. It's no shock that Chinese people like going on tours instead of going on holiday independently like people in most other countries. It's simply too difficult to just get up and travel round China independently. So they think that other countries are like that too. Quote What's your democracy and human rights???They just wanna report what they want,you think this is fair????????Do you know the things above???Do you see the video how the ritors hurt Han Chinese on roads in Tibet??Do you know a little girl are died in a burning a house(and her parents and a innocent Tibetan) by those people you always think kind???Do you know the things??? Yes, we know about the violence that happened in the riots. I think the point that people are making is that when, over the course of 50 years, you destroy a country's national religion, smash its monasteries (and nearly, scandalously, destroy what is arguably the world's most beautiful building, thank god they didn't), force its spiritual leader to live in another country, submit its women to forced sterilisation, torture people for possessing a picture of said spiritual leader, and move nomads off their ancestral land at gunpoint, at some point they are going to rise up in violence against their occupier. We make the same argument over Palestine so why shouldn't we over Tibet. Chinese people seem to think that merely building a few Nike shops in Lhasa and a railway, is going to make up for the above. It isn't. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: canchin on May 08, 2008, 12:20:23 AM renegadedog you are such a liar. You say you have been in China for a whole 5 years and you know the "place" pretty well...what bullshyte! What is it that possesses know nothing foreigners like yourself to spread western propaganda in support of terrorists? Is it just your angst at realizing you really don't know anything about China? You are really unbelievable! I just want, first, to interject in my debunking of your useless garbage about Tibet for a minute because you so graphically demonstrate that you also don't know dick about what the British did in India. Didn't care about controlling the religion of India you say? You really need to get an education and perhaps read a bit. A suggestion might be "Negationism and the Muslim Conquests" by Francois Gautier. The British attitude in India was to favor Indian Muslims and Sikhs against the Hindus. The British dictators paid no attention to the murder of Hindus by Muslims nor the destruction of Hindu temples by Muslims and they sided with the Muslims when they were about to be kicked out of India and caused a civil war that split the country and the British helped set up the Muslims in Pakistan. Didn't care? The not only cared, they were active in their support of the murder of Hindus by Muslims. Getting back to the topic: Tibet is not and never was a country. It was occupied for a time by the British, the Nazis thought it was a possible origin of the Aryan race - which they discovered it wasn't - but they didn't occupy that part of China. It really is too bad that you know so little about China and can't even speak or read the language proficiently enough to listen to the radio or watch TV. It has always amazed me the number of foreigners in China who, because the people in China dare to speak, read and write Chinese, criticize and insult simply because the foreigner is not "included" by having every newspaper, TV program and every radio program translated into English for them. You then, again, crayon in your usual racist propaganda gleaned from the usual anti-China sources as if it will somehow be viewed by anyone with the intellect above that of a rock and who knows the truth, as being anything more than simple garbage. You remind me of that moron that came to the CD a while ago spouting the writings of Tenzin Gyatso's cousin as if they were somehow factual. What idiocy!!! Ever been to Tibet renegadedog? Ever sat with real Tibetans and discussed with them their views on whether they want to return to slavery or continue moving toward the future? Ever read anything - even the translated into English - by a Tibetan that is not and was not part of the cult that the traitor and terrorist Tenzin Gyatso heads? Tenzin Gyatso left Tibet for American money. He was never the "spiritual" leader of Tibet - the Panchem Lama has always been the Spiritual Leader of Tibet, even before Tenzin Gyatso was spit out of his mother's womb. The recent riots in Tibet were not being orchestrated by Tibetan civilians. They were orchestrated by the terrorist organization headed by Tenzin Gyatso and funded by other terrorists, as well as of course, the CIA and the NED - all you need to do is check and the information is all over the place; along of course with the same lies you like to spread. I choose the truth, you choose the lies. You cite a lot of serious things - where's your supporting proof? All you have is garbage propaganda to spew to continue your insults against China, Chinese people and the Tibetan ethnic group. Tibet is a free region of China. It was freed from the horrible evil that existed pre-liberation. There is not one single Tibetan that wants a return to those times. They are happy that they have the right to an education - in the Tibetan ethnic group language. They are happy that they have the rights extended to all ethnic groups in China. They are happy that they can own businesses, travel, make money from their own efforts, worship or not worship a religion as they personally see fit. The Tibetan religion is protected for those that wish to practice that religion and those who do not want it are free from religious oppression. You are simply another in a long line of know nothing foreigners that feel China needs to change to suit you. Too bad for you though, China will not change just to suit you or any other racist. China will do what China does in the way and timeframe that China wants to do it; changing what China wishes to change and not changing what China does not wish to change. Gee. Must be hard on you living - if you truly are - in a country that you hate so much. Tell me, do you insult China so much directly with the Chinese people around you, or are you a coward that only spews vitriol on a forum? I mean, after all, the garbage you try and write is pretty nasty, surely you go down to the local bar and say these things, don't you? You use such lies with your Chinese acquaintances don't you? You are an anti-China racist and God knows why you are in China...if you truly are. It must be hell for you having to live in a place you hate so much around people you hate so much and of whom you have such a tiny bit of knowledge. Is there some reason you just don't return to Ol' Blighty so you can live in peace and quiet in your home country? Surely your hatred of China trumps your desire for money? Why not stop being a hypocrite and return to your home country? Or, of course, you could learn how to speak and read Chinese, travel around and actually learn something. After all, the crap you write on the CD and the even lower quality propaganda bull shyte you spread on this forum shows that you haven't got a clue about China as a nation or the Chinese people as a race. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: AUGUSTUSQ on May 08, 2008, 06:47:38 AM Hi, Welcome to the forum. Poeple from every countries are welcome here. Please,in the future do not open a new thread when a topic already exist. There is a topic on TIBET right here. I don't realy agree with you on Mao (and communisim in general). He was a disaster for China and for Tibet. Normal that Tibetians were not happy. How do you know something about Mao and Tibet? From your textbooks? That's why you think differently from Chinese. You should learn some Chinese language to help you be enlightened more. Your media are not good at China. I read a lot of articles in many websites of yours. Many articles about China is completely ignorant as you always are. You people think by imagining. That's not good. Do some fact-to-fact research as a good student. Since Yuan Dynasty (about 1000 years ago, founded by Mongolians), Tibet has been formaly a part of China as Terxas has been a part of the U. S. more than a century ago. But before 1959, there was no freedom for common people there. But now, you can go to Tibet for a pleasure trip, and find they live a very good life. China is not country for a single ethnic group, but a country for all the ethnic groups living in China. As a common Chinese citizen in Inner Mongolia, I can tell you the minority ethinic groups enjoy more favorable policies than Hans, the majority group. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Ahkenaten on May 08, 2008, 09:20:21 AM Quote from: Biker What is it with you guys lately? All of a sudden we get a whole bunch of Chinese posters, all of whom have IP's with the same street address in Beijing? What a coincidence! ^^ here's another one. Quote . Many articles about China is completely ignorant as you always are. You people think by imagining. That's not good. Do some fact-to-fact research as a good student. No. Every article I have posted has information that has been confirmed first hand by former Chinese now living far out of the Party's reach, so no: they are bang on correct. Is the article where China announced it will continue it's one-child policy incorrect? No it's not. Despite all the denials and contradictions by so-called "Regular Chinese people" here on this thread people are put in prison for critcizing their government -- which doesnt happen with the Patriot Act so it's not "the same thing". There is indeed a national firewall dispite all the denials, then admitals then denials again. And dispite "real Chinese posters" coming here to deny it the Chairman stood up himself and anounced to the world that they would continue to mandate how many children people can have. So dont tell us to do "fact finding" when you're going to sit there and bullshit us. Quote China is not country for a single ethnic group, but a country for all the ethnic groups living in China. no country on the face of the planet is a single ethnic group. Not a single one. What's your point? Maybe YOU GUYS should stop listening to your own propaganda about the Western World and educate yourself properly "as a good student". Ahk Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Biker Dude on May 08, 2008, 09:23:53 AM Truely bizarre. I wouldn't normally figure that little 'ole IAP was that important. I guess they are gonna pull out all the stops up to the Olympics. I wonder if maybe the are spending some of Free's 1.6 billion?
Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Ahkenaten on May 08, 2008, 10:02:18 AM Well no doubt that after all the money they've spent on the Olympics in order to try and improve their image and it turns out to highlight the opposite...well no wonder they're pissed. Whats a few more bucks on propaganda?
Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: fishbrain on May 08, 2008, 05:42:53 PM Truely bizarre. I wouldn't normally figure that little 'ole IAP was that important. I guess they are gonna pull out all the stops up to the Olympics. I wonder if maybe the are spending some of Free's 1.6 billion? You talk of freedom. Believe me there is more freedom in China than America. Tibet people are more free than ever have been in the before. You say brainwash, but U.S is brainwash one. Your puppet zion masters do the talking and controlling. your freedom is illusionary. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Wiglaf on May 08, 2008, 08:28:44 PM Truely bizarre. I wouldn't normally figure that little 'ole IAP was that important. I guess they are gonna pull out all the stops up to the Olympics. I wonder if maybe the are spending some of Free's 1.6 billion? You talk of freedom. Believe me there is more freedom in China than America. Tibet people are more free than ever have been in the before. You say brainwash, but U.S is brainwash one. Your puppet zion masters do the talking and controlling. your freedom is illusionary. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: fishbrain on May 08, 2008, 09:20:51 PM Zionist,masters eh? I wonder how they control my vote. :-\ They certainly couldn't control your nonexistent voting rights. :( We don't need your rotating dictatorship of business. PRC is best govermnet Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: AUGUSTUSQ on May 10, 2008, 02:00:01 AM Some said Yuan Dynasty is not part of Chinese history. Don't you think it's funny?
If you think Rome Empire is not part of European history, then you people do not have a history. Where are you all from? I tell you China is not only for Han ethnic group, but for all 56 ethnic groups in China. Chinese does not only refer to Hans but to all other ethnic groups in China. You people do not know China's geography and history, that may be understandable; but you do not have a logical thinking. Regretful. That means you have been badly educated. In Chinese history, there were many Dynasties founded by the ethnic groups. China is a land not only for Hans, but for all other ethinic groups as the U. S. should not only be the land for whites but for all races including Indians and blacks (but what did your government do to them in the history? Terrible if you know clearly). Your melting pot often means racial discrimination, but terriblly you people do not have time to solve these problems but have time to make problems in other countries. Maybe you think I am "from Chinese government" as you always avoid the fact that these voices are from the ordinary Chinese citizens. Do as you like since you have the freedom of free thinking. But I want to tell you not always to live by sleep. Dreams are not always helpful. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: mdma on May 10, 2008, 03:33:40 AM We don't need your rotating dictatorship of business. PRC is best govermnet Ah now i get it by Zionists he means "imperialists" ... Just one thing is illogical because of these imperialists or Zionists or whatever you may call them you have certain income because otherwise you would sell rise like 40 years ago. American "imperialists" made it possible for you to have any kind of education in which i doubt after reading your messy blabbing. Chinese supposed to be smart but you are not the case... Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Cune on May 10, 2008, 11:01:34 AM Oh I see sugar and spice mdma is here too.
How nice... Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: mdma on May 10, 2008, 11:12:41 AM Chinese population is rather dead from starvation or works for those American/Korean/European imperialists and have some food. So please have common sense not to piss off those who keep most of your nation alive. Go on now tell me about bad Americans and their European puppets overtaking China.
Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: fishbrain on May 10, 2008, 03:16:58 PM You are a racist liar. We don't need these western companies now. Now there are many Chinese companies too. I see you liars posting racist lies about chinese earn 800 rmb a month. That is a lie. most earn at least 3000 per month even in factory.
Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Biker Dude on May 10, 2008, 03:18:53 PM If it's a lie, it's a lie. But I don't think you understand the term racist.
Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: cauboi on May 10, 2008, 04:26:49 PM You are a racist liar. We don't need these western companies now. Now there are many Chinese companies too. I see you liars posting racist lies about chinese earn 800 rmb a month. That is a lie. most earn at least 3000 per month even in factory. Life is good in China. Bro, I envy you. That is what you want to hear? I have no problem with repeating that 1000 times to you. Doesn't cost me anything, just buy a few dollars, cheap, made in China, tape recorder and you can replay over and over until your brain is erased. This way is easier for your masters to reprogram you. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Cune on May 10, 2008, 08:59:12 PM Oh I think we can all see the term racist alive on well on this forum...
A bunch of wankers that only know how to accuse everyone of being under some kind of control. So, how about you monkeys enlighten us on where you come from and what experience you have from China that didn't come out of a cereal packet. Or you've got something to hide? Maybe you guys are little puppets of Tibet or Taiwan. Seems to me if I have the decency to explain who I am so should you. Or is it too nice and cosy in that little racist world you crawl around. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Biker Dude on May 10, 2008, 09:04:08 PM Oh I think we can all see the term racist alive on well on this forum... I don't think you understand the term 'racist' either. Dissagreeing with your point of view, or the official chinese government view does not make someone a racist. Just like the one fellow that called everything 'zionist'. I understand that english may not be your first language, but the terms you are using are inaccurate. ..... Or is it too nice and cosy in that little racist world you crawl around. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Cune on May 10, 2008, 09:11:24 PM Listen dipshit. I am Australian as I stated before and English is my first language.
Would you like my whole family tree. Yes, I know what racism is and the it fits you perfectly. A Chinese person comes on here with a point of view that's different to yours and your little bunch of racists jump straight on them claiming they are controlled by Beijing. Where's your apology for claiming we were all located in Beijing last night. Did you forget to wipe that egg of your face. You guys are not interested in debate because you are racist to the core. Look back at your original reply to my first post numb nuts. Is that someone that wants to discuss or a racist that thinks he knows everything. Racism is born from ignorance so it stands to reason you have a massive dose. You assumed I was Chinese and living in Beijing and you assumed wrong because you are racist scum. Now run along to your little white supremest meeting. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: fishbrain on May 10, 2008, 11:07:42 PM If it's a lie, it's a lie. But I don't think you understand the term racist. I understand. This site is a racist site. The things posted are all lies. I hope one day China smashes the west. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Cune on May 10, 2008, 11:28:15 PM Well it is mostly the most ignorant crap I have ever read.
However, you are Chinese so you have the frustration of language to deal with. Also, nothing is ALL lies. It is mostly lies but NOT ALL lies. ..and if you make a statement like "I hope one day China smashes the west" ..you are actually an enemy of China and an enemy of all people. If you wish to support China, speak the truth. Show their lack of knowledge for what it is. But do not encourage their racism and ignorance with stupid statements like that. You are Chinese and you know as I know that Chinese people are peaceful. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: fishbrain on May 10, 2008, 11:32:32 PM I mean to say with economics, not with war. i agree that we are peaceful, and have never invaded another country, unlike the warlike west. I mean to say that one day i hope that we are rich than europe and the usa and they have to come crawling to us for aid and help. how i shall to laugh.
Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Cune on May 10, 2008, 11:47:39 PM No...
What you mean is that you hope China is so strong one day that the west will no longer talk down to China like a condescending parent. Equal respect. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: zx128k on May 10, 2008, 11:49:38 PM This is so like China daily, textbook Internet brigades stuff lol.
Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Cune on May 11, 2008, 12:29:16 AM """ This is so like China daily, textbook Internet brigades stuff lol. """
Ohhh your classic little racist reply is it? So, you are doubting I'm Australian? Do you have the guts to say where you're from? Maybe not? Are you saying I'm an employee of the Chinese government operating out of Beijing? Is that your standard reply? Is it because you know NOTHING about China? Is it because you prefer to argue with Chinese people that have limited English? That way you can put them down with your racist remarks. Is that you? Figures... Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Cune on May 11, 2008, 12:39:14 AM Well come on zx128k and all you other Chinese brain surgeons.
I'm waiting to debate you. See if you can start things rolling without your usual racist statements. Explain to be who you are and your experience of China. The silence is deafening.. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: chairman on May 11, 2008, 12:46:23 AM The original author ( I think it was ZHR )........
was correct.......... but I noticed he was yelled own........ they do not have much freedom to speak here in the west do they........ ? not like in China.where we have freedom to speak.............. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Biker Dude on May 11, 2008, 06:18:56 AM Usually the first person to scream racism is the racist. This moron Cune fits the bill of classic projection. He doesn't bother to actually define the supposed racism he witnesses, but he simply bleats the accusation again. Weak minded fool.
Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Cune on May 11, 2008, 06:52:20 AM Is that right shit head,
I would have thought the term fool was well and truly in your super hero bag. You are a racist and so are most of the posters I can see here. I define racism as a feeling of superiority based upon race. Usually there is no reason such such feelings of superiority. That's why a racist is usually a total moron as well. ..and yes, our dip stick moderator fits the bill perfectly. His pathetic little side kicks are almost as dumb. What a wanker you are. But then with a handle like Biker Dude Super Hero, what should we expect. How long are you out of kindergarten moron. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: cauboi on May 11, 2008, 10:55:09 AM You are a racist and so are most of the posters I can see here. I define racism as a feeling of superiority based upon race. That is called snob, not racist. I could be snob with my own kind, with my brother or sister as well, that doesn't make me racist. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: cauboi on May 11, 2008, 11:01:38 AM Usually there is no reason such such feelings of superiority. That's why a racist is usually a total moron as well. That's false. There are racists all over the world, controlling everything from finances to world affairs. And you can be damn sure that they are not morons at all. Besides, I don't think you are a moron. ;) Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: cauboi on May 11, 2008, 11:50:17 AM How could a Chinese call someone racist?
Every 5th person on this planet is Chinese, so they cannot point to other races and call them names. If you do so, it means you are a racist! Or, maybe you want to be worshiped as super smart, great Gods? If you are one wise-guy then behave like one. Why would you care that a small guy calls you names? Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: Wiglaf on May 11, 2008, 10:14:33 PM Listen dipshit. I am Australian as I stated before and English is my first language. It is an excellent question why there is such unanimity in the Chinese posters. Frankly this racist diversion is just that.Would you like my whole family tree. Yes, I know what racism is and the it fits you perfectly. A Chinese person comes on here with a point of view that's different to yours and your little bunch of racists jump straight on them claiming they are controlled by Beijing. Where's your apology for claiming we were all located in Beijing last night. Did you forget to wipe that egg of your face. You guys are not interested in debate because you are racist to the core. Look back at your original reply to my first post numb nuts. Is that someone that wants to discuss or a racist that thinks he knows everything. Racism is born from ignorance so it stands to reason you have a massive dose. You assumed I was Chinese and living in Beijing and you assumed wrong because you are racist scum. Now run along to your little white supremest meeting. No... Why should we respect the government of a nation which requires the patronage of officials to ensure the survival of businesses? Why should we respect a government which fails to confront the brutal past of its governing party. This isn't reform, engagment, or democratization, it's whitewashing. What you mean is that you hope China is so strong one day that the west will no longer talk down to China like a condescending parent. Equal respect. The original author ( I think it was ZHR )........ Thanks for the comedy.was correct.......... but I noticed he was yelled own........ they do not have much freedom to speak here in the west do they........ ? not like in China.where we have freedom to speak.............. Title: Re: a chinese wanna say something about tibet Post by: pengy on May 11, 2008, 10:54:19 PM But it is confronting it, slowly but surely. If you try to turn round a liner out at sea, it takes about 20 miles just to start to turn around. (I'm no scientist, I forget the figures, but you get my drift). think of China like that. It is turning round, and the debate about the past is happening - you are now free, for instance, to discuss the Cultural Revolution, Great Le |