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Title: Syria and the nuke plant Post by: machioveli on April 25, 2008, 04:19:58 AM seems the anti-Israel posters don't want to talk about this one. Israel put them in their place with one strike and if only the US had the balls to do it to Iran and N. Korea 4 years ago we wouldn't be in this predicament today.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23599231-401,00.html I found myself laughing at this part of the story --The head of the IAEA Mohamed ElBaradei also hit out at the United States for withholding intelligence that Syria had been building a secret nuclear reactor with North Korea's help. Mr ElBaradei also criticised Israel for acting on the allegations and bombing the purported reactor in a raid last September without giving IAEA inspectors an opportunity to investigate.-- Title: Re: Syria and the nuke plant Post by: Masterkoki on April 25, 2008, 05:41:12 AM Well this is more of the same really... Probably the Syrians will say this was an nuclear facility for "Energy purposes". The US knows better so they send the Israelis to do their dirty work. It's just a variation of the same theme.
Title: Re: Syria and the nuke plant Post by: cauboi on April 25, 2008, 02:14:31 PM As much as I don't agree with Israel policy towards Palestinians, but you don't want to see Arabs equipped with nuclear bombs.
You have the Pakis and that's more than enough, cannot afford to let Ahmadinejewhater get that. Title: Re: Syria and the nuke plant Post by: realityman on April 25, 2008, 05:24:59 PM I found myself laughing at this part of the story --The head of the IAEA Mohamed ElBaradei also hit out at the United States for withholding intelligence that Syria had been building a secret nuclear reactor with North Korea's help. Mr ElBaradei also criticised Israel for acting on the allegations and bombing the purported reactor in a raid last September without giving IAEA inspectors an opportunity to investigate.-- I saw those stories too... very humorous... AS IF the IAEA, would actually do ANYTHING other discuss it...discuss it some more, and eventually... possibly issue some meaningless statement threatening some possible future action everyone knows they'll never follow through on. Meanwhile , Syria would have a nuclear facility built and operational.... and the UN would still be talking about it. What's also funny is to go back and read the typical anti-Israel conspiracy theories presented on this forum about the bombing... It just couldn't be a nuclear facility being built in Syria with North Korea's help... IT JUST HAS TO BE evil Israel on the war path...testing Syria... soon to be testing Iran...soon to be waging war against the peace loving Muslims... etc... lol From this forum after the bombing: http://www.itsallpolitics.com/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,26/topic,134.45/ Quote IAEA slams U.S. for withholding data on alleged Syrian nuclear reactor ....Promising a follow-up, the statement said the IAEA will treat this information with the seriousness it deserves and will investigate the veracity of the information, adding: "Syria has an obligation ... to report the planning and construction of any nuclear facility to the Agency." ... http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/978043.html Ahh yes... And we'll all be anxiously awaiting the swift and decisive action the IAEA would/will be sure to take... As they're doing such a great job with North Korea and Iran... lol ;D ;D Title: Re: Syria and the nuke plant Post by: machioveli on April 25, 2008, 06:55:14 PM A little over a week ago, Israeli warplanes entered Syria's air space and fired inside Syria. Syria said it will respond in due time. No official reason was given for the attack, but there were many "leaks", some saying they attacked a weapons shipment destined to Hizbullah, others say it was "suspected" nuclear shipment from North Korea.... Here is another version: Israel says deterrent ability recovered after Syria strike (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iPSxU5Nlch6Nzo-6RPwuhDbjZb1Q) Quote JERUSALEM (AFP) — Israel boasted on Sunday it has recovered its "deterrent capability" after an air strike in Syria triggered warnings of retaliation and intense media speculation over the aim of the operation. "The new situation affects the entire region, including Iran and Syria," military intelligence chief Amos Yadlin told parliament's powerful foreign affairs and defence committee, local media reported. In keeping with an official Israeli wall of silence on the event, Yadlin told lawmakers he would not address the incident directly, but his statements "alluded to the Israeli raid," public radio reported. He said Israel had now recovered its "deterrent capability" following the 2006 war against Lebanon's Hezbollah. () Tsahi Hanegbi, head of the Israeli foreign affairs and defence committee, earlier said the government has adopted a policy of silence over the incident to ease tensions, but was taking Syrian threats of retaliation seriously. "We have to show restraint and it is in our interest to say nothing... This policy has proven itself. The tensions have slightly eased since 12 days ago. The more we bite our tongue, the better it will go," he told public radio. He said the tensions with Syria were a direct result of the bloody war between Israel and the Shiite Muslim militia Hezbollah in Lebanon last year that was regarded by many in Israel as a failure. "The Syrians had the impression that we were in a state of weakness and they threw themselves into an unprecedented campaign of arms purchases," Hanegbi said. As soon as the war ended last year, I said Israel will seek a new conflict to restore its credibilty as the myth of the Israeli army was destroyed. It seems I was correct. I should call myself "Prophet" ;) Seriously, where is the outrage by the UN (where Syria has protested the incident), and would Syria be justified in leveling North Israel as a result of Israel crossing its borders? Within a year, two cross-border operations took place in the area. Interesting to see the reaction of the International community to both operations, eh? yes realityman thanks for the link to the post. These are the anti-Israeli jokers I was talking about. By the way I wonder why Syria and N. Korea has been so hush hush since the incident. Title: Re: Syria and the nuke plant Post by: Fredledingue on April 26, 2008, 11:49:59 AM If Iran has not been bombed yet as Syria was, it's because Iran is another peace of cake.
But Iran will be bombed if they don't stop. Period. It would also make sens, that Iran subcontracted some job in Syria but I have not read anything yet about that. Title: Re: Syria and the nuke plant Post by: Peisithanatos on April 26, 2008, 03:32:19 PM we all have our motives. Realityman just wants Israel be left alone (not in the sense of stopping the flow of US dollars and vetoes), Machioveli wishes to kick ass, no matter whose and why, it's just "us vs them", a need for conflict. Freddie desires entertainment, but also has "us (West) vs them (East)" attraction. What a thunderous deathsquad. Guys, hurry up, this might be your last chance to ignite a serious war. Sooner rather than later the power balance will no longer allow these sofa wars of distant killing.
A second Muslim nuclear country (after Pak) is a matter of time. It will happen; question only, at what price. Title: Re: Syria and the nuke plant Post by: Sayed Zakerya on May 25, 2008, 09:30:24 AM The tails regarding Syria plots of maintaining nuclear weapons shall remain questionable. Such a plot requires a lot of resources which Syria does not owe ( money, scientists, support by a major power ----).The danger threatening the middle east is the Israeli pocess of more than 200 Nuclear bombs. This threat is kept at low profile by Israel supporting powers. The fact that Israel triggered a nuclear assault offensive preparation in 1973 War is being hidden to promote condemnation by the world. Start with Israel nuclear weapons disarmament then others will stop nuclear weapons processing trials.
Title: Re: Syria and the nuke plant Post by: mdma on May 25, 2008, 10:24:25 AM .... and Santa gives presents to Jew boys and girls.
I owe one imaginary nuke to Palestinians and two to Saudis. Title: Re: Syria and the nuke plant Post by: neorealist on May 25, 2008, 03:47:48 PM seems the anti-Israel posters don't want to talk about this one. Israel put them in their place with one strike and if only the US had the balls to do it to Iran and N. Korea 4 years ago we wouldn't be in this predicament today. http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23599231-401,00.html I found myself laughing at this part of the story --The head of the IAEA Mohamed ElBaradei also hit out at the United States for withholding intelligence that Syria had been building a secret nuclear reactor with North Korea's help. Mr ElBaradei also criticised Israel for acting on the allegations and bombing the purported reactor in a raid last September without giving IAEA inspectors an opportunity to investigate.-- Syria isn't Iran...its not the same case. There is a reason why the Arab didn't talk about this action...It shows a lack of respect towards Syria and their deteriorating influence in the region. Title: Re: Syria and the nuke plant Post by: Peisithanatos on May 25, 2008, 10:18:24 PM Quote It shows a lack of respect towards Syria or possibly abundance of respect to Israel. Title: Re: Syria and the nuke plant Post by: mdma on May 26, 2008, 08:40:18 AM Quote It shows a lack of respect towards Syria or possibly abundance of respect to Israel. What would you suggest them to do? To wipe off Jews like you , Ukrainians did? That's why you admire Iran that much because they claim to do what your fathers done prior and during WWII. Title: Re: Syria and the nuke plant Post by: Peisithanatos on May 26, 2008, 12:27:57 PM Quote What would you suggest them to do? I suggest them to get Israel behind the Green Line. If need be, use oil as political weapon. Get oil price to $500 per barrel or $5000 (it's $110 already) and make clear that oil will go down only after Israel gets out. Quote To wipe off Jews like you , Ukrainians did? I don't advise anyone to imitate anything Ukrainian. Especially cuisine and driving habits. Quote That's why you admire Iran that much because they claim to do what your fathers done prior and during WWII. What if I were German? Would I have any moral right to be disturbed by the oppression of Palestinians? BTW, there are 50 000 Jews in Iran. No one "wiped them out" yet. But you can provoke pogroms by attacking Iran. Title: Re: Syria and the nuke plant Post by: neorealist on May 26, 2008, 04:33:28 PM Quote What would you suggest them to do? I suggest them to get Israel behind the Green Line. If need be, use oil as political weapon. Get oil price to $500 per barrel or $5000 (it's $110 already) and make clear that oil will go down only after Israel gets out. Quote To wipe off Jews like you , Ukrainians did? I don't advise anyone to imitate anything Ukrainian. Especially cuisine and driving habits. Quote That's why you admire Iran that much because they claim to do what your fathers done prior and during WWII. What if I were German? Would I have any moral right to be disturbed by the oppression of Palestinians? BTW, there are 50 000 Jews in Iran. No one "wiped them out" yet. But you can provoke pogroms by attacking Iran. How would you convince OPEC to crank the price up that high? you "might" be able to get Ven. and Iran on board (maybe) but thats it...you would see much much more war if oil gets that high. It would be cheaper to level a country off and occupy it then pay those prices. Title: Re: Syria and the nuke plant Post by: mdma on May 27, 2008, 11:05:15 AM I suggest them to get Israel behind the Green Line. If need be, use oil as political weapon. Get oil price to $500 per barrel or $5000 (it's $110 already) and make clear that oil will go down only after Israel gets out. If they wanted to have peace they would have done that already. Hate towards Israel and US are the only unifying things for Muslims. Otherwise they would behead each other. Like they done prior 50's of last century.I don't advise anyone to imitate anything Ukrainian. Especially cuisine and driving habits. then why do you defend Arab actions rather expressing your resolution to problem, like the one with oil? What if I were German? Would I have any moral right to be disturbed by the oppression of Palestinians? BTW, there are 50 000 Jews in Iran. No one "wiped them out" yet. But you can provoke pogroms by attacking Iran. Jews should live in Israel, like Ukrainian should live in Ukraine and not to occupy Native American's land. Those Jews who live in country whose leader claim to wipe off country of other Jews are no better than their leaders. The only special treatment i can think of when i think about Iranian Jews is a bomb with 'Star of David' on it. Title: Re: Syria and the nuke plant Post by: Fredledingue on May 28, 2008, 11:22:34 AM If Israel attacks Iran Why would Iran kill Iranians because they observe the hebraic religion?
No, there is only one solution to the problem: Iran stop uranium enrichement and no one attacks them. About Israel Iran has nothing to mess around with the Palestinian issue. Palestine and South Lebanon are not Iranian territories. Anything Iran does there is illegal and has no legitimacy. Title: Re: Syria and the nuke plant Post by: Peisithanatos on May 30, 2008, 08:21:39 AM Quote If they wanted to have peace they would have done that already. some have done that already. YOu have peace with Egypt and Jordan. Since you gave them back their territories. Try same thing with Syrian and Palestinians and Lebanese. Quote why do you defend Arab actions rather expressing your resolution to problem, i've offered a mini-road map already, the first steps are voluntary resettling of refugees in Arab states, Europe, Canada, with massive financial help from the international fund; Israeli withdrawal from the Golans in framework of a peace deal with international guarantees; I also suggested bilateral defense treaty between Israel and the US, a NATO-type pact where a unprovoked attack on one partner is considered an attack on all partners. These would be the first steps. Quote Jews should live in Israel, like Ukrainian should live in Ukraine and not to occupy Native American's land. and the Anglo-Saxons must live in Saxony (Germany) where they came from, and the Turkmen must go to Mongolia,..and Jews must go to where ever they came from to Canaan. Not forgetting that Jews are NOT native to the land they claim, eh? Basically, all humans must get back to Africa. Everyone back to Kenya, sneaky bastards. Quote The only special treatment i can think of when i think about Iranian Jews is a bomb with 'Star of David' on it. ok, that's antisemitic. Quote If Israel attacks Iran Why would Iran kill Iranians because they observe the hebraic religion? and why did the US arrest its own narrow-eyed citizens in 1942? It won't be "Iran" who kills. It'll be Iranians. Title: Re: Syria and the nuke plant Post by: mdma on May 30, 2008, 12:15:02 PM some have done that already. YOu have peace with Egypt and Jordan. Since you gave them back their territories. Try same thing with Syrian and Palestinians and Lebanese. This ain't peace what we have with any of Arabs. i've offered a mini-road map already, the first steps are voluntary resettling of refugees in Arab states, Europe, Canada, with massive financial help from the international fund; Israeli withdrawal from the Golans in framework of a peace deal with international guarantees; I also suggested bilateral defense treaty between Israel and the US, a NATO-type pact where a unprovoked attack on one partner is considered an attack on all partners. These would be the first steps. This is nowhere near what Arabs prepared to do and you are free to have negotiations chair since nobody wants that anymore. Not forgetting that Jews are NOT native to the land they claim, eh? Basically, all humans must get back to Africa. Everyone back to Kenya, sneaky bastards. With your historical facts like yours you should come back to Wonderland. What Africa? Who told you that first life came from Africa? Why Jews shouldn't claim Israel as homeland? They had it for few ages like Arabs, Turks, Romans and pretty everybody else. Arabs and Jews claim right to this land thus they fight and 'we got a winner'. Palestinians can fo. ok, that's antisemitic. No, this is humourTitle: Re: Syria and the nuke plant Post by: Fredledingue on June 02, 2008, 01:27:10 PM Syria to let in U.N. nuclear investigators: ElBaradei (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080602/wl_nm/syria_nuclear_iaea_dc;_ylt=An8my6Ua2legQSFtpECiwPVm.3QA) :angel:
Quote from: a senior diplomat familiar with the matter The trip was expected to include inspector visits to the remote al-Kabir site targeted by Israel and other places. (2-3 sites beyond al-Kabir were under scrutiny.) But they are likely to find no proof... 9 months the site has been cleared out and the radiactive dust Kärcher'ed away. :-\ Quote from: By William J. Broad and Mark Mazzetti Published on October 25, 2007, for the Herald Tribune New commercial satellite photos show that a Syrian site believed to have been attacked by Israel last month no longer bears any obvious traces of what some analysts said appeared to have been a partly built nuclear reactor. Two photos, taken Wednesday from space by rival companies, show the site near the Euphrates River to have been wiped clean since August, when imagery showed a tall square building there measuring about 150 feet on a side. ...But the images, federal and private analysts say, suggest that the Syrian authorities rushed to dismantle the facility after the strike, calling it a tacit admission of guilt. (http://img.iht.com/images/2007/10/26/weapons_550.jpg) Quote from: a senior intelligence official It's a magic act — here today, gone tomorrow, It doesn't lower suspicions; it raises them. This was not a long-term decommissioning of a building, which can take a year. It was speedy. It's incredible that they could have gone to that effort to make something go away. Title: Re: Syria and the nuke plant Post by: mdma on June 02, 2008, 08:34:28 PM Who cares. Israel bombed inside of Syria and all Arabs and Iran 'stfu-ed' this is what counts.
Title: Re: Syria and the nuke plant Post by: machioveli on June 05, 2008, 08:59:31 AM Syria to let in U.N. nuclear investigators: ElBaradei (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080602/wl_nm/syria_nuclear_iaea_dc;_ylt=An8my6Ua2legQSFtpECiwPVm.3QA) :angel: Quote from: a senior diplomat familiar with the matter The trip was expected to include inspector visits to the remote al-Kabir site targeted by Israel and other places. (2-3 sites beyond al-Kabir were under scrutiny.) But they are likely to find no proof... 9 months the site has been cleared out and the radiactive dust Kärcher'ed away. :-\ Quote from: By William J. Broad and Mark Mazzetti Published on October 25, 2007, for the Herald Tribune New commercial satellite photos show that a Syrian site believed to have been attacked by Israel last month no longer bears any obvious traces of what some analysts said appeared to have been a partly built nuclear reactor. Two photos, taken Wednesday from space by rival companies, show the site near the Euphrates River to have been wiped clean since August, when imagery showed a tall square building there measuring about 150 feet on a side. ...But the images, federal and private analysts say, suggest that the Syrian authorities rushed to dismantle the facility after the strike, calling it a tacit admission of guilt. (http://img.iht.com/images/2007/10/26/weapons_550.jpg) Quote from: a senior intelligence official It's a magic act — here today, gone tomorrow, It doesn't lower suspicions; it raises them. This was not a long-term decommissioning of a building, which can take a year. It was speedy. It's incredible that they could have gone to that effort to make something go away. they should interview N.Korea officials. Ask them why they were so upset when Israel bombed the site. Title: Re: Syria and the nuke plant Post by: Peisithanatos on June 05, 2008, 01:26:44 PM so the policy is that no Muslim nation around must have nukes. As the world changes and Uncle Sam loses vigour, how many countries will ISrael bomb to prevent regional nukization?
Title: Re: Syria and the nuke plant Post by: realityman on June 05, 2008, 03:53:45 PM ...the first steps are voluntary resettling of refugees in Arab states, Europe, Canada, with massive financial help from the international fund... GOOOOD plan.... Need I remind you of the PLO's history in Jordan and Lebanon... And well as Hamas' history with it's neighbors?? So which Arab states are anxious to have them?? And to which Arab (or non-Arab) states are the Palestinians anxious to go to?? Their current situation is due largely to the wars those Arab states wages, and their refusal to absorb those very refugees they created with their violence aimed at Israel's destruction... Quote , "Since 1948 we have been demanding the return of the refugees to their homes. But we ourselves are the ones who encouraged them to leave. Only a few months separated our call to them to leave and our appeal to the United Nations to resolve on their return." Haled al Azm, the Syrian Prime Minister in 1948-49 Quote The Arab refugees are being used as pawns' to create a terror breeding ground, as a form of aggression against Israel. The Arab refugee problem was caused by Arab aggression and not Israel. Why should Israel be responsible for their fate? No one (Arab or Jew) has a "right of return". Jews who fled Arab persecution from 1948 to 1956 should have no right of return to Arab lands, and Arabs who ran away in 1948 and 1967 should have no right of return either. This should end all argument. Yet the Jews accept this judgment, while the Arabs reject EVERYTHING. - Walid Shoebat/former PLO Terrorist Title: Re: Syria and the nuke plant Post by: Fredledingue on June 06, 2008, 12:51:33 PM so the policy is that no Muslim nation around must have nukes. As the world changes and Uncle Sam loses vigour, how many countries will ISrael bomb to prevent regional nukization? Every country which tries. And I support that. That's the only way to stop this MAD proliferation and an eventual nuclear war in the long term. That's the only way those who still believe they will become great as soon as they have nukes will understand. I hope Ayatolah Rhomeyni has understood now (as suggested in his last public speech).
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