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 President Barack Obama is seen here on stage with his Attorney General as neocons all across America could be heard crapping their collective pants.
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Anyone have any toilet paper?

An abulance chaser who made him money from suing doctors... yea umm he would never get confirmed.

Obama has one more hurdle to clear before doing his victory dance.

 I think you just sharted Bonzonite ;D

I sorta kinda think it will be fun to watch the process and how republicans will gridlock congress for 4 years to make sure Obama has nothing get through!! I always beleive less government is always the best government.

What is it in your neocon pinhead that makes you think the balance of power in the senate and house will remain as it is now Bonzonite? As Americans have come to realize how incompetent and wrong headed the GOP is and has been the shift will be dramatic. Obamas congress will be more progressive than any seen in recent memory. The Mississippi election where the GOP held the seat since 1994 wasn't even close. It was but a harbinger of  the congressional changes to come.
 http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/13/miss.election/index.html
 Here are more examples:
 http://topics.cnn.com/topics/louisiana
 http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-special-election.09mar09,1,6343464.story
 (I think you just sharted again)

Your point is well made but consider the TYPE of Democrat winning the seats.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VcPvKbrp_h4

Pro life
Pro gun
tax cutter

Still a Dem, none the less. America might well be ready to give the Dems the keys to the whole machine.

 Bonzonite; You ought to re examine the betting odds before you put up any more money against Barack. I wouldn't want to see you lose your shirt.
  http://www.willhill.com/iibs/en/buildcoupon.asp?couponchoice=PO407741

/yawn...

1. I am not a Neocon.
2. I am not in favor of Obama, Clinton or McCain.
3. You dont need aMajority to tie up congress... Dont you recall the dem FILABUSTERS during Bush's first 6 years?
4. Dont you recall them holding up judges?

Who ever is our president in 2009 does nto matter to me, as long as non of them try's to call themselves a conservative.

1. If you do not want to be identified as a neocon perhaps you shouldn't have taken your forum name directly from the PNAC statement of principals. I have never seen it anywhere else.

 2. For someone without a horse in this race you spend an awful lot of energy trying to trash Obama.
 3. At this point I am looking forward to the posibility of a filibuster proof congress...2/3 & 3/5.
 4. You mean like Harriet Miers?  ;D ;D Even the republicans were ready to filibuster her!

Personally I think Edwards is a mistake...

Obama should distance himself from him... but that's not happening.

Hell, some people are already calling him Obama's VP...

Edwards is a gift from heaven to McCain.

As will be Hillary once the primaries are over and she gets behind Obama.

Basically all the establishment Liberals are more help to McCain then to Obama. 

BTW - A reagnite to me is a person who voted for and thinks Reagan was a great president and si still one of the best men to ever lead our country.  Bush, McCain, Bush Sr, and many others could never hold a torch to reagan.

But did you take it from the PNAC Statement of Principals or not?

by being a small president? I thought you believed the smaller the government the better. So great leaders are those who avoid influencing events. Greatness is tantamount to invisibility. The lesser the impact you have on the country the greater the president you are. Because president is not a solution to the problem, - president IS the problem.

Why do you stick to the conservative trademark whereas you views seem pure Libertarian? You don't want government too deep in your pocket. But tolerate gay marriage, and possibly whole lot of other Sodomistic horrors. Quit brandishing conservatibe brand and join Libertarians.

Progressivism... progress is one of the worst words today in common culture. It lacks utility. Same as change. We could progress towards having a society where the currency was turnips. We could change the laws so that half of all people had the right to pick out the eyes of the other half. These things mean nothing. Stop using those words. The only people that fall for these broad, undefined notions are fools. Single issues and policies are what we need to debate about, and youre not doing it.

A mistake? How would that be?

 A little history lesson from Wiki' for the arrogantly ignorant and uninformed, like soulwrangler

Edwards is too easy of a target.

His $400 hair cut, his ambulance chaser mentality, the fact that he couldn't even carry his own state in 2004...

If Obama REALLY wants to be intresting, he'll pick a Republican. Hagel comes to mind, but I have to see if his voting record would be compatible.

Hagel would be an excellent pick, IMHO. Of course there has also been talk of McCain picking Lieberman. If both of those happened things would really be interesting! ;)

OswaldTheOsprey

Hold on, there.

1) He wasn't the top of the ticket in 2004. The top of the ticket was a Massachusetts Dem in a very red state, when Bush was still the Godking of Republicans.
2) "Ambulance chaser mentality" is an empty slogan, not a reason. You have to a) demonstrate said mentality and b) show that said mentality is known enough and effective enough as an anti-Edwards tool. Since that was not much of a factor in 2004, nor this year when he beat Hillary in Iowa, I think you are projecting your personal hatred of him on America.
3) A $400 hair cut? That's it. You really think that is enough fuel to fire the rage against Edwards? You got anything with legs?

Speculating about him being vice, is a waste of time. He won't do it.

VP no ... but AG? I believe he would jump at it, and I believe Obama will offer.
  What do you think Irwin??

freethinker, progressivism my ass. Those things you listed arent singularly good, and if you think so then youre a fool. Besides, progressivism is not only a contradictory statement but its also an ideology which harms people at least as much as it helps. The word too lacks utility and you know damn well that its as common a slogan as change. Now, I live in a "progressive" state, Massachusetts. Where I live is in a tourist community that by the progressive ideals is keeping a large segment of the population from being able to afford housing. This also decreases the amount of population that is available to start new businesses, and the younger lot here are spending here what would be a third as much anywhere else in the country (except in maybe california) on housing. And national parks, they should be privatized. Sure, put some regulations on them, but privatized none the less. People would go after them to make them parks, as theyd still be money making, plus they wouldnt be federally subsidized. Heres to your progressive ideals that are keeping young families from being able to afford a decent lifestyle, freethinker.

  Soulwrangler;
 You said that progressive was just a word  as though I made it up and used the term without "utility".  I took the time to teach you that it is, and has been, a strong political movement in the US for nearly a century. My  prediction of a more progressive congress is based on observations  that the political tide has turned back towards that populist movement. 
 I suspect that starting a business or buying a home would be difficult in any state right now due to the recession brought on by a so called "conservative" period in domestic leadership.
 If you are against, workers rights, social justice, anti trust legislation, environmentalism and the National Parks system that is your prerogative. Perhaps you would be happier living in a less progressive state than Massachusetts, although I can't think of one where you could be free from these deeply American principals and ideals...at least not in this country.

To be accurate, we not in a recession and have not been since March 2001, one full month after Bush took office.

Whose definition of "recession" are you using neue?

A definition is not up for debate...it is what it is...


We haven't even experienced one quarter of negative growth, let alone two.

 I do believe there is some debate amoung economists as to what constitutes a recession and that it is only a matter of time, at this point, until all are in agreement.
 What should it be called then when all average hardworking Americans are economicly strapped and Wall street remains relatively healthy?
 How would you feel if I refered to it as a depression?
 
 No time frame required in the definition of the word "depression".
 Semantics aside wouldn't you agree that the economy is in some deep do-do and shows no sign of improvement?
 

whats funny is we would need two full quarters of negative growth meaning 6 months... Bush is out of office in 7 months...

If Obama/Clinton wins its their recession, and either ones solution will be to RAISE taxes... heh

I absolutely agree the economy is in a down cycle. No question.

If Mr. Paulson is to be believe, he thinks the worst could be behind us. That remains to be seen.

http://money.excite.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_rt_top.jsp?news_id=ap-d90mrc580&


If we were to slip into a recession, it would be no more theirs than the one in March 2001, IMO. That is unfair to pin a recession on one and not another.

It's not ME you have to convince. It's the millions of people who are quickly swayed by small, undetailed issues like the ones I mentioned. I mean, look at what little Bush was running on in 2004...

"Stay the Course"

"Cut and Run"

"Look at me in this flight suit"

Sadly, it doesn't take much.


Personally, picking Lieberman would be a mistake.

The ticket would be a pair of old, white people... Just what the Republicans DON'T want going into a fight with a black guy. McCain has to pick a younger guy or they don't have a shot.

I figure Romney is at the top of whatever list they are making...

... who cares how much they hate eachother.

I wouldn't doubt Edwards would be the Attorny General and of course Hillary as his vice president. Those three together would definately re-unite the party. Personally I'd like to see a Obama/ Ron Paul ticket. Hey I can dream can't I?

Would be awesome.

Politically speaking, I think Edwards would be a good VP for him. Snag the female vote right back.

No kidding? Raising taxes is a given after the enormous debt this last administration has created not to mention weakning the dollar. I don't care if you had Ronald Reagan in office, he would have to raise taxes. Remember Bush Senior? He tried to be Ronald Reagan 2 and said "no new taxes". Guess what he had no choice but to raise them and it cost him re-election.

I'm dreaming with ya'...

... but they're just too incompatable on every major issue (abortion, foreign relations, health care, education, etc.).

But it would be neat.

And my point is you haven't demonstrated things like "ambulance chaser mentality" have any legs. Certainly it didn't in Iowa when he beat Hillary. It wasn't in any ads when he ran with Kerry. Bush got a DUI, was a drunk and very probably was a cokehead. None of those things kept him from office because they didn't stick. Just because a thing can be said, doesn't mean they are top in the mind of voters. What you point out with Edwards is pretty thin stuff to hang an attack campaign on.

The Republicans won't have to. They just have to say it.

Just like the Democrats will fevorishly attach McCain to Bush on EVERYTHING despite their relative differences... but people won't look into it enough to make an educated choice.


I agree, its flimsy and pathetic... but it doesn't mean it won't hurt.

Just wait till we start hearing from the Democrats how old McCain is.

You are so frustrating.

NO, THEY DO NOT JUST HAVE TO SAY IT.

They have to SELL it.

People have to BUY it.

The things you mentioned ARE NOT BEING BOUGHT.

Just like Bush's DUI, coke problems and slacking in the Coast Guard. It is not enough to SAY, you have to show that it will STICK. So far I see no evidence that what you mention will STICK.