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Hi everyone;

I want to know If there are some people that still think that there was Boieng plane that explosed and hit the Pentagone?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3x2li_911-pentagon-explosionno-plane_news

what do you mean "still think".

We've done this 1000 times. lets take you by the hand and do it again. Do not reply with anything but an answer to the following question:

How do you explain every piece of debris from the aircraft in question taken out of the building?

How do you explain DNA from every single passenger on the plane also taken out of the building?

All other accusations of a fake crash  disappear like smoke as soon as someone avoids that question. The actual aircraft is already seen on Pentagon security cams in MUCH better resolution than that blob of nothing called a video.

There is a simple test to find out if you're an intelligent thinking person: if you think no plane crashed into the Pentagon you're not one.

There is zero debate. There are no "unanswered questions" regarding whether or not a plane crashed into the pentagon. There is no issue and no question. All there is is a bunch of obstanent stubborn people who couldn't give a damn about logic or evidence and will continue to wax on and on about their imaginary "proof".

 All that plane wreakage, all those bodies could not have been faked. Period. End of story.



Ahk

I don't know but AP first reported that a booby trapped truck has caused the explosion, however Pentagone quickly denied this.

a 757 crashing at 480 miles per hour should have done lots more damage than it did. The video frames can easily be seen as evidence that a 757 did not hit the Pentagon

(http://www.rense.com/general20/NoPlane.jpg)

Yeah. That's what happens when you cut out the photo of the aircraft.


No it didn't. And even if it did, then where's the truck in the photo you just showed to show there's no plane?
Whats-a-matter? Don't wanna think about that?
Don't want to scrutinize your own evidence?
Don't want to examine your own logic?
Figures.

I ask the simple questions that you avoid again:

How do you explain every piece of debris from the aircraft in question taken out of the building?

How do you explain the bodies or the DNA from every single passenger on the plane also taken out of the building?


You've got a Gremlin intellect running in the indy 500 here. It's no wonder you don't know which way is up.

Ahk

Eye-witnesses...something else the theorists need to ignore in order to ram the square peg into the round hole:

Lets look at some eye witness testimony sticking only to people who saw a plane hit the building, and not look at people who saw an airliner, but didn't see an airplane hit the building because they looked away or were too far away (behind a hill, behind a building, etc) to see it actually hit the building.


"Aydan Kizildrgli, an English language student who is a native of Turkey, saw the jetliner bank slightly then strike a western wall of the huge five-sided building that is the headquarters of the nation's military. 'There was a big boom,' he said. 'Everybody was in shock. I turned around to the car behind me and yelled "Did you see that?" Nobody could believe it.'"
- "Bush Vows Retaliation for 'Evil Acts'." USA Today, 11 Sep 2001

"Frank Probst, an information management specialist for the Pentagon Renovation Program, left his office trailer near the Pentagon's south parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept. 11. Walking north beside Route 27, he suddenly saw a commercial airliner crest the hilltop Navy Annex. American Airlines Flight 77 reached him so fast and flew so low that Probst dropped to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine."
- "A Defiant Recovery." The Retired Officer Magazine, January 2002

"Omar Campo, a Salvadorean, was cutting the grass on the other side of the road when the plane flew over his head. 'It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane,' Mr Campo said. 'I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never imagine I would see anything like that here.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

"Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. 'There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

"Henry Ticknor, intern minister at the Unitarian Universalist Church of Arlington, Virginia, was driving to church that Tuesday morning when American Airlines Flight 77 came in fast and low over his car and struck the Pentagon. 'There was a puff of white smoke and then a huge billowing black cloud,' he said."
- "Hell on Earth." UU World, Jan/Feb 20

"We were the only people, we think, who saw it live," Dan Creed said. He and two colleagues from Oracle software were stopped in a car near the Naval Annex, next to the Pentagon, when they saw the plane dive down and level off. "It was no more than 30 feet off the ground, and it was screaming. It was just screaming. It was nothing more than a guided missile at that point," Creed said. "I can still see the plane. I can still see it right now. It's just the most frightening thing in the world, going full speed, going full throttle, its wheels up," - Ahwatukee Foothill News

Gary Bauer former Presidential candidate, "I looked at the woman sitting in the car next to me. She had this startled look on her face. We were all thinking the same thing. We looked out the front of our windows to try to see the plane, and it wasn�t until a few seconds later that we realized the jet was coming up behind us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon. The blast literally rocked all of our cars. It was an incredible moment." Massachusetts News

Sean Boger, Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief - "I just looked up and I saw the big nose and the wings of the aircraft coming right at us and I just watched it hit the building," Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief Sean Boger said. "It exploded. I fell to the ground and covered my head. I could actually hear the metal going through the building." dcmilitary.com November 16, 2001

"The only way you could tell that an aircraft was inside was that we saw pieces of the nose gear. The devastation was horrific. It was obvious that some of the victims we found had no time to react. The distance the firefighters had to travel down corridors to reach the fires was a problem. With only a good 25 minutes of air in their SCBA bottles, to save air they left off their face pieces as they walked and took in a lot of smoke," Captain Defina said. Captain Defina was the shift commander [of an aircraft rescue firefighters crew.] NFPA Journal November 1, 2001

That's just a small smattering of people who have gone on record as seeing the plane, and the plane hit the Pentagon. I could have included the dozens of people who saw the plane, but didn't see it hit (because it went behind a bridge, a hill, or some trees), but I choose only to post the ones that sounded the most valid and actually saw the plane hit the building. (I included the one firechief who states he saw some plane wreckage during firefighting/rescue attempts.) There are most likely twenty times more that either haven't been publicly recorded as seeing the crash, or simply don't want the attention. You can't honeslty sit there and deny the witnesses, the photographs, the facts, the science, and the reality that there was a terrorist attack on the Pentagon if you look at everything available and not one single tidbit of information at a time.


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1



Ahk

Ahk, you have the patience of a saint...

... or you're a masochist.

Not really. UT just knows my button in this case. He's trying to get me back for dumping another one of his, "Hey did you ever hear about the Jews?" threads.


Every time this starts up with whomever my eye starts twitching.
Ahk

... and the ultimate question is "So when the Jews come into picture ?"

Now, now, my Arab friend, no one question your knowledge in arming charges but small ones. how could you know what plane crash looks like? This ain't buss or terrorist belt. You have nothing to compare with. You don't have things like planes in your Binladenstan unless you call a plane to piece of trash Russians gave you right after WWII.

Applause to Ahk for obstinately giving lessons to the weak of mind.

I'm not a hero. I just like to bitch.




Ahk

Hey Assclown from the poor resolution in the pics it looks like the camera has a low Fps rate and cannot capture fast moving objects. Have you ever seen a robbery caught on tape? They barely can capture a human moving at less than 5mph. Man this was an easy one, I see this guy does not have half a brain to even think for himself.

What else you got?

For what it's worth, machioveli, you'd think the Pentagon would have better security. I mean, it's the headquarters of the US Military, not a 7-11 in Compton.

Right, they were expecting a 500mph plane to come crashing into the Pentagon so that is why the camera was installed there. Not to capture images as they "Stop" and pass through the gate.

  Same mentality.  Rush in, shoot everybody, trash the place and let somebody else pay for the damages.

So then the only camera the Pentagon has watching the premises is a 1fps dinger at the enterance?

Are you saying I could drive my Saturn Ion right up to the side of the source of US military information and be seen by ONE camera?

C'mon. This is the Pentagon. THE PENTAGON.

Am I agreeing with "The Patriot"? Absolutely not. I'm just saying I think there are legitimate questions that deserve to be asked, but people like the OP are too busy blaming the Jews or the NWO and keeping semi-rational debate from happening.

I just think it's odd that the US Pentagon is watched by a camera *I* could buy at Radio Shack.

Well except there's a human guard right there who's's going to radio you in. And then another gate. And then 100 or more marines.

Second off the 3 pics we're looking at have other pics in the same time frame that were ever-so cleverly excluded. You might not have known that, but thats the idea to those who posted it.

Third the cameras and blockades, gates and reinforced walls are supposed to prevent truck bombs, small artillery, shoulder fired missiles and rammings. Not a passenger liner hijacked and then flown straight into the wall, as Mach pointed out. We forget that before 9/11 there was no 9/11.  Intel chatter or not there was no conception that someone would or even could do something like this. After all it depends on a fair bit of luck, a lot of planning but most of all 'intelligent' people who are thoroughly committed to suicide. Just doesn't happen every day.

I know a lot of people who would shrug and not really think about it - pre-9/11.


Just sayin,
Abraxas

I know, and I'm not debating the scale of what happened... I'm just amazed that the only peice of surveillance equipment that captured anything (aside from radars, maybe) was a crappy camera at the front gate.

It just doesn't make sense to me.

I'm not promoting an agenda or villifying anyone... I'm just pointing out something that doesn't quite add up.

I drive past the pentagon's damaged side (still isn't completely fixed for some reason)...I know some people who were present there and 1 person who was driving on Highway 1 and says he saw the plane fly right into.  All credible people, and I'll take their word.

some of you konspiracy people are just too far out sometimes.

Wow! I don't know if I could sleep for seeing that.

I try not to look like one. It must be my adolescent angst.




P.S. I didn't know you lived in D.C.. I thought you were in Kansas too, for some reason...

Speaking of stuff like this whatever happened to FreeinTX? I kind of miss hearing a new conspiracy theory every day. ;D

Ahkanetan
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I ask the simple questions that you avoid again:

How do you explain every piece of debris from the aircraft in question taken out of the building?

How do you explain the bodies or the DNA from every single passenger on the plane also taken out of the building?
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Those are not questions for debate, you copy/paste the official account that we all know. nothing new

I don't confirm nor denying facts, I just ask, because most people in open polls still doubt on what is related by authorities- especially when we know that the White House has providing hundreds of lies before war.
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/169628/results
Why it should be debris of a aircraft and not other engine?

Why it should be DNA of passengers and not workers?

"Now word has reached us that federal investigators may have video footage of the deadly terrorist attack on the Pentagon.
A security camera atop a hotel close to the Pentagon may have captured dramatic footage of the hijacked Boeing 757 airliner as it slammed into the western wall of the Pentagon. Hotel employees sat watching the film in shock and horror several times before the FBI confiscated the video as part of its investigation.
It may be the only available video of the attack. The Pentagon has told broadcast news reporters that its security cameras did not capture the crash. The attack occurred close to the Pentagon's heliport, an area that normally would be under 24-hour security surveillance, including video monitoring." (B. Gertz, The Gertz File, 21 sept. 2001)



Where are the bodies?  Supposedly 100 Tons of steel and titanium alloy completely disintegrated, yet, government forensics teams claim to have identified 180+ bodies.  This is just on 'paper'.  No witnesses saw any bodies, no witnesses saw damage consistent with a 757 slamming onto the lawn and Pentagon
(http://www.911lies.org/images2/calculating_757_size_pentagon.jpg)

 CNN Reporter at pentagon:
"there does not appear to be any evidence that a jet-liner crashed here"

Official claim the jet disintegrated due to the heat. 12-ton titanium alloy engines, wings, fuselage, all gone.

In the aftermath, it was reported by media sources that a giant 100 ft. crater was plowed into the front lawn of the Pentagon as the result of a powerful airliner crash? Why does photographic evidence overwhelmingly show that this was absolutely not the case? Why no crater? Why no skid marks? Why no burn marks? Why was the entire world deliberately mislead?
http://www.911lies.org/full_size_911_pentagon_attack_damage5.html
How does a Boeing 757, constructed from lightweight aluminum, penetrate over 9 ft. of steel reinforced concrete with piercing clean round holes, and leave no evidence of itself?  A 757 Did this?
911 pentagon video explanation- Dave VonKleist
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcoPEGRXjo

No. It's not the "official account". It's the facts. The bodies were taken out and all the debris was in the building. Not an account...like your "account" of the Jews, but fact like gravity. I wanna hear you say it over and over again. It's not an "account" it is the facts. No two shits about it.


So what? I just gave you 20+ eyewitness accounts of the aircraft hitting the building and you cling to a reporter who wasn't there who in the heat of the moment claimed "does not appear". That is now null and void in light of the eye witnesses.


No. You are lying again. The engines were taken out. The seats were taken out. The landing gear was taken out. Not gone. Removed by a thousand regular joes like you and me...well like me. Like a child, no sooner is the question answered then you ask the same question again. It did not disintegrate into nothing. Tons of it were removed. Please get that through your head and quit asking the same question over and over again. It's been answered.


Now you're just babbbling:

Wrong. What was reported was obviously incorrect. Journalists in heat of the moment and lacking any other info do that.  The photographic evidence proves it is the case.



Because it hit the building not the ground.


There were burn marks everywhere. You said so yourself.


By what? How? The world was not mislead. That some reporters got on air and started spouting off incorrect details that hadn't been confirmed is pretty regular - happens all the time. The "world" was not "mislead".

As usual you have nothing but babble. I have the damage. The missing plane. The bodies. The wreckage and 20+ eye witnesses to the event. You have babble.


Again you lie, or, like a muttering crazy person you absolutely refuse to accept the tons of evidence showing the aircraft wreakage. There was the wreakage, the bodies, the damage and the eye witnesses and like an idiot you claim "..and leave no evidence of itself". That's just something you say, like a child saying "nuh-uh" over and over again. It did not leave "no evidence". In fact it left literally tons of evidence.

It is pointless trying to show evidence to a stubborn child that simply will not look at it rationally or logically and instead just comes back with already answered "why daddy" questions.



Ahk

This is my biggest problem with the Pentagon strike. If there is nothing to hide, then why not release ALL the video.

Some people claim that it would tip off possible enemies to camera locations, but in my opinion, that is a weak argument. Cameras can be moved.

Of course, maybe the reason the videos are not released is to encourage conspiracy theories. After all, if people spend a lot of time on this aspect on 911, then that is less time they have to spend on other aspects.

I am still puzzled by how few people seem interested in the airport videos that have not been released.

If there is nothing to hide, then why is the government hiding so much evidence?

But of course, much like the OKC bombing, the people are not really that interested in the truth. As long as blood is spilled in revenge, the masses are content in allowing others to tell them what to think.

Because with much more evidence than is needed to tell us what happened it's just a detail that isn't all that interesting. I don't need a video illustrating that when you have 2 apples and you add two apples you now have 4 apples. It would be good to see but I don't need it.


Welp, that's where fact ends and your opinion takes over.


What's really interesting is Abraxas wasn't addressing the releasing of video tapes at all.




Ahk

You don't need evidence?

Why?

Because you trust the US government to be totally honest with us?

That is pretty naive.

I dun't need no stinking evidence, nope, not me. I likes having the gubbermint tell me what to think. Yep, what good is evidence anyways when I can just let Uncle Sam tell me what to think. Thinking is too hard a work anyways, I likes having others tell me what to think. If you wuz a true American you would just let the gubbermint tell you what to think too.

As to Abraxas, what was he addressing? The poor quality of the only video stills that were released from the Pentagon?

How could this be addressed?

BY RELEASING ALL THE PENTAGON VIDEO. THAT'S HOW.

Jeesh.

Here we go again. Why is it you need to lie? We DO have evidence. Tons and tons of it. When you need to lie to argue it's transparent and childish.

It's hilarious that 100+ eyewitness statements, people who actually saw the jet crash into the pentagon, all the tons of wreckage and the bodies and you sit there telling us there's no evidence until they release the video. No that's called stupid. There is evidence. When will you finally either admit that like an adult? YOU'RE THE ONE WHO IS HOPELESSLY BRAINWASHED

Do you fucking understand? It's not "the government". It's thousands of witnesses who either saw the airplane hit the building or took the airplane and its passengers out of it. Do you get it?

Why must you continually post back proving how pathetically brainwashed you are? How inept at thinking you are? You're embarrassing yourself with statements like that.


You are a pathetic stubborn and lying child, an utter moron and a fucking idiot.

 It's NOT WHAT THE GOVERNMENT TELLS ME. THERE ARE 1000 EYE WITNESSES. NOT "THE GOVERNMENT". EYE-FUCKING-WITNESSES. DO YOU FUCKING GET IT?!

It's NOT WHAT THE GOVERNMENT TELLS ME. THERE ARE 1000 EYE WITNESSES. NOT "THE GOVERNMENT". EYE-FUCKING-WITNESSES. DO YOU FUCKING GET IT?!


It's NOT WHAT THE GOVERNMENT TELLS ME. THERE ARE 1000 EYE WITNESSES. NOT "THE GOVERNMENT". EYE-FUCKING-WITNESSES. DO YOU FUCKING GET IT?!

It's NOT WHAT THE GOVERNMENT TELLS ME. THERE ARE 1000 EYE WITNESSES. NOT "THE GOVERNMENT". EYE-FUCKING-WITNESSES. DO YOU FUCKING GET IT?!

It's NOT WHAT THE GOVERNMENT TELLS ME. THERE ARE 1000 EYE WITNESSES. NOT "THE GOVERNMENT". EYE-FUCKING-WITNESSES. DO YOU FUCKING GET IT?!


It's NOT WHAT THE GOVERNMENT TELLS ME. THERE ARE 1000 EYE WITNESSES. NOT "THE GOVERNMENT". EYE-FUCKING-WITNESSES. DO YOU FUCKING GET IT?!

Your broken record childish bullshit tying to paint me as someone who's "just believing whatever the government says" is just a childish jibb in light of the fact YOU KNOW YOU"RE FUCKING WRONG. It just illustrates what a complete crazy moron you really are.

 It's what THOUSANDS OF EYE WITNESSES SAID. Quit being a complete child and fucking admit it already.


Guess I'll have to post it again since you're too fucking stupid or childish to admit it. IS THIS THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT!? ->



I've fucking had it with you. Every single post you make from now on I'm going to follow you around with this cut and paste. I dont particularily care if you take off and leave for good. I hope you do. If you're not adult enough to admit when you're plainly and obviously wrong we can do better without you.




Ahk

haha...thats BBW's territory

I'm actually from IL and MI...I have been in AZ for the past year and will be return next week.  I only lived in DC for the summer.  I bounce around a lot :)

Actually, the security aspect is a valid criticism.

Are we that incompetent?

Airliners are flying into buildings over the course of an hour and we can't shoot one down.

Even one in a no fly zone over DC?

Lack of leadership. All it took was the order to shoot them down - which never came.

As for it not being a plane - my cousin, a Marine Major stationed in the Pentagon was there. He assures me it was a plane. He's a combat fighter pilot. He knows the difference between a plane and a missile.

I'll take his word.

Once an airliner turns off its transponder, it becomes infinitely more difficult. Nat Geo had a pretty good program on actual conditions in NORAD as the events unfolded.

We want to see the video....get over it.

What does that have to do with the back and forth between Pond, Untouchables and I? I put out witnesses and photographic evidence -- NOT THE "WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL VERSION" -- real witnesses you morons....which has nothing to do with the government and the mental midget comes back like a child on the school yard mimmicing, "Yeah duh just beweave whatever the gov't tells you. I dont need evidence I beweave the government . Blah blah blah"

so no. You fucking get over it. You wanna see the video? Fine but I cant believe the idiots around here who look at the all the debris and wreckage and all the debris and then say there's "no evidence". You dont believe the story fine but dont sit there and say tehre's "no evidence'. There's evidence. Those people obviously have no idea what evidence is. Then this Pond Sucking idiot comes along an tells me this bullshit about "follow whatever the governement says...blah blah blah". The Government doesnt enter into it you morons.


I mean work this logic:
Outta one side of your mouths you say never trust evidence that comes from "THE GOVERNMENT"....and THEN like the complete scatter-brained tards that you are, demand to see the video --WHICH IS JUST MORE "GOVERNMENT EVIDENCE" LOL!!....what a bunch of fucking hopeless losers. And then y'all call yer selves "Thinkers"...LOL!!!!!

Jeeziz. I mean I hate Bush too man and I don't trust the government to get wet in the rain but kryst almighty his world is fucked if these are the people who are going to grow up to be cops and lawyers and scientists and teachers and such. Talk about being proud to be ignorant.




So, no. YOU fucking get over it Retro.
Ahk

So, all you need is eyewitness statements?

In that case.........

What about the eyewitness statements concerning TWA 800?

What about the eyewitness statements concerning the initial explosion at the Murrah building in OKC?

What about the eyewitness statements of an explosion just before the first plane hit the WTC?

What about the eyewitness statements concerning the explosions right before the first tower collapsed?

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?

?

A. What about them tard? Is that what we're talking about? Already you gotta jump subjects.

B. Eye witness statements are only good for you when you want them to. You hear only the ones you figure speak to your pre-conceived. You can bring forward all those eye witness statements and they don't say anything really -- you still need to extrapolate. Meantime you ignore anyone who says, "I SAW THE PLANE FLY INTO THE PENTAGON". So just quit sitting there pretending you know what evidence is or care about it. Quit sitting there like a tard telling others they can't think when you refuse to. Quit telling us there's "no evidence of a jet liner flying into the pentagon" when this is by any stretch of the imagination completely false and untrue. There is plenty of evidence. That you need to put your hand s over your eyes and deny it like a complete fool is your own problem not reality's.

C. What good is a government video if you discount absolutely everything the government brings forward? Answer that. You'll just say it was CGI'ed.

D. Can you fucking admit you are not making sense with your BS about me "mindlessly ignoring evidence and only trusting the government" when what Im talking about is 1000+ people who are not possibly part of a conspiracy? The evidence I bring forward didnt come from the government. So you understand why you're being such an idiot with that childish crap right? Or are you still too much of an idiot to get it?


Pointless to reason with you. You are unable to think. You cannot reason your way out of a paper bag. You will not admit a the airliner hit the Pentagon because you're either a child or and idiot.



Ahk

Life is a conspiracy and everyone of us plays a part in it.

Ahk, man, your getting a little to worked up over this..  I admit, I believe a jet hit the Pentagon.  But, I would like to see all the video's that were confiscated, none the less.  A lot of Americans have questions about this and there is no reason to hold on to those video's.  What's it going to take?  A court order?  God's decree? What?  If for no other reason then to end all the debate once and for all...before you bust a vein, or something.

I understand why he gets upset.  The small minded mentally deficient that insist on the conspiracy theories must repeatedly ignore actual facts.  But they still do it.  And you can see them on this thread, they are like sheep, willing to believe anything except truth.    Not to mention we have done this repeatedly.  Time and time again.  Over and over.  Still the morons come crawling our from under their rocks with 'why daddy?', and 'what about daddy?' and 'what if daddy?' that fly in the face of evidence and logic and facts.  We even had one dipshit that claimed directed energy weapons caused the WTC damage, not planes, not even missiles! 

Morons will buy any story, as long as it fits their 'Bush did it' mantra. 

Yep that's fine Retro. I dont have a problem with that. You wanna see the video. I get it.  What I have a problem with is a moron (not you) who is looking at firefighters, police and regular people who are eye witnesses...who pulled 20+ tons of aircraft wreckage out of the pentagon, who pulled out all the bodies that were on that flight, and then sit there prancing around like a puppy with their arrogant, "I and anyone who's a real thinker",  crap to tell us theres "no evidence to support a plane crash".
I have a problem with people who don't even look at the evidence and demand more that they will only systematically dismiss later. And I have a real fucking problem with brain-dead, lsd-soaked hippy larvae trying to tell me after I've brought forward witnesses and all the plane wreckage and all the evidence that has nothing to do with the government and like a petulant idiotic child goes:


I mean what a complete nob. Trusting the government has nothing to do with it. It's not "the governments" evidence. You can't even trust this guy to understand what you're telling him. He doesn't listen to anyone who isn't running a 9/11 conspiracy .org site and he doesn't even listen to anyone else  long enough to make sense. If he were right in front of me I'd strangle the mouthy piece of shit.

Yeah Retro -- complete and utter stupidity beyond the pale and a pride in their own ignorance makes be "bust a vein". Why don't you admit he's a idiot too>?



Ahk

The real irony is that people with this mantra are not thinking for themselves.  Or at least if they are they are so stupid that they probably should not be allowed in public without supervision, just to make sure they remember to breathe in after breathing out. 

Blindly protecting the government ain't much better. What i'm 100% sure about is if US government is behind 9/11 then they could make sure that the real terrorist will land the plane without staging it as mentally unstable Muslim girl ( Untouchables ) claims.

Believe it or not but ppl in the charge are smarter than any of us by far which can result in some of conspiracy being true. Problem is to know what other reasons person may have "exposing" the truth expect conspiracy reasons. All of us know what reasons Untouchables has, while she dumb enough to continue.

If i was Bin Laden i wouldn't pay her for the lame service she does. Bad, bad, terrorist!

Please quote me where I said a plane didn't hit the pentagon.

Feel free to find any quote where I said such a thing.

I didn't say anything like that, but you  and others here, call me numerous names and attack me, just for asking that the government release evidence.

Typical.

What is worse than these outrageous attacks and lies about what I siad is the fact that you ignored all of my questions concerning eyewitnesses.

Here, let's do this.

I believe a plane hit the Pentagon. I am not 100% convinced it was the plane they claim it to be, but I am willing to admit it "might" have been flight 77.

So, what about all of the other questions I asked?
 
What about the eyewitness statements concerning TWA 800?

What about the eyewitness statements concerning the initial explosion at the Murrah building in OKC?

What about the eyewitness statements of an explosion just before the first plane hit the WTC?

What about the eyewitness statements concerning the explosions right before the first tower collapsed?

Yes, morons will buy any story, like a center fuel tank exploding on TWA 800.

Like an explosion from a truck bomb leaving a support column totally intact, while a support column behind the one left intact was totally destroyed. I guess the explosion went around the closer column to get to the column further away. Jeesh.

Yes, morons do not even question why the government refuses to release evidence and videos which could prove their story true and at the same time disprove the conspiracy theories.

Yes, there are a lot of morons here.

I thought Fox Mulder was cool.  Still do.  But sometimes, you just gotta give up.

Typical. Pond Scum needs to change the subject and hide to cover what a complete blithering tard he's been. How's about actually answering the questions you quote and pretend to answer? It's not about you claiming a plane didnt hit the pentagon.


Aww poor little victim. Fuck you Pond. Show me where I lied about anything you said once. Just because you now refuse to address what you said and now you want to accuse me of claiming you said something else. Your mind is so full of holes you don't know what's going on from one response to the next. The reason, Scum,  you're getting dumped on is I brought forward evidence that has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOVERNMENT and like a complete tard you go off on your childish mockery. Are you claiming now you didn't say this:


I gave you nothing but evidence mouth...


^^ So why not explain once and for all just what the fuck you're on about here?! ^^

My evidence had nothing to do with the government idiot, so why not explain this mouthy crap once and for all? Don't come back squirming with some crap about "quote where I said a plane didn't hit the pentaon". Address the spineless retarded crap response that started this. Please explain your arrogance in thinking you need to explain something to be about the government when my evidence has nothing to do with the government. Please tell me how that's me "trusting the US Government to be totally honest" when it's not the government's evidence? Please tell me why that's naive? Please tell me why you think you sound so cool with your "gubbermint " mockery when it's got nothing to do with the government.

Just like the slimly little child you are you have to come back with this non-sequitur:

Pfft. Idiot.


What a complete fucking brat you are. You really figure you've got the monopoly on "not trusting whatever the government says" don't you mouth? But what about all the evidence brought forward that has nothing to do with the government? Why are you such a tard that when people bring forward evidence that has nothing to do with the government you still have to rant this childish crap because you can't address the real evidence?

And I love this part:

I didnt lie about what you said -- you're the one lying. And what about all you "questions concerning eyewitnesses? You didnt make any. All you did is write out "what about..." and then a long list of nothing in point format. You didnt ask any direct questions at all about your eyewitnesses.


Not really questions are they? I didnt ignore them either liar. Naturally I answered, "what about them?"



Ahk

Unacceptable.



- Abraxas

Wow, my post is edited in minutes, yet I am ruthlessly attacked, called a fucking tard repeatedly by the forum administrator, among other things, but my reply is edited in minutes?

Jeesh.

This forum used to be decent.

Not anymore.

Ahk is a brainwashed moron.

How DARE I ASK THAT THE GOVERNMENT RELEASE THE VIDEO EVIDENCE THEY ARE SUPPRESSING CONCERNING A TERRORIST ATTACK ON US SOIL.

HOW DARE I.

PATHETIC.

Yes, very pathetic.

Please consider this a formal warning for what you posted.

Pond That's because your reply was simply

"#### my mother
#### my dog
#### my daughter"

and so on. Nothing else.


So go ahead and cry away. That's what you get when you run around here not listening to anyone and calling people sheep, brainwashed and stupid over and over again in the face of plain FACTS -- plain as gravity.

You jumped on me with your stupid "brainwashed accept anything the government says" crap in PLAIN VIEW OF THE FACT that NONE of the ESTABLISHED WELL KNOWN FACTS presented had ANYTHING to do with the government or the GOVERNMENT STORY.

That's your answer for everything Pond. As soon as someone presents something you can't argue you call them stupid and brainwashed and falling for the Governments account even though the government more often than not has nothing to do with it. So no this isn't about you "simply asking about the video" you shameless liar, its about you being an asshole.

Subsequently no one gives a shit Pond. Go ahead and leave just so long as you do it crying.


Ahk

Well I have had enough.

I would like to thank Abraxas, he has always been decent.

I would like to thank Retro and everyone else here who doesn't let the government tell them what to think.

To Ahk, Patton and Biker Dude, well, let's just say someday your views are going to change.

Later.

just go.

 If you were ever adult enough to listen to people instead of just calling them stupid every time you couldn't think of anything else to say it never would've gotten to this.

Contrary to what you think, some day you're going to grow up.