IAP Political Forum

I thought that Russia was only doing the "civilized" thing by taking the two ethnic enclaves under their wing just like the US did to Kosovo.  Not exactly right, but OK, Russia let's say your right and you get the enclaves.  Why are you bickering about this missle defense system?

1.  The missile defense system can only send about 10 interceptors max in order to thwart a few ballistic missiles.  Russia's nuclear stock pile is well over the hundreds.  I am sure that Russia is not crying about their still held strategic advantage. 

2. Why is Russia so mad that the US all of a sudden is going to help Poland put some heightened military defense on the Eastern front?  What was Russia planning on doing? If they stick to their
'annexation of Georgia's two enclaves" story then they don't have any reason to be mad. 

Maybe this just shows that Russia is eying the old USSR territories.   

Then answer other question why Poland and Czech Republic? If Iran and few other Middle Eastern countries are the possible target why not to use Italy, Greece or even Turkey?

This system does not treat Russia even if all Europe will have radars and anti missile defenses all around but the fact US sets large bases near Russian border is the worrying one for any Russian.

So who is the aggressor, Russia or US?

The U.S. isn't going to invade Russia.  After Russia's comments over this development, of course we now know what Russia's intentions are.

Everybody benefits from this and Russia should not be mad unless of course the US just "blew up their plans ."  Hell, like any chess game, Russia is just mad that once we had fallen into their trap, it wasn't checkmate because we had a rook up are sleeve.

Both are aggressors simply because any empire is an aggressor!
Vietnam and Iraq ... should i name less evident examples of US being an aggressor?

US not going to invade whom? You sound like a little kid with zero understatement in world politics and international relationships. US will invade anyone whom US government will decide they can and should.

lastly, I agree this is a chess game and so far US wins, including recent Georgian crisis.


Being US ally on this doesn't automatically make me blind for whats really going on.

I understand their response...we would likely respond similarly if Mexico put up a missile defense system in Russia's name.  Remember the fuss in Cuba during JFKs reign? 

Cuban issue was little bit different since Cubans got Soviet offensive missiles, Poland is Russian neighbor which recently became anti Russian same as Baltic, Ukraine and Georgia while US clearly means defense system against some Middle Eastern countries. I see no reason in the world why would Iran attack Poland but anyways.

is that because Germans name Poles the Pigs and Muslims feel religious solidarity?

A Russian General just threatened Poland with a nuclear strike......this should be taken serious with the current situation in Georgia. I have been following the Russia aggression for the last year, not only in Georgia, but also here at home as well with the fly over of Guam and Hawaii with bombers. You have to ask yourself can you really trust this country.

Russia is self made empire. They will either learn reality that their opinion doesn't matter that much unless you are Iran or Venezuela or else they will start confrontations with post Soviet republics and Poland expanding its borders like prior WWII. I'm not sure US is interested in Germany's role in this war though.

Russia is as much empire as  Ukraine or Georgia. No more, no less. Polish russophobe hysteria is the first sign for me that Poland is going to start  some sort of blitzkrieg. Just open any of their newspapers to make sure.

I hope you were intending comedy here, because it certainly doesn't match history or probable future events.

Hi, Talking Frog!

Lucky I understand Polish so as Russian unlike you who just speaks Russian and live inside of box created by your commander Putin during his 2nd term and exposed world wide at his 3rd term ( i mean now when he is in command and Medvedev does the secretary job ).

I watch news from both and yes Russian hate towards Poles is much higher than Polish towards Russians. Poles hate Russians in their hearts only while Russians express that on national TV every 3rd news report.

Well, currently, we can't even if we wanted to.  And wouldn't have to invade anybody if they played by our rules: capitalism and democracy.

The crisis was predicated upon offensive weapons, not defensive.  The current situation is a defensive maneuver. 

That fact that Russia made the statement that it would make Poland a much greater target because of this deal makes me uneasy.  Why would they say that unless they were sure they were going to do something conniving?  Me thinks that since the U.S. military is overstretched that Russia thinks it can do whatever it wants now.  The fact that they even think about this is what scares me.

Do you believe the missiles placed in the Poland and Czech are solely defensive?  I assure Raytheon's solutions can be tailored in any manner...in other words, defensive products and system solutions can not only be used in offensive capabilities and can also be controlled remotely. 

Gojira ,
1.defensive missiles been put near Russian border
2.large radar been put broadcasting right towards Russia

This is aggressive defensive maneuver otherwise it would be act of war.
like it or not but this is a clear military and political advantage if you miss the point read few articles on how army works.

I don't know.  The purpose of the patriots are designed solely to be stationary surface to airs, with some mobility when not armed.  I am not a weapons expert but I am sure that a particular missile like this would be completely different than say lining up Poland's borders with s2s. 

And what type of tactical advantage, in the realms of attack, do 1 and 2 offer?  That was mainly my question because, currently from what I know, that offer nothing in the ability for the U.S. or NATO to use in launching a full scale attack. 

Off course the defensive capabilities of the weapons and radar systems let the Eastern Front know what is coming their way from Russia, but that is solely a defensive purpose.  If Russia has no intention of invading another country, then they shouldn't be mad. 

Please prove to me how 1. patriots and 2. stationary radar can be used in an invasion?

fuck that ...
you are right there is nothing wrong about a country that not long ago was your worst enemy, supports your enemies and barricade all around you to set largest radar system and defensive missile block nearby.

common, mate ! don't be one of those Americans who point on Australia and name it Iraq

Is Russia just mad because they are sick and tired of America extending its powers beyond its borders?

Cry me a river...

Russia is still playing the old game where they think they are oh so important to the international community and then they pull a stunt like Georgia and don't expect consequences?  Typical. 

They might be interpreting the move in a fashion that is similar to Iraq...I'm not saying I believe that, but I can see how one could interpret it that way.

and RTN doesn't make the S2....we make the SM-2 for foreign countries.

Yes but it took the US to thwart an Invasion by Sadaam and ten years of useless sanctions and bickering before we made a move to go into Iraq. It took them 6 hours.

Near Russian borders, sir. You must be blind!



I'm not social worker to help you out why American bases in Eastern Europe piss Russia off.



Georgia and Russia have long term conflict with each other over that region. Georgia is supported by my and your country because we dislike Russia and countries Russia supports. Georgia done much more crimes during this war rather Russia. Georgia was ethnically cleansing rebels from Abhazia and Osetia who prefer to be Russians.

I dislike many things Russia does but American bases in Eastern Europe is too much.

So trust me or not but Iraq was much more friendlier country prior American attack on it than Georgia prior Russian attack. When we all know Russia ceased fire after 5 days and you still in Iraq trying to find democratically elected oil pipe.

I meant surface to surface, generally.  Sorry.   :D

s2s? I meant surface to surface, generally.  Sorry.   :D

Too much for who? Russia? All a country that has these bases has to do is tell us to leave just as Japan has and thats a fact. Why will they not kick us out? For one, Bases in Europe are the same as here, you close them so does the shops and economy around it. Second, they know the exact reason why the troops are there.....Russia. The presence of troops thwart any atttempt by Russia. Just as we have done in S. Korea. Despite how friendly you think Russia is, NATO was built exclusively for Russia. Why, because they still have the same ol Soviet Union mentality, just a different name. As for the "ethic cleansing" part you cry me a river. What I see is a country that wanted to crack down on criminals, yes criminals that Russia was protecting. S. Ossetia is not a country but a part of Geogia that Russia has troops in to cover its on ass, Georgia said enough and wanted to put an end to it. And for Mother Russia....you can't call yourself a peacekeeper if you supply one of the conflicting sides with weapons.