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Title: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: ryan77 on September 02, 2008, 09:55:25 AM Having not even been elected President yet, McCain has already began keeping his oft-repeated campaign promise to make famous those reponsible for wasteful earmarks for pet projects that waste American taxpayers money by making one of the biggest fans of earmarks and one of the wasters of taxpayers' money his own Vice-Presidential candidate.
Yep, he has certainly made Palin famous - a woman who has secured millions upon millions of dollars in earmarks for her po-dunk Alaskan town of 6,7000 despite only been in a office a couple of years as the following story in today's Washington Post outlines: Quote Palin's Small Alaska Town Secured Big Federal Funds ST. PAUL, Minn., Sept. 1 -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin employed a lobbying firm to secure almost $27 million in federal earmarks for a town of 6,700 residents while she was its mayor, according to an analysis by an independent government watchdog group. There was $500,000 for a youth shelter, $1.9 million for a transportation hub, $900,000 for sewer repairs, and $15 million for a rail project -- all intended to benefit Palin's town, Wasilla, located about 45 miles north of Anchorage. In introducing Palin as his running mate on Friday, Sen. John McCain cast her as a compatriot in his battle against wasteful federal spending. McCain, the Republican presidential candidate, hailed Palin as a politician "with an outstanding reputation for standing up to special interests and entrenched bureaucracies -- someone who has fought against corruption and the failed policies of the past, someone who's stopped government from wasting taxpayers' money." McCain's crusade against earmarks -- federal spending sought by members of Congress to benefit specific projects -- has been a hallmark of his campaign. He has said earmarks are wasteful and are often inserted into bills with little oversight, sometimes by a single powerful lawmaker. Palin has also railed against earmarks, touting her opposition to a $223 million bridge in the state as a prime credential for the vice presidential nomination. "As governor, I've stood up to the old politics-as-usual, to the special interests, to the lobbyists, the big oil companies, and the good-ol'-boy network," she said Friday. As mayor of Wasilla, however, Palin oversaw the hiring of Robertson, Monagle & Eastaugh, an Anchorage-based law firm with close ties to Alaska's most senior Republicans: Rep. Don Young and Sen. Ted Stevens, who was indicted in July on charges of accepting illegal gifts. The Wasilla account was handled by the former chief of staff to Stevens, Steven W. Silver, who is a partner in the firm. Palin was elected mayor of Wasilla in 1996 on a campaign theme of "a time for change." According to a review of congressional spending by Taxpayers for Common Sense, a nonpartisan watchdog group in Washington, Wasilla did not receive any federal earmarks in the first few years of Palin's tenure. Senate records show that Silver's firm began working for Palin in early 2000, just as federal money began flowing. In fiscal 2000, Wasilla received a $1 million earmark, tucked into a transportation appropriations bill, for a rail and bus project in the town. And in the winter of 2000, Palin appeared before congressional appropriations committees to seek earmarks, according to a report in the Anchorage Daily News. Palin and the Wasilla City Council increased Silver's fee from $24,000 to $36,000 a year by 2001, Senate records show. Soon after, the city benefited from additional earmarks: $500,000 for a mental health center, $500,000 for the purchase of federal land and $450,000 to rehabilitate an agricultural processing facility. Then there was the $15 million rail project, intended to connect Wasilla with the town of Girdwood, where Stevens has a house. The Washington trip is now an annual event for Wasilla officials. In fiscal year 2002, Wasilla took in $6.1 million in earmarks -- about $1,000 in federal money for every resident. By contrast, Boise, Idaho -- which has more than 190,000 residents -- received $6.9 million in earmarks in fiscal 2008. All told, Wasilla benefited from $26.9 million in earmarks in Palin's final four years in office. "She certainly wasn't shy about putting the old-boy network to use to bring home millions of dollars," said Steve Ellis, vice president of Taxpayers for Common Sense. "She's a little more savvy to the ways of Washington than she's let on." Silver, reached by phone at his Vienna home, declined to comment. Wasilla's town offices were closed Monday for the Labor Day holiday. Maria Comella, Palin's campaign spokeswoman, said Palin sought the Wasilla earmarks because she was "working in the best interests of Alaska, working within the confines of the current system." Palin became a staunch reform advocate after her 2003 appointment to the state's Oil and Gas Commission. She accused another commissioner -- Alaska Republican Party Chairman Randy Ruedrich -- of raising campaign contributions from industries he was regulating. "She realized that the environment around her was no longer what it once was, and elected officials were abusing their power," Comella said. Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee, used to secure earmarks for public nonprofits in Illinois, but he announced last year that he would no longer seek earmarks for any entity. Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (Del.), Obama's running mate, co-sponsored $85.6 million in earmarks for 2008, according to one study. The Palin earmarks came when Stevens was chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee and Young was a senior member of the House transportation committee. In hiring Silver, Wasilla found someone who was a member of each lawmaker's inner circle. Silver has donated at least $11,400 to Stevens's political committees and $10,000 to Young's reelection committee in the past decade, according to Federal Election Commission records. Sliver's firm employed Stevens's son, Ben Stevens, in the late 1990s as a federal lobbyist, according to multiple media accounts. Ben Stevens was not listed on lobbying disclosure forms as having worked on Wasilla earmarks. The firm became ensnared in the wide-ranging federal investigation of corruption by Alaska Republican officials. Federal agents reviewed records about its other municipal clients, as well as fishing companies represented by Robertson, Monagle & Eastaugh that were close to Ben Stevens. The investigation has increasingly focused on Veco, a now-defunct energy services company whose chief executive, Bill Allen Jr., pleaded guilty in May 2007 to bribing Alaska officials. Ted Stevens is awaiting trial on charges that he accepted more than $250,000 in unreported gifts from Allen. Ben Stevens, who has not been charged, has been identified in court documents as having accepted more than $240,000 in consulting payments in exchange for legislative favors while he served in the state Senate. A Veco executive testified last year in a criminal trial that Allen had ordered him to arrange annual fundraisers for Young. The congressman has not been charged with any crimes. After becoming governor, Palin became a critic of Young and the Stevenses. She endorsed Young's opponent in a Republican primary last week that is still too close to call, and last year she demanded Ben Stevens's resignation as Alaska's member of the Republican National Committee. She has also criticized Ted Stevens. In addition, Palin has reversed course on at least one major earmark: After initially supporting the $223 million bridge, which was to connect the town of Ketchikan with a remote island, she reversed course last year and canceled the project because of cost overruns. Critics have dubbed the project the "Bridge to Nowhere." But her administration remains eager for many other earmarks. In February, Palin's office sent Sen. Stevens a 70-page memo outlining almost $200 million worth of new funding requests for Alaska. Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: Patton on September 02, 2008, 01:34:27 PM In February, Palin's office sent Sen. Stevens a 70-page memo outlining almost $200 million worth of new funding requests for Alaska. Do you know the nature of these $200 million in earmarks? She is a Governer...if the state wants or needs something it's own sources of revenue cannot acquire...seems she is left requesting the funds from the Fed. So...I'm guessing Baracks $740 million in earmarks are just peachy? Senator Barack Obama on Thursday released a list of $740 million in earmarked spending requests that he had made over the last three years... NYTimes (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/14/us/politics/14campaign.html) Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: And Justice For All on September 02, 2008, 02:53:09 PM Ouch there goes McCains no earmark stradegy. He won't have anything left by November at this rate.
Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: gommi on September 02, 2008, 03:55:37 PM So...I'm guessing Baracks $740 million in earmarks are just peachy? Obama never campaigned on the promise of reducing wasteful government spending. In Palin's situation, she is being a hypocrite. Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: And Justice For All on September 02, 2008, 04:22:46 PM So is McCain for choosing a canidate who supports so many earmarks.
Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: illy on September 02, 2008, 06:29:03 PM Most of the projects drawing the funding sound like good uses of money.
IMO, earmarks, though they can be (and often are) wasteful have a connotation more negative than they deserve. They should be transparent, so people are aware of who's spending what, but I'm not for any political witch-hunts. My biggest problem with this is that the money should have been coming more (much more) from the state government than the federal government. I might think differently on the matter if AK government was poor, but it's not. This is a classic case of passing the buck (invoice) on. The AK government wants to pass the cost on to the rest of us, so that it can cut state taxes. It's just the federal treasury (read: federal debt) anyway, so who's counting? Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: Reaganite on September 02, 2008, 09:18:14 PM how much per resident was sent to washington by wasilla residents in taxes?
Also whats listed dont sound like Wasteful earmarks really.. and 26 million vs 700+ million is a big differance. Do you think the Obama campaign wants to take on this subject? Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: neorealist on September 03, 2008, 12:02:35 AM So...I'm guessing Baracks $740 million in earmarks are just peachy? Obama never campaigned on the promise of reducing wasteful government spending. In Palin's situation, she is being a hypocrite. c'mon gommi....they are all hypocrites. You don't reach that level of politics with out some degree of hypocrisy and backstabbing. Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: jpn of Seattle on September 03, 2008, 06:36:43 AM So is McCain for choosing a canidate who supports so many earmarks. Once again, it's the hypocrisy. In her introduction after being chosen by McCain, she chose to trumpet her valiant fight against government pork, using the "Bridge to Nowhere" as an example. But as we've seen, her "fight against pork" is not at all what she claimed it was. Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: Patton on September 03, 2008, 07:50:15 AM Theres always Baracks $740 million to boast about....and just what happened with the $110 million earmark Barack got for the University of Chicago and terrorist Bill Ayers again?
Annenberg Challenge or something like that? Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: ryan77 on September 03, 2008, 09:33:13 AM Theres always Baracks $740 million to boast about....and just what happened with the $110 million earmark Barack got for the University of Chicago and terrorist Bill Ayers again? Annenberg Challenge or something like that? Barack Obama has not, and is not, campaigning on the promise to eradicate earmarks. Duh - wake up. There's a slight difference. Secondly, the article not only points out the astounding hypocrisy of the McCain campaign, it also proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Palin.... 1. Is tits deep in with the "Good Ol' Boys" establishment of Washington she claims to fight against. 2. Is more than happy to piss away millions upon millions of American taxpayer dollars for pet projects that only benefit herself and the little po-dunk Alaskan town she's the mayor of while claiming to be a champion of fiscal conservativeness. 3. Is awash in corruption charges herself and political bedfellows with some of the most corrupt lobbyists & politicians in Alaska also awash in criminal corruption charges while claiming to be a "reformer" coming to change the ways of Washington. And I understand individuals like yourself get most of your political education from people like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh, but you should really check your facts before you spout off about something you heard on Conservative talk radio. Barack Obama was exactly 8 years old when Bill Ayers and the Weatherman were active. To suggest a connection between the two only shows the depth of your ignorance about the matter. Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: ryan77 on September 03, 2008, 09:39:03 AM In February, Palin's office sent Sen. Stevens a 70-page memo outlining almost $200 million worth of new funding requests for Alaska. Do you know the nature of these $200 million in earmarks? She is a Governer...if the state wants or needs something it's own sources of revenue cannot acquire...seems she is left requesting the funds from the Fed. So...I'm guessing Baracks $740 million in earmarks are just peachy? Senator Barack Obama on Thursday released a list of $740 million in earmarked spending requests that he had made over the last three years... NYTimes (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/14/us/politics/14campaign.html) But wait a minute! But wait a minute! Uh Uh Uh...Barack Obama does it too. Nu-uh - Barack Obama does it too. Mommy Mommy!!!! Typical 3-year-old Republican response. How about ditching the tu quoque arguments and trying, if you can, to defend John McCain's decision to select an grossly inexperienced champion of wasteful earmarks as his running mate while building his entire campaign around the principals of experience and elminating earmarks and other wasteful government spending. Give that a try, if possible. Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: Reaganite on September 03, 2008, 09:49:03 AM In February, Palin's office sent Sen. Stevens a 70-page memo outlining almost $200 million worth of new funding requests for Alaska. Do you know the nature of these $200 million in earmarks? She is a Governer...if the state wants or needs something it's own sources of revenue cannot acquire...seems she is left requesting the funds from the Fed. So...I'm guessing Baracks $740 million in earmarks are just peachy? Senator Barack Obama on Thursday released a list of $740 million in earmarked spending requests that he had made over the last three years... NYTimes (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/14/us/politics/14campaign.html) But wait a minute! But wait a minute! Uh Uh Uh...Barack Obama does it too. Nu-uh - Barack Obama does it too. Mommy Mommy!!!! Typical 3-year-old Republican response. How about ditching the tu quoque arguments and trying, if you can, to defend John McCain's decision to select an grossly inexperienced champion of wasteful earmarks as his running mate while building his entire campaign around the principals of experience and elminating earmarks and other wasteful government spending. Give that a try, if possible. As a MAYOR/GOVERNER (executive work) its her job to get money back from taxes the residents of each state sends to the feds. So you are against building a hospital? How is that wasteful spending? Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: ryan77 on September 03, 2008, 10:14:09 AM Quote She is a Governer...if the state wants or needs something it's own sources of revenue cannot acquire...seems she is left requesting the funds from the Fed. Oh yes, I'm sorry, I forgot it was a year or two ago she was the Mayor of her po-dunk Alaskan town. Now she is the governor of a po-dunk state with fewer residents living in the entire state than the single town of Kansas City, MO. And seems like you and Palin both could benefit from a short education on the difference between "wants" and "needs". $1 million of federal taxpayer money to build a public bus system in a town with only 6,000 people is a want, not a need. $15 million of federal taxpayer money to build a rail system connecting the town of Wasilla, AK (population = 6,700) where Palin works to the town of Girdwood, AK (population = 1,700) where Palin lives is MOST DEFINITELY a want and not a need. Quote As a MAYOR/GOVERNER (executive work) its her job to get money back from taxes the residents of each state sends to the feds. Well she has most certainly accomplished that. At nearly $30,000,000 in wasteful earmarks secured for a town with only 6,000 or so residents I would say she has gotten 100% of any and all of their money back from the finds and quite a bit of yours and mine as well. Quote So you are against building a hospital? How is that wasteful spending? You must be referring to the $500,000 she secured for a "Mental Health Center" for the residents of the huge metropolis of Wasilla, AK. First, I am not quite sure a mental health center and a Hospital are the same thing. Secondly, while I am sure the 5 or 6 residents living in Wasilla that are in need of mental health facilities appreciate the half-million dollar facility, I am not sure this is the best use of taxpayer dollars. Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: Patton on September 03, 2008, 10:25:18 AM Nice to see the highschool debate team showed up.
Still nipping away at the BOTTOM of the ticket? (Yawn)....OK then.... Barack Obama has not, and is not, campaigning on the promise to eradicate earmarks. So I guess he supports them...raising taxes and promoting pork like $740 million....that $11o million went where again? You never answered...... Quote Is more than happy to piss away millions upon millions of American taxpayer dollars for pet projects that only benefit (constituents) What politician doesn't? Obama? Biden? ::) Quote Barack Obama was exactly 8 years old when Bill Ayers and the Weatherman were active. To suggest a connection between the two only shows the depth of your ignorance about the matter. It's not me bub: Three days earlier, the New York Sun had reported some additional details: As an Illinois state senator in 2001, Mr. Obama accepted a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the group that bombed the U.S. Capitol and the Pentagon during the 1970s. Mr. Ayers wrote a memoir, "Fugitive Days," published in 2001, and on the day of the September 11 terrorist attacks, he was quoted by the New York Times as saying: "I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough." He and Mr. Obama served together on the nine-member board of the Woods Fund, a Chicago nonprofit, for three years beginning in 1999, and they have also appeared jointly on two academic panels, one in 1997 and another in 2001. Mr. Ayers, who was never convicted in the Weather Underground bombings, is now a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago. .............. Who else made the connection: Hillary Clinton wasn't buying Obama's attempt to dodge the implications of Obama's freindship with a terrorist. Here's what she added: SEN. CLINTON: Well, I think that is a fair general statement, but I also believe that Senator Obama served on a board with Mr. Ayers for a period of time, the Woods Foundation, which was a paid directorship position. And if I'm not mistaken, that relationship with Mr. Ayers on this board continued after 9/11 and after his reported comments, which were deeply hurtful to people in New York, and I would hope to every American, because they were published on 9/11 and he said that he was just sorry they hadn't done more. And what they did was set bombs and in some instances people died. So it is -- you know, I think it is, again, an issue that people will be asking about. And I have no doubt -- I know Senator Obama's a good man and I respect him greatly but I think that this is an issue that certainly the Republicans will be raising. ............ Since Hillary mentioned Ayers......How did Obama's real "executive experience" with the $110 million Obama/Ayers/UIC Annenberg Challenge work out? Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: Patton on September 03, 2008, 10:39:43 AM By saying "governor of a po-dunk state".....I guess Democrats are conceding the state?
Way to endear yourselves to an electorate. Which electorate you want to ostracize next? ::) Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: Reaganite on September 03, 2008, 10:47:59 AM By saying "governor of a po-dunk state".....I guess Democrats are conceding the state? Way to endear yourselves to an electorate. Which electorate you want to ostracize next? ::) They already did it with PA and OH... ohh and I believe FL (btw Obama needs atleast one of those three to have a chance in November. Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: ryan77 on September 03, 2008, 11:59:41 AM Quote So I guess he supports them...raising taxes and promoting pork like $740 million....that $11o million went where again? You never answered...... What, now I am suppossed to be proving your points for you??? You are the one who initiated the tu quoque fallacy of logic by suggesting - without evidence as usual - some sort of impropriety on Obama's part in an effort to distract me and others from the fact that you are unable to counter my sound argument of hypocrisy against McCain. Because of your inability to beat me in this debate, you are pathetically attempting to change the subject to Obama. But I am much smarter than to fall for such pathetic grade-school level tactics. In other words, I'm not taking your Red Herring bait. If you would like to start a seperate thread discussing this alleged improper allocation of $110 million on Obama's part - with supporting evidence if you have it - then by all means, do so and I will respond. Otherwise, try to stick to the subject at hand in thread. If you can (obviously you cannot). Quote What politician doesn't? Obama? Biden? ::) Surprise! Surprise! More tu quoque ad hominems. What don't you just say "McCain's rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off him and sticks to you!". I swear, a person could have a more intelligent conversation with a 6-year-old. Quote As an Illinois state senator in 2001, Mr. Obama accepted a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the group that bombed the U.S. Capitol and the Pentagon during the 1970s. Oh my God! Some guy, who was a member of some group 4 decades ago when Barack Obama was just a little kid, that had some members that set off some small meaningless bombs that didn't even injur, let alone kill, a single person, 40 years later contributed a whole two-hundred dollars to Obama's senate campaign in 2001! Now this is SCANDALOUS! Somebody call Fox News quick - we have a real story line here! Quote He and Mr. Obama served together on the nine-member board of the Woods Fund, a Chicago nonprofit, for three years beginning in 1999, and they have also appeared jointly on two academic panels, one in 1997 and another in 2001. Mr. Ayers, who was never convicted in the Weather Underground bombings, is now a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago. [/i] Oh wait, tell Fox News to hold the phone a minute, we have more here. They were on the same academic panel a really long time ago?!?!? This is unbelievable! They're practically gay lovers! Clearly, Obama and Ayers are extremely close and no question share indentical political views. No question about it. I mean, after all, they were on the same academic panel in the 1990's. What else more is there to say? No question Obama is a terrorist who supports other terrorists and terrorism as anyone else who was on that panel with Ayers. They should all be locked up! They obviously all love Ayers and support 100% every single one of Ayers' views and obviously Obama loves terrorists and supports terrorism. Thanks for clearing this up for us Patton. Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: jpn of Seattle on September 03, 2008, 01:46:29 PM This is too precious to not post. Here are three pundits, including the far-right Republican operatives Peggy Noonan and Mike Murphy, when they thought their microphones were not on (I added the emphases). And if you can't believe what you're reading, you can go to the link at the bottom and listen for yourselves:
Chuck Todd: Mike Murphy, lots of free advice, we'll see if Steve Schmidt and the boys were watching. We'll find out on your blackberry. Tonight voters will get their chance to hear from Sarah Palin and she will get the chance to show voters she's the right woman for the job Up next, one man who's already convinced and he'll us why Gov. Jon Huntsman. (cut away) Peggy Noonan: Yeah. Mike Murphy: You know, because I come out of the blue swing state governor world: Engler, Whitman, Tommy Thompson, Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush. I mean, these guys -- this is how you win a Texas race, just run it up. And it's not gonna work. And -- PN: It's over. MM: Still McCain can give a version of the Lieberman speech to do himself some good. CT: I also think the Palin pick is insulting to Kay Bailey Hutchinson, too. PN: Saw Kay this morning. CT: Yeah, she's never looked comfortable about this -- MM: They're all bummed out. CT: Yeah, I mean is she really the most qualified woman they could have turned to? PN: The most qualified? No! I think they went for this -- excuse me-- political bullshit about narratives -- CT: Yeah they went to a narrative. MM: I totally agree. PN: Every time the Republicans do that, because that's not where they live and it's not what they're good at, they blow it. MM: You know what' sreally the worst thing about it? The greatness of McCain is no cynicism, and this is cynical. CT: This is cynical, and as you called it, gimmicky. MM: Yeah. Cynical and gimmicky. I said that all along, but hey, don't ask me. Ask Peggy Noonan. Ask Mike Murphy. Two top GOP insiders and advisors. My favorite? Noonan: "It's over." Source: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/212920.php Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: Patton on September 03, 2008, 01:54:34 PM :D
You are the one who initiated the tu quoque fallacy of logic by suggesting - without evidence as usual - some sort of impropriety on Obama's part in an effort to distract me and others from the fact that you are unable to counter my sound argument of hypocrisy against McCain. Those who may read this might like the information....if they are intrested in Obama/Ayers/Annenberg challenge and the $110 million failure of Obama's executorship...they can Google it themselves and weigh the hypocrisy themselves....and they can decide on the "evidence" Quote Why don't you just say "McCain's rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off him and sticks to you!". I don't need to.....the Sun Times and Hillary are amply sufficient to point to Obama's questionable activities...all I need to do is mention it...again, those intrested can decide who's the "Most corrupt"...... Quote As an Illinois state senator in 2001, Mr. Obama accepted a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the group that bombed the U.S. Capitol and the Pentagon during the 1970s. Now this is SCANDALOUS! Somebody call Fox News quick - we have a real story line here! Ummm....Hillary released that...did she think it important? I'll let the voters decide. Quote Thanks for clearing this up for us Patton. No problem ;) Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: Reaganite on September 03, 2008, 02:47:28 PM This is too precious to not post. Here are three pundits, including the far-right Republican operatives Peggy Noonan and Mike Murphy, when they thought their microphones were not on (I added the emphases). And if you can't believe what you're reading, you can go to the link at the bottom and listen for yourselves: Chuck Todd: Mike Murphy, lots of free advice, we'll see if Steve Schmidt and the boys were watching. We'll find out on your blackberry. Tonight voters will get their chance to hear from Sarah Palin and she will get the chance to show voters she's the right woman for the job Up next, one man who's already convinced and he'll us why Gov. Jon Huntsman. (cut away) Peggy Noonan: Yeah. Mike Murphy: You know, because I come out of the blue swing state governor world: Engler, Whitman, Tommy Thompson, Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush. I mean, these guys -- this is how you win a Texas race, just run it up. And it's not gonna work. And -- PN: It's over. MM: Still McCain can give a version of the Lieberman speech to do himself some good. CT: I also think the Palin pick is insulting to Kay Bailey Hutchinson, too. PN: Saw Kay this morning. CT: Yeah, she's never looked comfortable about this -- MM: They're all bummed out. CT: Yeah, I mean is she really the most qualified woman they could have turned to? PN: The most qualified? No! I think they went for this -- excuse me-- political bullshit about narratives -- CT: Yeah they went to a narrative. MM: I totally agree. PN: Every time the Republicans do that, because that's not where they live and it's not what they're good at, they blow it. MM: You know what' sreally the worst thing about it? The greatness of McCain is no cynicism, and this is cynical. CT: This is cynical, and as you called it, gimmicky. MM: Yeah. Cynical and gimmicky. I said that all along, but hey, don't ask me. Ask Peggy Noonan. Ask Mike Murphy. Two top GOP insiders and advisors. My favorite? Noonan: "It's over." Source: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/212920.php I like Palin and I think most americans will like her, but lets hope its true and this is over, so we can start planning for 2010 and 2012. Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: Reaganite on September 03, 2008, 02:48:49 PM I like Palin and I think most americans will like her, but lets hope its true and this is over, so we can start planning for 2010 and 2012.
Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: ryan77 on September 04, 2008, 05:56:40 AM By saying "governor of a po-dunk state".....I guess Democrats are conceding the state? Way to endear yourselves to an electorate. Which electorate you want to ostracize next? ::) LOL! I'm sorry, but Alaska is most certainly a "po-dunk" state. When the total population of your entire state is much less than a single medium sized city, your state is irrelevant. Period. And yes, I will be happy to concede Alaska's 1/4 of 1 electoral vote or whatever it is you get for winning Alaska. Sadly, for being such an insignificant state, it turns out political criminals and political corruption like a state with 50 times its population so it's certainly not surprising the latest political crook to be puked out of that worthless ice box is Sarah "Troopergate" Palin who was for the $230 million Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it. Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: Patton on September 04, 2008, 06:45:03 AM Los Angeles has more people than Arkansas.....so what?
Wasn't an issue in 1992. What I ENJOY the most is ALL talk in comparisons with her are made toward the TOP of the Democrat ticket.....absolutely friggin hilarious...... She's right....Governer is kinda like a community organizer....only with REAL power ;D Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: Reaganite on September 04, 2008, 07:27:15 AM By saying "governor of a po-dunk state".....I guess Democrats are conceding the state? Way to endear yourselves to an electorate. Which electorate you want to ostracize next? ::) LOL! I'm sorry, but Alaska is most certainly a "po-dunk" state. When the total population of your entire state is much less than a single medium sized city, your state is irrelevant. Period. And yes, I will be happy to concede Alaska's 1/4 of 1 electoral vote or whatever it is you get for winning Alaska. Sadly, for being such an insignificant state, it turns out political criminals and political corruption like a state with 50 times its population so it's certainly not surprising the latest political crook to be puked out of that worthless ice box is Sarah "Troopergate" Palin who was for the $230 million Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it. I find it funny that you never hesitate to rattle of the dem talking points each day. You must get the same emails I get from the DNC :) Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: jpn of Seattle on September 06, 2008, 08:45:40 AM I like Palin and I think most americans will like her, but lets hope its true and this is over, so we can start planning for 2010 and 2012. Because she can read a sacastic, mocking speech? Because she's physically attractive? Or because she's a religious fanatic? Because she fired a librarian for not banning books she didn't approve of? Because she is a liar and obstructor of justice? Because she wants religion taught in science classes? Yes, no doubt there are Americans out there who will like her for those reasons. Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: Patton on September 06, 2008, 03:30:14 PM Back at the ranch:
Obama and Biden Don't Measure Up to McCain on Spending and Taxes WASHINGTON--(Business Wire)-- The Council for Citizens Against Government Waste Political Action Committee (CCAGWPAC) today compared the abysmal voting records of Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama and Vice Presidential nominee Joe Biden to presumptive Republican nominee John McCain from the Council for Citizens Against Government Waste's 2007 Congressional Ratings. "The 2007 Congressional Ratings show that the Democratic nominees for President and Vice-President would spend and tax far more than John McCain," said CCAGWPAC Chairman Tom Schatz. "Throughout their careers in the Senate, the two Democrats have demonstrated little regard for the harmful effect a large and cumbersome federal government has on taxpayers' wallets. Voters should take into consideration both their low ratings and their numerous earmarks." -- Sen. Obama's 2007 rating was 10 percent, making his lifetime score 18 percent. The 2008 Congressional Pig Book contained 53 earmarks worth $97.4 million for Sen. Obama, including $1,648,850 for the Shedd Aquarium. -- Sen. Biden received the worst possible rating in 2007 with 0 percent, while his lifetime rating is 22 percent. According to the Pig Book, Sen. Biden had 70 earmarks for a total of $119.7 million in fiscal year 2008, including $246,100 for the Grand Opera House in Wilmington. -- Sen. McCain has a lifetime rating of 88, has never requested nor received a single earmark, and has pledged to veto any spending bill that contains any earmarks. "The key word in the election is 'change,' but the Obama-Biden ticket only offers more of Washington's wasteful ways," said Schatz. "John McCain has a history of putting the interests of taxpayers ahead of politics by consistently voting to cut wasteful spending, reduce the tax burden, and make government more accountable to taxpayers. On Election Day, Senators Obama and Biden should be returned to their day jobs and Sen. McCain should be sent to the White House." CCAGWPAC is affiliated with the Council for Citizens Against Government Waste, a 501(c)(4) organization. CCAGWPAC's mission is to support political candidates who will fight to eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse in government and represent the best interests of taxpayers. Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS214423+28-Aug-2008+BW20080828) Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: gommi on September 06, 2008, 06:02:07 PM Quote The 2007 Congressional Ratings show that the Democratic nominees The American people will benefit far more from wealth redistribution than continued government neglect. The state should respond to citizen's needs; a concept that McCain has displayed no interest in. for President and Vice-President would spend and tax far more than John McCain," said CCAGWPAC Chairman Tom Schatz. Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: ryan77 on September 06, 2008, 10:21:22 PM Back at the ranch: Obama and Biden Don't Measure Up to McCain on Spending and Taxes WASHINGTON--(Business Wire)-- The Council for Citizens Against Government Waste Political Action Committee (CCAGWPAC) today compared the abysmal voting records of Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama and Vice Presidential nominee Joe Biden to presumptive Republican nominee John McCain from the Council for Citizens Against Government Waste's 2007 Congressional Ratings. "The 2007 Congressional Ratings show that the Democratic nominees for President and Vice-President would spend and tax far more than John McCain," said CCAGWPAC Chairman Tom Schatz. "Throughout their careers in the Senate, the two Democrats have demonstrated little regard for the harmful effect a large and cumbersome federal government has on taxpayers' wallets. Voters should take into consideration both their low ratings and their numerous earmarks." -- Sen. Obama's 2007 rating was 10 percent, making his lifetime score 18 percent. The 2008 Congressional Pig Book contained 53 earmarks worth $97.4 million for Sen. Obama, including $1,648,850 for the Shedd Aquarium. -- Sen. Biden received the worst possible rating in 2007 with 0 percent, while his lifetime rating is 22 percent. According to the Pig Book, Sen. Biden had 70 earmarks for a total of $119.7 million in fiscal year 2008, including $246,100 for the Grand Opera House in Wilmington. -- Sen. McCain has a lifetime rating of 88, has never requested nor received a single earmark, and has pledged to veto any spending bill that contains any earmarks. "The key word in the election is 'change,' but the Obama-Biden ticket only offers more of Washington's wasteful ways," said Schatz. "John McCain has a history of putting the interests of taxpayers ahead of politics by consistently voting to cut wasteful spending, reduce the tax burden, and make government more accountable to taxpayers. On Election Day, Senators Obama and Biden should be returned to their day jobs and Sen. McCain should be sent to the White House." CCAGWPAC is affiliated with the Council for Citizens Against Government Waste, a 501(c)(4) organization. CCAGWPAC's mission is to support political candidates who will fight to eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse in government and represent the best interests of taxpayers. Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS214423+28-Aug-2008+BW20080828) You quoted a partisan conservative Political Action Committee (PAC) that has declaring - shockingly - they don't think Barack Obama should be elected president. Was this suppossed to be a serious post? I mean, why don't you just cite "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" next time. With all due respect, do you understand how to construct an effective argument? Obviously you realize that quoting openly biased sources is not a good way to support your arguments, right? I mean, if I used MoveOn.org as a source you wouldn't take me very seriously right? Of course you wouldn't, nor should you. That's why it's important to find - and use - unbiased, independent, non-partisan, and accredited sources to support your claims. Maybe you don't know any, which is perfectly fine. There is no shame in asking for help when you need it. Here are a couple unbiased sources for you to consider when attempting to provide supporting evidence for future arguments you make against Barack Obama..... 1. FactCheck.org 2. Wikipedia.org 3. VoteSmart.org Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: Patton on September 07, 2008, 04:28:22 AM You quoted a partisan conservative Political Action Committee (PAC) that has declaring - shockingly - they don't think Barack Obama should be elected president. Perhaps you can provide PROOF this PAC is a partisan conservative PAC.....unless of course "partisan conservative" means anti-waste and pork. Besides.....I got the article off Reuters. On a whim, I chose to take your advice and look at FactCheck: Armed with this new information, the anti-pork watchdog group Citizens Against Government Waste analyzed bills passed for FY2008 and found no earmarks requested by John McCain. And the president of CAGW told us back in January that he didn't know of any instance in which McCain had asked the Senate Appropriations Committee for an earmark. But there have been three times in the past, in 1992, 2003, 2006, when McCain may have requested, or been influential in securing, an earmark. No definitive evidence was ever found, but details can be read in our original report. Furthermore, CAGW has maintained congressional scorecards going back to 1991 rating how lawmakers have voted on earmarks and other government transparency issues. McCain scored 95 percent for his work in the 109th (2005-2006) Congress. He has an 88 percent lifetime rating, which qualifies him as a "taxpayer hero," according to the group. FactCheck (http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_mccain_ever_made_any_earmarks.html) No mention by them as the CAGW being a "partisan conservative" PAC......thanks for the tip....I added this to my Rolodex. ;) Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: Ahkenaten on September 07, 2008, 05:47:51 AM Back at the ranch: Obama and Biden Don't Measure Up to McCain on Spending and Taxes WASHINGTON--(Business Wire)-- The Council for Citizens Against Government Waste Political Action Committee (CCAGWPAC) today compared the abysmal voting records of Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama and Vice Presidential nominee Joe Biden to presumptive Republican nominee John McCain from the Council for Citizens Against Government Waste's 2007 Congressional Ratings. "The 2007 Congressional Ratings show that the Democratic nominees for President and Vice-President would spend and tax far more than John McCain," said CCAGWPAC Chairman Tom Schatz. "Throughout their careers in the Senate, the two Democrats have demonstrated little regard for the harmful effect a large and cumbersome federal government has on taxpayers' wallets. Voters should take into consideration both their low ratings and their numerous earmarks." -- Sen. Obama's 2007 rating was 10 percent, making his lifetime score 18 percent. The 2008 Congressional Pig Book contained 53 earmarks worth $97.4 million for Sen. Obama, including $1,648,850 for the Shedd Aquarium. -- Sen. Biden received the worst possible rating in 2007 with 0 percent, while his lifetime rating is 22 percent. According to the Pig Book, Sen. Biden had 70 earmarks for a total of $119.7 million in fiscal year 2008, including $246,100 for the Grand Opera House in Wilmington. -- Sen. McCain has a lifetime rating of 88, has never requested nor received a single earmark, and has pledged to veto any spending bill that contains any earmarks. "The key word in the election is 'change,' but the Obama-Biden ticket only offers more of Washington's wasteful ways," said Schatz. "John McCain has a history of putting the interests of taxpayers ahead of politics by consistently voting to cut wasteful spending, reduce the tax burden, and make government more accountable to taxpayers. On Election Day, Senators Obama and Biden should be returned to their day jobs and Sen. McCain should be sent to the White House." CCAGWPAC is affiliated with the Council for Citizens Against Government Waste, a 501(c)(4) organization. CCAGWPAC's mission is to support political candidates who will fight to eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse in government and represent the best interests of taxpayers. Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS214423+28-Aug-2008+BW20080828) Whatever. God the BS piles up so fast. You voted in a bozo without a single accomplishment in his life (including the presidency) that he didnt get without cheating, inside trading or Daddy's influence. This is why no one's listening to you guys any longer. Your guy screwed your country major and you know it. Fact is you'll vote in any mentally retarded person so long as the tell you they believe in "God's plan" and they're from Texas so why not quit pretending you care? Ahk Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: jpn of Seattle on September 07, 2008, 06:26:00 AM What more wasteful government spending has the US engaged in in recent times than the pointless Iraq war, which McCain was screaming for within a month of 9/11?
Not to mention the human cost... Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: Patton on September 07, 2008, 06:59:34 AM Whatever. God the BS piles up so fast. We noticed you had nothing to refute: Obama and Biden Don't Measure Up to McCain on Spending and Taxes WASHINGTON--(Business Wire)-- The Council for Citizens Against Government Waste Political Action Committee (CCAGWPAC) today compared the abysmal voting records of Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama and Vice Presidential nominee Joe Biden to presumptive Republican nominee John McCain from the Council for Citizens Against Government Waste's 2007 Congressional Ratings. "The 2007 Congressional Ratings show that the Democratic nominees for President and Vice-President would spend and tax far more than John McCain," said CCAGWPAC Chairman Tom Schatz. "Throughout their careers in the Senate, the two Democrats have demonstrated little regard for the harmful effect a large and cumbersome federal government has on taxpayers' wallets. Voters should take into consideration both their low ratings and their numerous earmarks." You come across as a frustrated dramaqueen spewing the regular tried-n-true insults that lack substance and are completely inflated with irrational playground hyperbolic opinions..... Was this to be directed at the context of my last post....or some overwheming global all encompassing whine? The Presidency is not an accomplishment? ::) Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: ryan77 on September 07, 2008, 07:16:46 AM Whatever. God the BS piles up so fast. We noticed you had nothing to refute: Obama and Biden Don't Measure Up to McCain on Spending and Taxes WASHINGTON--(Business Wire)-- The Council for Citizens Against Government Waste Political Action Committee (CCAGWPAC) today compared the abysmal voting records of Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama and Vice Presidential nominee Joe Biden to presumptive Republican nominee John McCain from the Council for Citizens Against Government Waste's 2007 Congressional Ratings. "The 2007 Congressional Ratings show that the Democratic nominees for President and Vice-President would spend and tax far more than John McCain," said CCAGWPAC Chairman Tom Schatz. "Throughout their careers in the Senate, the two Democrats have demonstrated little regard for the harmful effect a large and cumbersome federal government has on taxpayers' wallets. Voters should take into consideration both their low ratings and their numerous earmarks." You come across as a frustrated dramaqueen spewing the regular tried-n-true insults that lack substance and are completely inflated with irrational playground hyperbolic opinions..... Was this to be directed at the context of my last post....or some overwheming global all encompassing whine? The Presidency is not an accomplishment? ::) You have not provided anything to refute ding-dong. All you have provided here is someone's opinion. You haven't provided any actual facts, as usual. You can't rebute someone's opinion. The conservative PAC group's chairman feels Obama & Biden will "tax and spend" if elected. Okay, great. But it's still just an opinion and nothing more. Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: freethinker on September 07, 2008, 08:11:31 AM How can a party with the spending track record of the republicans dare to even mention spending at all?? The old mantra "tax and spend" is sounding so hollow after eight years of;
BORROW AND SPEND LIKE THERE'S NO TOMORROW! Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: Patton on September 07, 2008, 08:27:22 AM All you have provided here is someone's opinion. SomeONE? I believe it's the opinion of the ORGANIZATION, that incidently has been a watchdog on federal pork since 1991. When an ORGANIZATION releases an opinion, do you feel each and every member must make the announcement? ::) Quote The conservative PAC group's chairman feels Obama & Biden will "tax and spend" if elected. Okay, great. But it's still just an opinion and nothing more. An opinion based on the legislative lifetime of those reported on.....so not just an unsupported off-the-cuff opinion of the type you're real good at hurling....but an opinion supported by legislative history. Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: freethinker on September 07, 2008, 10:16:20 AM All you have provided here is someones opinion. SomeONE? I believe it's the opinion of the ORGANIZATION, that incidental has been a watchdog on federal pork since 1991. When an ORGANIZATION releases an opinion, do you feel each and every member must make the announcement? ::) Quote The conservative PAC group's chairman feels Obama & Biden will "tax and spend" if elected. Okay, great. But it's still just an opinion and nothing more. An opinion based on the legislative lifetime of those reported on.....so not just an unsupported off-the-cuff opinion of the type you're real good at hurling....but an opinion supported by legislative history. There will be taxes and there will be spending no one can doubt that. The exact same statement can be made about McCain and no one could refute that either. The statement means nothing and says nothing of any substance whatsoever. It is pure implication and posturing. Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: Opmod on September 07, 2008, 11:02:47 AM Most of the projects drawing the funding sound like good uses of money. IMO, earmarks, though they can be (and often are) wasteful have a connotation more negative than they deserve. They should be transparent, so people are aware of who's spending what, but I'm not for any political witch-hunts. My biggest problem with this is that the money should have been coming more (much more) from the state government than the federal government. I might think differently on the matter if AK government was poor, but it's not. This is a classic case of passing the buck (invoice) on. The AK government wants to pass the cost on to the rest of us, so that it can cut state taxes. It's just the federal treasury (read: federal debt) anyway, so who's counting? Illy, stop talking sensible and let the lunatic fringe of both sides masturbate over perceived problems while chastising their opponents. Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: gommi on September 07, 2008, 05:14:09 PM Patton, you present the idea of 'tax and spend' as an element of misrule and something to be avoided, however is it actually so harmful? By refusing to tax and spend responsibly, the Republicans failed to improve the nation's public services and balance the budget.
I view Obama's "big government" record as a positive quality, while John McCain's conservative stubbornness represents more of the same. Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: Biker Dude on September 07, 2008, 05:21:40 PM Well, what about Bush, not-tax and spend anyway? Is McCain going to continue if given the chance? Seeing as how he almost slavishly follows Bush like a puppy and votes his way, one would tend to think so...
Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: illy on September 07, 2008, 06:10:01 PM Most of the projects drawing the funding sound like good uses of money. IMO, earmarks, though they can be (and often are) wasteful have a connotation more negative than they deserve. They should be transparent, so people are aware of who's spending what, but I'm not for any political witch-hunts. My biggest problem with this is that the money should have been coming more (much more) from the state government than the federal government. I might think differently on the matter if AK government was poor, but it's not. This is a classic case of passing the buck (invoice) on. The AK government wants to pass the cost on to the rest of us, so that it can cut state taxes. It's just the federal treasury (read: federal debt) anyway, so who's counting? Illy, stop talking sensible and let the lunatic fringe of both sides masturbate over perceived problems while chastising their opponents. My bad. It's just that there's something counter-intuitive about liberals criticizing support for public transportation and conservatives defending it. Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: ryan77 on September 07, 2008, 06:12:11 PM All you have provided here is someone's opinion. SomeONE? I believe it's the opinion of the ORGANIZATION, that incidently has been a watchdog on federal pork since 1991. When an ORGANIZATION releases an opinion, do you feel each and every member must make the announcement? ::) Quote The conservative PAC group's chairman feels Obama & Biden will "tax and spend" if elected. Okay, great. But it's still just an opinion and nothing more. An opinion based on the legislative lifetime of those reported on.....so not just an unsupported off-the-cuff opinion of the type you're real good at hurling....but an opinion supported by legislative history. Okay, so it's the opinion of a person speaking on behalf of his organization. It doesn't change the fact that the person is a conservative and the organization is a 527 Political Action Committee just like MoveOn.org and just like Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. And just like any 527 group, they have an agenda. I'm not even saying that just because they have a agenda everything and anything they may have to say should be automatically dismissed. After all, some things MoveOn.org have said are actually true and some things Swift Boat Veterans for Truth have said are actually true too. The problem with both is you have to dig through a lot of B.S. and spin and bias to find the little bit of truth - if any - that may exist. The 26-year voting record of a veteran Senator like McCain which spans 3 decades and 4 different Presidents clearly cannot be compared to the thin 2-year voting record of a freshman Senator like Obama and draw any sort of remotely accurate conclusions as a future indicator of their respective "predicted" legislative actions. I mean it's just silly. How in the world could you take the tiny handful of spending bills Barack Obama has even had the opportunity to vote on and accurately predict how he is likely to vote in a presidential career that could potentially last 4 times as long has his entire career in the Senate. That is why, it would be much wiser, to stick to non-partisan unbiased sources when trying to support your arguments. They are much more credible. Title: Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks Post by: jpn of Seattle on September 08, 2008, 02:43:43 PM Remember, McCain and Palin started this discussion by bragging about Palin's supposed opposition to the Bridge to Nowhere, which turned out to be a lie. McCain is still opening his stump speeches with the claim.
Today: “The fact is that Gov. Palin learned that earmarks are bad and she did say, we don’t need our bridge to nowhere, and we will pay for it ourselves if we need it. I mean, that is just a fact.” But how many knew this: Congress removed the earmark funding the notorious bridge. But, despite the fact that the bridge was not going to be built, then-Gov. Frank Murkowski approved the construction of a $24 million gravel “access” road (the Gravina Island Access Highway) that would lead to a nonexistent bridge. In the 2006 debate, Palin was asked whether she supported this earmark, or whether she would pledge to cancel it as governor. Rather than responding with “thanks but no thanks” to federal funding for this “access” road, Palin said: Quote I wouldn’t [cancel the project]. I’m not going to stand in the way of progress that our congressional delegation — in the position of strength that they have right now — they’re making those efforts for the state of Alaska to build up our infrastructure. I would not get in the way of progress. Independent candidate Andrew Halcro responded that he would cancel the project, explaining “this isn’t progress. This is a road to a bridge that will never be built.” To this day, the state of Alaska “is continuing to build a road on Gravina Island to an empty beach where the bridge would have gone — because federal money for the access road, unlike the bridge money, would have otherwise been returned to the federal government.” That's right folks, a great example of your tax dollars at work under Republican government. Your tax dollars being wasted while the responsible Republican official brags about how great she is at being a steward of them. Sources: McCain's lie today: http://nbc12.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/mccain-speaks-one-on-one-with-nbc12/ Road to nowhere: http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/08/palin-bridge-access-road/
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