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You know, the funny thing about this Bill O'Reilly scandal is that for once Bill O'Reilly is actually right - his comments are being taken out of context and his is being misrepresented. When you listen to the entire transcript, although ignorant and off the mark, Bill-O is saying that white America believes the black community is vastly different from themselves due to false impressions and stereotypes that come these days primarily from popular culture - namely rap artists and the hip-hop genre as a whole. To accentuate his point he uses anecdote of eating at a black restaurant and how that restaurant is absolutely no different than any white restaurant, but most white people wouldn't know this because of their impression of the black community from what they see and hear from the hip-hop community. The "M-F'er get me some iced tea" comment was a correlation to the hip-hop community because if that is where you get your impressions of black America from that, according to Bill-O, is probably what you would expect to hear since rap artists are constantly dropping the F-bomb left and right. So that's the mind of Bill-O: wrong, tortured, confusing, and ignorant - but not racist. At least not in this case.


Why this is so funny, and why hardly anyone outside of Fox News is running to his defense, is because secretly I think everyone is getting a little enjoyment of watching Bill-O get a taste of his own medicine. Misrepresenting someone's comments is something Bill-O has turned into a true artform. Bill-O is the Picasso of taking words out of context, misquoting, lying, and misrepresenting the comments of people with whom he disagrees to serially mislead and misinform his nightly audience.

So its only understandable that no one is bending over backwards to clear O'Reilly's name. In a lot of ways, this is even more enjoyable than if he would have actually made truly racist comments.     

there is a saying I am trying to remember that comes to mind, something about sowing and reaping...

Or another one about liveing and dying by the sword, or in this case, the out of context mis-quote. 

Bill does hold some accurate positions on issues, IMO, but, like any good entertainer, he exagerates them to extremes to get a rise out of his audience.  Sort of like a comedian who takes every day life occurances and exagerates them to make them more funny.  He is, first and foremost, an entertainer.  The way in which he berates his quests and cherry picks comments to rail against, sounds exactly like what you are describing happining to him now.   

IMO, only thing I have a problem with this is that he is reinforcing some stereotypes when he tries to tell it how it is, so to speak. But yea its nice to see karma working ;D

it doesn't matter who would have said it. the black community leaders or at least those who appoint themselves as such have a huge double standard. its ok for a black person to say this but not a white person. its ok for a black person to call a white person a racist comment but yet if a white person truly does make a racist remark against a black person they are tared and feathered.

bill oreilly just says what the common person is afraid to say. and that combined with the fact that he leans to the right is enough fuel to have all these haters, but the silent majority just keep tuning in and enjoying his program.

just for the sake of dropping my position in this thread.... i am for equal rights not special rights.

O'Reilly's comments were not "taken out of context." He said exactly what is quoted below, and it means what it seems to mean: O'Reilly was surprised that blacks act like "normal people".



http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/27/pinkt-vi-menschen/ (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/27/pinkt-vi-menschen/)

When did he say this? I must have missed it.

Oh well, Bill O'Reilly needs to get out some more and realize that this "hip-hop" genre is not unique to the black population, but rather the current young generation.

Fortunately it is losing some ground as people realize EVERYone won't grow up to be a rapper, but there are still entirely to many white, black, Chinese and whatever race you want that think everything is about the "bling, bling" and the "bitches with big booties".

It's an issue of maturity, not race.

why are my posts disapearing?  ???

I thought we fixed the glitches.

Has it happened a lot? Was there anything you did (like try to modify it) that may have messed up the coding? Is it the QUICK REPLY and the REPLY button that are creating problems or is it just one of them?

no i dont have a quick reply.
but i did check mark a few boxs that i like the features on  ???

Actually, Media Matters does it to him every single day and for the last couple of years, which where this story got it's start. It's also why everyone thinks he takes things out of context. It's because Media Matters is actually doing it to him!! And the far left just soaks it up like sponge with no thinking. What a circus.........


It's because nobody has to. He didn't do anything wrong. Although the black guy, Juan Williams, he made the comment to is defending him. Interesting...no?

What if I showed you a segment of O'Reilly's show, unmitigated by any source, including the evil  Moveon, in which O'Reilly accuses his opponent of taking words out of context, and then the opponent, a High School student, turns the tables on O'Reilly and reveals O'Reilly to be doing the exact same thing?
Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6cT-JSfdzM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6cT-JSfdzM)

 :o

O'Reilly got schooled by a 16 year-old...

 ;D

Kudos to him.

 :laugh:

dare i actually admit that was a funny video seeing bill O get schooled like that or should i ignore it, make excuses for it or condemn the kid like jpn would do?

unlike you jpn i can laugh at things like this when someone from my side of the isle gets his ass handed to him. you should try it, it actually feels good admitting these lil things.

I've already seen it. The kid didn't actually prove his point. Unless we both read O'reilly's book it's worthless debating over. In any case, JP, you and I both know what Media Matters and MoveOn is relentless and dishonest. And maybe you could make the case that they were both just as bad as each other (which they're not), O'reilly doesn't have near the political influence that MoveOn does.

It's funny nobody actually disproves MoveOn's slander, they just try to pull out more supposed O'reilly dishonesty.

Oh, brother.  ::)

Haha props to the kid for coming prepared like that.
I wouldn't be surprised if someone supplied that to him. But anyways, props.

This is where I highly disagree. Everytime MediaMatters posts an O'Reilly quote, they generally post it with the entire context (usually several paragraphs with the suspect comment or sentence highlighted). You can't say something like MediaMatters misrepresents Bill O'Reilly "every single day" and the far left (a term invented by Bill-O himself so I can see that you're obviously a big fan) "soaks it up like a sponge with no thinking" without backing it up.

In fact, MediaMatters rarely misrepresents the hundreds of false statements Bill O'Reilly makes. What started getting Bill-O on a "personal jihad" against MediaMatters (including threats to murder them) was when MediaMatters documents a string of lies, hypocricies, and false statements Bill-O made in 2004 when MediaMatters named him the 2004 "Misinformer Of The Year":

 http://mediamatters.org/items/200412230006

Now if you still stand by your original statement, please provide even 1 example from the link above showing how MediaMatters is taking Bill-O out of context or otherwise misrepresenting him. Or, if you prefer, you can use more recent examples here:

http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/people/billoreilly?f=h_hot

the truth can be depressing.... cheer up its not worth ruining your day ;D