IAP Political Forum

Coming from China, seems quite hypocritical, no? Since when did the Chinese value democracy.  Stop cozying up to Junta and join the UN by laying the smack down with some sanctions.  Oh wait, they are hypocrites and don't know the meaning of democracy.  Should of known.  ::)


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/30/world/asia/30myanmar.html?_r=1&ref=world&oref=slogin

Nevertheless the UN desperately needs china to help especially as China has a substantial amount of leverage on Myanmar. Unfortunately china and Myanmar are the few regimes that are willing to kill in order to stay in power. I have hoped that china would phase out of this and come to the realization that it doesnt work. I fear the sanctions won't suppress the convulsion in Myanmar.

I've said we didn't kill Tibetan. You think Tibetan is poor?????????Did you see the video Tibetan kill our Han chinese in Tibet?????????????The media of your countries are really good.Because they didn't tell you the truth, and you believe them all.You just listen the few of Tibetans' voice.What about the most Tibetans' voice. They are hang national flag at home.Do you know what is meaning????????If we really repress Tibetan,so what?!They attack Han Chinese they can see on the road!Which country will don't care about it???????Tibetans have many good policy.For example,on National Entrance Examantion,if the school score line is 495 ,they just need 485!You know why CCP do it??????

And you are wrong or lying.

zhr, Tibet has frequently been outside Chinese control and much of the time Chinese control was merely nominal.  Because of its distance away you had a situation of having suzerainty rather than sovereignty for much of the history when you had some political authority there.  Otherwise more Chinese traditions, like the Imperial exams, to cite one example, would have taken root as they did in Korea and Vietnam .

Ohh I see the little racist thugs are in here too.

Surprise, surprise.

Please let me know where you are all from so we can have some fun.

I'm Australian living in China.
How about you guys?
Where are you all from.

Let's see if we can have some good discussions here.

Tibet outside China's control.
Sorry, no can do.
In fact all of China was in and out of control over the centuries but it was still China.
Look at some western world maps during the 18th and 19th century.

Was America in America's control then?
Oh no, that's right. They needed to exterminate a few Indians first.
Run along, run along....

What's next on the agenda.
Now I know you guys like links to everything but I'm not giving you any.
You see I know how you work.
You sit on your arses and know nothing about China but shoot your big mouths of anyway.
If you're really interested go google the report from the economist magazine.
You will find the Chinese were very slow reacting to the riots which hardly sounds like a police state does it.
Let me know what you think about the poor young Chinese girls burned alive by the peaceful monks.
Ohhh, I forgot, they don't don't count do they. They're just Chinese.

Finally, I despise the Junta in Burma. They are nothing but pigs in uniform.
I hope that China does use pressure against them but modern China has a policy of non interference.
It will take time for a true foreign affairs policy to emerge and I encourage them to do so.

What are you doing in China Cune?

I started visiting from the mid eighties just for fun and came back about 5 years ago to live.
I have a small Company in H.K but live with the real people in China and work from home.

Cool,good luck with it  :)

There are heaps of aussies who have moved to China or recently set up business in China to ride the anticipated economic boom there.

Unless they are big Companies they are wasting their time.
I think most are in the mining industry where things are really hot at the moment.
Bloody hell, Australia is turning into one big open cut mine.
The Aussie dollar at 0.93 is driving a lot of them.
It's almost impossible to manufacture and export based on those rates.
Still my money would be with H.K for small business and Cambodia for medium.

Who's hypocritical?
Amercian government often invade other countries and kill civilians with many "decent" excuses.
They use democracy, freedom, peace, and even dollars  to cheat other peoples, but usally they get them have nightmares...
Amercan government boast that they offer people democracy and freedom, but even their own people are cheated.
If they know democracy, they should give more opportunities to the original owners of the land--the indians.
You whites killed indians, traded blacks, but you never feel shamed to tell the world you have democracy and freedom.
You let your people speak, but you  tighten their hands and legs.     

CUNE

I see nobody can jump in any discussion without you calling them racists. If you want me to take you serious a bit, how do you expect with that attitude?
Remember, you are here to explain your beloved Chinese government actions! that's why you came here in the first place, right?
Does it bother you that I call you communist? Well, get used to it, that is how people here see things and if you expect that you show up and ppl listen to you unconditionally, just because you have a different opinion, well, this ain't gonna work.

..........I would say you are a capitalist communist.
Which is worse, because is neither, nor.
In any case you don't represent the real Chinese people.

Cune isn't a communist.  China isn't communist.   It's a carefully guided capitalist economy.

its economy is a guided capitalist economy...at best, by I believed controlled is a more appropriate word than guided.

Also, let's not forget that it is a totalitarian state

"Totalitarian" implies secret police, people living brutally repressed lives, everything controlled by the government, but it isn't actually true.  The only thing oppressing them is in fact resulting from the weakening and opening up, which has led to corruption and pollution and poor safety standards etc.  Far from being a classically over-controlled fascist/totalitarian state, its main problems are resulting from a move away from that.

IMVHO.

There is no doubt that China is a brutal, totalitarian Communist dictatorship.

Traditional ethnic groups are forcibly put under the government's thumb -- when they protest, they are summarily executed.  Just like at the case of the Uigurs.  In 2006, when a group of Uighurs gathered to protest the government, Chinese military police opened fire on the crowd indiscriminately killing hundreds.  I'd provide the link but everytime I link something the media filter seems to eat my post.

The Chinese dictators are just as murderous with their own population.  When Chinese students protested against the Communist dictators in Tianamen Square, the government again open indiscriminate fire, executing hundres (some say thousands) of people in cold blood on the streets of their capitol city.

You don't think China is a totalitarian police state?  Try protesting.  Try writing your legistlator to urge for Taiwanese independence.  Try starting or practicing a religion.  Try criticizing the government on its foreign policy or its police tactics.  Go ahead.  There is no such things as freedom of speech, religion, assembly or association in the Chinese police state.  The media is solidly controlled by the government.  The internet is filtered.

Try having a second child.  You can't even reproduce without the government forcing abortions for second children.

China is corrupt.

China is filthy with pollution.  Its filth is now stretching to its neighbors, Korea and Japan.  People in southern Japan are now dealing with the massive pollution vomited out by China.

People are desperate to leave - like rats off a ship.  Who can blame them?

But don't mind me, I'm just a racist, right?

Stephen Hero,

You didn't get the invitation to visit China? They say is a tourist's paradise.
That's maybe because you are racist.  :)

See, I got the invitation, nah nah nah na na nah :P

I've been to China more often than I care for.  My wife hates it when I go there because you get a stink on your clothes that doesn't come out for weeks.

....Beijing perfume I guess...

cune and pengy could really show their support for the regime if they found work at one of the "transformation centres" where Falun Gong are "transformed". There they could put their support into action by kicking out the teeth of some pacifist grandmother and beating her with rubber hoses. That will put you in solid with your masters, boys! Give it a try! If you "talk the talk....."