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Oil, it's not just for Americans anymore.

With the rapid economic expansion of China and the slower economic expasion of Russia, India and other developing nations, a camel can't take a dump in the ME, without it being related to oil.

Still trying to post some ifno, but this is getting very frustrating.

Thank God for beer.

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First of all your numbers are VERY MISLEADING.

You claim that ME only accounts for 18% of the worlds oil production

This is very misleading. THE ME has over half of the world's proven
oil reserves. If you factor in cost of recovery, the ME is essential
for the economic security of the US for the near future.

Where the US buys it's oil is irrelevant, as all of it is part of the
world supply. Any reference to which countries we buy oil from are
moot.

Saudi Arabia has the world's largest "proven" oil reserves, followed
by Iraq, or Canada, depending on how you calculate the reserves.

Russia and Iran combined control 40% of the world's proven natural gas reserves.

The Caspian oil basin reserves appear to be largely exaggerated and
even though exploration and pipeline deals continue, this region is
not going to replace the ME for the US needs. It's estimates go down
almost yearly.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a1295twothirds

Some people just don't seem to get it.

It was and is all about oil.

No, the US is not going to just take the oil, that would be too
simple. Oil companies aren't that straightforward. The oil companies
learned long ago how to work in the shadows, letting others do their
bidding.

I doubt many people here know much about the history of US oil companies.

US oil companies taught NAZI Germany how to make fuel from coal. US
oil companies sold millions of dollars of oil to Germany leading up to
Pearl Harbor and had secret agreements with NAZI Germany even after
the US ENTERED THE WAR.

http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/may96udin.htm

http://www.new-enlightenment.com/oilrulers1.htm

http://web.mit.edu/thistle/www/v13/3/oil.html

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Trading_Enemy_excerpts.html

 In two years Germany will be manufacturing oil and gas enough out of
soft coal for a long war. The Standard Oil of New York is furnishing
millions of dollars to help. (Report from the Commercial Attaché, U.S.
Embassy in Berlin, Germany, January 1933, to State Department in
Washington, D.C,)

http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/chapter_04.htm

HERE, MAYBE THIS PIECE WILL HELP THOSE WHO ARE BLINDED BY IGNORANCE......

 One of the biggest money makers in modern history is oil, also known
as black gold or Texas Tea.   It may not offer the multiple of a
lottery ticket -- e.g. $35 million for a $1 investment -- but when it
comes to large amounts of money yielding really huge amounts of money,
oil is the ticket.  Year end and year out, the oil keeps flowing and
the money keeps rolling in.  Accordingly, in "following the money" on
a global scale implies the essential need of "following the oil".

Why would the United States, for example, invade Afghanistan and Iraq,
but practically decline an invitation to winter in Liberia and send
instead only a modicum of troops?  A couple of hints might be in
order.

First Hint:  Iraq can produce 35% more oil daily than can Saudi Arabia
and with one fourth the number of operating wells.  The current
average cost to produce one barrel of oil in Iraq is less than $1 (*),
while it's $2.50 in Saudi Arabia and $10 in the United States.  These
prices can be compared to the $20 to $30 a barrel of oil costs for the
higher quality crude on the open market. [1]

[(*) This production cost per barrel of oil doesn't include a couple
of hundred billion dollars to invade the country, pacify it, rebuild
the oil infrastructure, and get the oil flowing in massive quantities
again.  Such expenses are considered "incidental" (i.e. never show up
on the balance sheet) and are, of course, never borne by the oil
companies themselves -- who, by the way, make massive windfall profits
from selling the oil.  The expenses are covered instead by the
generous American tax payer... who, incidentally, also buys the oil
from the oil companies at inflated prices.  Are you beginning to grasp
why oil is such a money maker?]

Second Hint:  There is massive amount of oil in Afghanistan and in
those Central Asia countries formerly of the Soviet Union and whose
names tend to end in "stan".  There is, in fact, enough oil there "to
offset any halt in production by Iraq..." [2]  In this case, the key
is in providing a means of extracting the oil and moving it from the
less than friendly regions of Central Asia to a convenient seaport,
where it can be shipped to the waiting customers of Europe and
America.  Afghanistan is the preferred route.

Third Hint:  Liberia doesn't have enough oil to make it worth invading.

Donald Barlett and James Steele have noted [1], "If Iraq is now
handled openly -- meaning the war really was about liberating Iraq
from a dictator and the rest of the world from a security threat, as
the Bush Administration asserts, and not about gaining control of oil
reserves, as much of the rest of the world believes -- it will be a
historic first.  The yardstick to measure U.S. intentions will be
1950s Iran.  Before the U.S.-inspired overthrow of the Iranian
government, American oil companies had no presence in the country.
After the coup, five U. S. oil companies moved in and produced oil for
25 years."

http://www.halexandria.org/dward663.htm

On Feb. 27, 1942, Thurman Arnold, chief of the U.S. Anti-Trust
Division, confronted William Farish, president of Standard Oil. Arnold
charged that "by continuing to favor Hitler in the rubber deal and
patent arrangements," Standard Oil "had acted against the interests of
the American government." He suggested "a fine of $1.5 million and a
consent decree, whereby Standard would turn over for the duration all
the patents" in question. When Farish refused, charges of criminal
conspiracy with the enemy were filed in Newark, New Jersey. However,
they were later dropped, in return for Standard releasing its patents
and paying a modest fine. Farish had to pay a paltry fine of $1,000.

On July 13, 1944, as the war was raging, Standard Oil of New Jersey
sued the U.S. government for having seized the synthetic rubber
patents. On Nov. 7, 1945, Judge Charles E. Wyzanski decided in favor
of the government. An appeal was denied, when on Sept. 22, 1947, Judge
Charles Clark made the following declaration: "Standard Oil can be
considered an enemy national in view of its relationships with I.G.
Farben after the United States and Germany had become active enemies."

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/3203plot_v_fdr.html

The Plot Against FDR:

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/3203plot_v_fdr.html

I could go on and on, but most of the people on this thread know Iraq
is all about oil. The rest of the people might learn the truth, if
they were to bother to do some simple research, but I am not holding
my breath.

Most Americans can't even imagine the power of the oil companies. They
fail to grasp the power of the second most powerful industry in the
world.

These people have not taken the time to educate themselves and I doubt
they ever will. After all, ignorance is bliss and there are some damn
blissful people on this forum.

Of course few Americans actually give a flying fuck about the truth,
which was proven when we allowed 8 pages of the 9/11 report to be
classified and didn't demand some action against the oil companies
puppet government in Saudi Arabia.

We are all hypocrites.

We know Saudi Arabia was the home to the majority of hijackers, we
know their leader came from Saudi Arabia, we know half the suicide
bombers in Iraq are Saudi, we know they teach hatred for the West in
their schools and we know they fund terrorism, yet we do nothing. All
because we are hypocrites who enjoy our big cars, our vacations, our
warm homes in winter and cool homes in summer.

Yes, we are all hypocrites, putting stickers on our cars to support
the troops, but allowing terrorism to be bred in a country which we
allow our elected officials tell us is our friend.

Madeline Albright admitted to the US involvement in the coup that
installed the Shah of Iran to power in 1953. We helped overthrow a
democtratically elected leader.

Why? What was so bad about Mossadegh????????

There were two major problems with Mossadegh, however, as far as
both the British and American governments were concerned. First, as an
ardent nationalist he was a driving force behind an Iranian attempt to
nationalize the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, a British company that had
held a monopoly on the production and sale of Iranian oil since the
early part of the 20th century. Second, fiercely independent,
Mossadegh refused to do the bidding of the U.S. government, which by
this time had become fearful that Mossadegh might align Iran with
America's World War II ally and post–World War II enemy, the Soviet
Union.

http://www.fff.org/comment/com0501i.asp

The oil companies will not have to pay for the trillion dollar war in
Iraq, or the war in Afghanistan, that honor is meant for the American
people. Future generations of Americans will have to pay for the
privilege of US/Brittish controlled oil in the ME. DO YOU GET IT YET?

Some people seem to think the war isn't about oil, but these people
likely know little to nothing about the history of the oil companies
and their influence over world events. History has shown that the
WESTERN oil companies have used every means at their disposal to make
sure their finger is in every possible oil deposit.

If only people would make the time to educate themselves.

It was and is all about oil.

No, the US is not going to just take the oil, that would be too
simple. Oil companies aren't that straightforward. The oil companies
learned long ago how to work in the shadows, letting others do their
bidding.

I doubt many people here know much about the history of US oil companies.

US oil companies taught NAZI Germany how to make fuel from coal. US
oil companies sold millions of dollars of oil to Germany leading up to
Pearl Harbor and had secret agreements with NAZI Germany even after
the US ENTERED THE WAR.

http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/may96udin.htm

http://www.new-enlightenment.com/oilrulers1.htm

http://web.mit.edu/thistle/www/v13/3/oil.html

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Trading_Enemy_excerpts.html

 In two years Germany will be manufacturing oil and gas enough out of
soft coal for a long war. The Standard Oil of New York is furnishing
millions of dollars to help. (Report from the Commercial Attaché, U.S.
Embassy in Berlin, Germany, January 1933, to State Department in
Washington, D.C,)

http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/chapter_04.htm

HERE, MAYBE THIS PIECE WILL HELP THOSE WHO ARE BLINDED BY IGNORANCE......

 One of the biggest money makers in modern history is oil, also known
as black gold or Texas Tea.   It may not offer the multiple of a
lottery ticket -- e.g. $35 million for a $1 investment -- but when it
comes to large amounts of money yielding really huge amounts of money,
oil is the ticket.  Year end and year out, the oil keeps flowing and
the money keeps rolling in.  Accordingly, in "following the money" on
a global scale implies the essential need of "following the oil".

Why would the United States, for example, invade Afghanistan and Iraq,
but practically decline an invitation to winter in Liberia and send
instead only a modicum of troops?  A couple of hints might be in
order.

First Hint:  Iraq can produce 35% more oil daily than can Saudi Arabia
and with one fourth the number of operating wells.  The current
average cost to produce one barrel of oil in Iraq is less than $1 (*),
while it's $2.50 in Saudi Arabia and $10 in the United States.  These
prices can be compared to the $20 to $30 a barrel of oil costs for the
higher quality crude on the open market. [1]

[(*) This production cost per barrel of oil doesn't include a couple
of hundred billion dollars to invade the country, pacify it, rebuild
the oil infrastructure, and get the oil flowing in massive quantities
again.  Such expenses are considered "incidental" (i.e. never show up
on the balance sheet) and are, of course, never borne by the oil
companies themselves -- who, by the way, make massive windfall profits
from selling the oil.  The expenses are covered instead by the
generous American tax payer... who, incidentally, also buys the oil
from the oil companies at inflated prices.  Are you beginning to grasp
why oil is such a money maker?]

Second Hint:  There is massive amount of oil in Afghanistan and in
those Central Asia countries formerly of the Soviet Union and whose
names tend to end in "stan".  There is, in fact, enough oil there "to
offset any halt in production by Iraq..." [2]  In this case, the key
is in providing a means of extracting the oil and moving it from the
less than friendly regions of Central Asia to a convenient seaport,
where it can be shipped to the waiting customers of Europe and
America.  Afghanistan is the preferred route.

Third Hint:  Liberia doesn't have enough oil to make it worth invading.

Donald Barlett and James Steele have noted [1], "If Iraq is now
handled openly -- meaning the war really was about liberating Iraq
from a dictator and the rest of the world from a security threat, as
the Bush Administration asserts, and not about gaining control of oil
reserves, as much of the rest of the world believes -- it will be a
historic first.  The yardstick to measure U.S. intentions will be
1950s Iran.  Before the U.S.-inspired overthrow of the Iranian
government, American oil companies had no presence in the country.
After the coup, five U. S. oil companies moved in and produced oil for
25 years."

http://www.halexandria.org/dward663.htm

On Feb. 27, 1942, Thurman Arnold, chief of the U.S. Anti-Trust
Division, confronted William Farish, president of Standard Oil. Arnold
charged that "by continuing to favor Hitler in the rubber deal and
patent arrangements," Standard Oil "had acted against the interests of
the American government." He suggested "a fine of $1.5 million and a
consent decree, whereby Standard would turn over for the duration all
the patents" in question. When Farish refused, charges of criminal
conspiracy with the enemy were filed in Newark, New Jersey. However,
they were later dropped, in return for Standard releasing its patents
and paying a modest fine. Farish had to pay a paltry fine of $1,000.

On July 13, 1944, as the war was raging, Standard Oil of New Jersey
sued the U.S. government for having seized the synthetic rubber
patents. On Nov. 7, 1945, Judge Charles E. Wyzanski decided in favor
of the government. An appeal was denied, when on Sept. 22, 1947, Judge
Charles Clark made the following declaration: "Standard Oil can be
considered an enemy national in view of its relationships with I.G.
Farben after the United States and Germany had become active enemies."

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/3203plot_v_fdr.html

The Plot Against FDR:

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/3203plot_v_fdr.html

I could go on and on, but most of the people on this thread know Iraq
is all about oil. The rest of the people might learn the truth, if
they were to bother to do some simple research, but I am not holding
my breath.

Most Americans can't even imagine the power of the oil companies. They
fail to grasp the power of the second most powerful industry in the
world.

These people have not taken the time to educate themselves and I doubt
they ever will. After all, ignorance is bliss and there are some damn
blissful people on this forum.

Of course few Americans actually give a flying fuck about the truth,
which was proven when we allowed 8 pages of the 9/11 report to be
classified and didn't demand some action against the oil companies
puppet government in Saudi Arabia.

We are all hypocrites.

We know Saudi Arabia was the home to the majority of hijackers, we
know their leader came from Saudi Arabia, we know half the suicide
bombers in Iraq are Saudi, we know they teach hatred for the West in
their schools and we know they fund terrorism, yet we do nothing. All
because we are hypocrites who enjoy our big cars, our vacations, our
warm homes in winter and cool homes in summer.

Yes, we are all hypocrites, putting stickers on our cars to support
the troops, but allowing terrorism to be bred in a country which we
allow our elected officials tell us is our friend.

Madeline Albright admitted to the US involvement in the coup that
installed the Shah of Iran to power in 1953. We helped overthrow a
democtratically elected leader.

Why? What was so bad about Mossadegh????????

There were two major problems with Mossadegh, however, as far as
both the British and American governments were concerned. First, as an
ardent nationalist he was a driving force behind an Iranian attempt to
nationalize the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, a British company that had
held a monopoly on the production and sale of Iranian oil since the
early part of the 20th century. Second, fiercely independent,
Mossadegh refused to do the bidding of the U.S. government, which by
this time had become fearful that Mossadegh might align Iran with
America's World War II ally and post–World War II enemy, the Soviet
Union.

http://www.fff.org/comment/com0501i.asp

The oil companies will not have to pay for the trillion dollar war in
Iraq, or the war in Afghanistan, that honor is meant for the American
people. Future generations of Americans will have to pay for the
privilege of US/Brittish controlled oil in the ME. DO YOU GET IT YET?

Some people seem to think the war isn't about oil, but these people
likely know little to nothing about the history of the oil companies
and their influence over world events. History has shown that the
WESTERN oil companies have used every means at their disposal to make
sure their finger is in every possible oil deposit.

If only people would make the time to educate themselves.