IAP Political Forum

A few days ago, that retarded idiot we have as our Speaker of the House, called for the genocide of Armenians by the Turks to be "officially recognized" as a genocide.

Now this dumb-ss-d AIPAC whore, is calling for a fight between the US and Turkey.  This is not out of the blue, as people have insisted.  This is very timely indeed.

I have been making posts in 1.0 over the last 2 years about the massing of Turkish troops along the Iraqi border.  Right now, they have 150,000 ground forces and have executed several bombing raids inside Iraq against Kurdish militias who have routinely attacked towns and villiages inside Turkey.

Turkey has threatened time and time again, that if the US does NOT reign in on the Kurdish forces attacking Turkey, that Turkish troops would invade Iraq and destroy the Kurdish.  Now, they are threatening the US with withdrawal of their support and their airspace.  This has NOTHING to do with calling anything a genocide.  It has everything to do with the US and its inability or refusal to stop these Kurdish criminals from entering into Turkey, with weapons furnished by the US, to attack Turkish troops in their own country.

Many of you have argued for a 3 state solution.  This developing situation is the exact reason it will NEVER work.  The Turks are very clear.  They will NOT allow for the development of a Kurdish state.  NO HOW, NO WAY!!!  If the US continues to allow the Kurdish this autonomy, the Turks will invade, and the US will not only be caught in the middle of a civil war between the Sunni and Shiite, they will be caught in the middle of a war between Iraq and Turkey. 

Now, keep in mind.  In 1995, PNAC, with Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, William Kristol, Richard Pearl, and a bunch of other NEOCON's specifically endorsed the idea of invading Iraq to fracture that country into 3 or 4 loosely organized states that will continue to commit violence against each other and draw Turkey into the frey.  Then they wish to use the US presence in Iraq as a springboard into Iran and Syria.  This was planned in 1995, long before 9/11, long before the BS "War on Terror."

So in the coming months when you hear that Turkey has cut its support to the US and refused to allow the US to use it's airspace, don't believe the dumb-ss-s who tell you it's about genocide and the Armenians.  It's about the Kurds and the Turks and the hate they have had for each other for hundreds of years.  When Turkey invades Iraq, don't be surprised, they have been telling you that they are going to do this for 2 years.  I have posted many of the news articles where they have threatened this.  Up until now, the erosion towards all out war between the Turks and the Kurds has been nothing but a secret kept from the American people, while this government argues for a 3 state solution.

And keep in mind, Nancy Polosi was head of the House Intelligence Committee when this administration told you that Saddam had WMD.  She had access to the exact same information that the President did.  She knew just as well as the President that Saddam did NOT have WMD, and that the information being disseminated to the public by this administration had been, at best, cheery picked to show something that was simply not true.  At the very least she didn't know sh-t one way or the other about the WMD in Iraq, but said NOTHING when it came time to vote to illegally give the President the authority to declare war.

She is just as intent today, to destroy any of Israel's potential competition for power in the Middle East.  If we let her, she will be instrumental in the destruction of Iran, Syria, Turkey, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia, all to benefit Israel and their CORRUPT ZIONIST GOVERNMENT, and aid in the continual dominance over the region.

FreeinTX   

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
   - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

So in the coming months when you hear that Turkey has cut its support to the US and refused to allow the US to use it's airspace, don't believe the dumb-ss-s who tell you it's about genocide and the Armenians.  It's about the Kurds and the Turks and the hate they have had for each other for hundreds of years.  When Turkey invades Iraq, don't be surprised, they have been telling you that they are going to do this for 2 years.  I have posted many of the news articles where they have threatened this.  Up until now, the erosion towards all out war between the Turks and the Kurds has been nothing but a secret kept from the American people, while this government argues for a 3 state solution.

The timing is so weird that  something isn't right. Why not condemn China, Korea or Russia? Some in our govt have argued for a 3 state solution...The same people who introduced this resolution...some have argued to just immediatley with draw...the same people who introduced this bill...
our government...read in a whiney, sing-songy "neeeeeooooocooon"....which I'd argue has evolved in the last decade to mean "Jew"....has fought and died for a unified, democratic, representative, terrorist-free Iraq.

nonetheless, the bill is a noble, just and extremele foolish piece of legislation.

I agree with you with almost anything but the quote above. Despite many small regional rebellions in the history Turks and Kurds have fought together in our independence war, and in general we do not have such a deep rooted hate against each other. 3 of our 7 presidents in Turkish Republic's history are Ethnic Kurds. Most of Turks now agree that Kurds are  right in demanding more civil rights and some respect for their culture and identity. In fact during EU backed demoratization process they have had many advances in that area, including Kurdish speaking private Radio-TV stations also broadcasting Kurdish Music, newspapers, journals, Kurdish local administrators etc.

Maybe that may explain the fact according to  the results of last election of July, despite 20+% population of ethnic Kurds, pro PKK  DTP has got only 3.5% of the votes!. That means unlike PKK and DTP; most ethnic Kurds are not seperatists. That's why PKK is getting more and more agressive now a days. They are loosing ground in the area!

Did you hear the news?

Turkey Resolves to Give Go-Ahead for Raids in Iraq
http://tinyurl.com/2yz3m3

Keep in mind.  This is not breaking news.  This has been developing for years.  The main stream media has been keeping this information of the front page of newspapers and off the cable news networks for a reason.

Turkey is going to invade, and they have precedence set by the United States government and its current administration, as well as Israel and its current administration, as justification for invasion and retaliation for the "terrorist attacks" in Turkey, committed by Kurdish "terrorists" in Iraq.  By the logic used to justify the invasion of Lebanon, the Turkish could easily claim "justification" for going after Kurdish "terrorists" in Iraq. 

The Daily Shows Jon Steward summed it up nicely with the help of Assif Mandvi on the piece call;

Turkey Lurking
http://www.thedailyshow.com/index.jhtml

People, this is all a part of a plan developed as far back as 1996.  By a group of people called the Project for a New American Century.  A group that consisted of,

current VP, former (THE LIST GOES ON), Dick Cheney,
former (THE LIST GOES ON), Don Rumsfeld,
former VP current sub prime lender, Dan Quayle,
current Presidents Brother, former govenor of FL Jeb Bush,
current editor in chief forbes Mag., Rothchild banker,  Steve Forbes,
current VP's convicted buddy, Scooter Libby,
former President of the World Bank, Paul Wolfowitz,
current US ambassador to the UN, Zalmay Khalilzad,
current senior policy advisor to Rudy GHOUL-iani, married to Midge Decker, in law to Eliot Abrahms, Norman Podhoretz
former NSC Senior dirctor and convicted felon, Elliott Abrams,
current Policy Director for AIPAC, Stephen P. Rosen   
current Christians United for Israel, Gary Bauer,
former Drug Czar and gambling addict, William J. Bennett
current state department, Eliot A. Cohen   
current co-shair with Rumsfeld on Committe for the Free World, Midge Decter   
current Under Secretary, Democracy and Global Affairs,  Paula J. Dobriansky
current Aspen Institute, Aaron Friedberg   
former Bush's counsil on BIOETHICS, Francis Fukuyama   
current Center for Security Policy, Frank Gaffney   
former Undersecretary of Defense Policy,  Fred C. Ikle
current publisher, "While America Sleeps," Donald Kagan   
current Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institution, Peter Rodman
former Commission on Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction, Henry S. Rowen
current Aspen Institute, Vin Weber   

http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

The plan, made in 1996, having NOTHING TO DO WITH A POST-9/11 WORLD,

1.  invade Iraq,
2.  fracture it into 3 or 4 warring states,
3.  Use destabilized region as reason for bases in Iraq,
4.  Use bases in Iraq as springboard into Iran and Syria,
5.  Future goals include Jordan, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia

Imperialistic domination of the Middle East and the prevention of any possible development of a strong Israeli enemy.

Paid for by the average American, through the devaluation of the American dollar, and subsequent sky-rocketing inflation, as the FED, a private company that our government pays to print a never ending stream of money, which is then loaned back to the federal government at an interest rate determined by the FED.  And, through the increased threat posed to national security by taking out $9 BILLION in loans from a MURDEROUS, TORTUROUS, COMMUNIST, DICTATORSHIP, REGIEMS every month to pay for this illegal and immoral war. 

All while these very same people move to destory our own nations sovergnty, our states sovergnty, our personal freedoms, and our GOD GIVEN RIGHTS!!!

FreeinTX

Another interesting twist is that the only people in our government officially calling for the division of Iraq are democrats named Joe Biden...Whom I'll take over Ron Paul in a minute, but I digress..If only Joe had a mind control-filtering tinfoil hat...if nothing else he could sell it to the turks.

The Constitution states  that the Executive branch, The President, is the sole creator of Foreign Policy...and that he and the Secretary of State are the only one's who should dictate our foreign policy.
Yet we have a new D-majority congress, seemingly drunk on their newley granted powers, with their speaker visiting Syria against the wishes of the President and the State Department. We have the legislature discussing the partitioning of Iraq, for gawd sake!...and causing trouble with Turkey and Pakistan.

But you seem concerned with only applying the constitution to people you don't like, and base it on Bull****...it's strange.

It does not state that they are above criticism.

OswaldTheOsprey

According to the Turkish media, today, including several newspapers and TV stations, Turkish jet fighters, helicopters and artillery have been hitting 160 targets in Iraq since three days ago. All targets are reported to be high-altitude PKK camps located in Kandil Mountain of Iraq.Although there is a substantial amount (apprx 20 000)of ground forces in near-border Iraqi plains do exist (in fact, they have been there for at least 15 years)no ground movement has been reported so far. Reportedly, three days ago  President Bush called Turkish President Gul and requested him to hold ground operations for another 3 days before US side decides on the possible means of American contribution in solving PKK problem. That possibilities are thought to include military methods such as a joint American-Turkish operation in PKK controlled mountainous area in Iraq. That areas by geographical means, are known to be one of the most harsh scenes for any possible  military operation

From now on, we are deep in the ME swamp.

don't worry the democrats will soon tell her to shut the hell up and color again.  Remember the "First 100 days of office" the democrats labeled as ethics reform when the took over the Senate majority? Yeah well after that they told her to shut the hell up, after the immigration bill fail she tried to pass, now she is ruining things again so they will make her disappear again for 6-8 months.