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Title: Potter Banned!
Post by: OswaldTheOsprey on October 26, 2007, 11:53:53 AM
A Catholic priest in Massachussets has banned the Harry Potter novels from his church's schools. Fox News reports that there are mixed feelings among the student's parents. Seems extreme, but there is religious freedom. What do you think?

OswaldTheOsprey

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,305061,00.html


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: bringbackwigs on October 26, 2007, 11:57:17 AM
Screw Massachussets. With the Red Sox, Boston College, the Celtics, the Patriots and now this, I just want to blow up that entire state.

However, it is a private school, even if they are all loons. That doesn't happen to be near Salem, does it?


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: Totino on October 26, 2007, 12:04:15 PM
It's a private school, they can do as they please if they don't break the law.

Who cares though. It's an extreme POV.


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: Major Zee Lee on October 26, 2007, 02:30:22 PM
Well, if the parents pay for such irrationalism... I guess we can just hope their children never grow into anything meaningful or influential... bee kook my friend, but be it at home... ;D


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: daedalus 2.0 on October 26, 2007, 04:48:08 PM
It's a private school, they can do as they please if they don't break the law.

Who cares though. It's an extreme POV.
This is the subtle line we must draw in a free society. Unfortunately we have to allow them to indoctrinate kids with their extreme view and those kids grow up.

It is a vicious cycle.

And meanwhile, a large number of kids are being denied a good education and instead are forced to look at the world through the eyes of scared, superstitious people who would rather warp minds to their point of view rather than challange children to think for themselves.

It is a Madrass here in America, and people accept it.


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: OswaldTheOsprey on October 26, 2007, 07:44:50 PM
Screw Massachussets. With the Red Sox, Boston College, the Celtics, the Patriots and now this, I just want to blow up that entire state.

However, it is a private school, even if they are all loons. That doesn't happen to be near Salem, does it?

Salem? You think they'll try to burn J.K. Rowling at the stake? :laugh: ;)

OswaldTheOsprey


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: Baldar on October 26, 2007, 07:48:58 PM
It's a private school, they can do as they please if they don't break the law.

Who cares though. It's an extreme POV.
This is the subtle line we must draw in a free society. Unfortunately we have to allow them to indoctrinate kids with their extreme view and those kids grow up.

It is a vicious cycle.

And meanwhile, a large number of kids are being denied a good education and instead are forced to look at the world through the eyes of scared, superstitious people who would rather warp minds to their point of view rather than challange children to think for themselves.

It is a Madrass here in America, and people accept it.

Shees, some people just say the stupidest things.  ;D


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: Totino on October 26, 2007, 08:02:32 PM
It's a private school, they can do as they please if they don't break the law.

Who cares though. It's an extreme POV.
This is the subtle line we must draw in a free society. Unfortunately we have to allow them to indoctrinate kids with their extreme view and those kids grow up.

It is a vicious cycle.

And meanwhile, a large number of kids are being denied a good education and instead are forced to look at the world through the eyes of scared, superstitious people who would rather warp minds to their point of view rather than challange children to think for themselves.

It is a Madrass here in America, and people accept it.

Shees, some people just say the stupidest things.  ;D
Kids say the darndest things!


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: OswaldTheOsprey on October 26, 2007, 08:05:51 PM
There seems to be a rash of Harry Potter silliness. Now a French philosopher claims the novels are left wing attacks on Thatcherite England. This article also points out that others accuse J.K. Rowling of being conservative. The eyes of the beholder apparently.

OswaldTheOsprey

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071026/wl_uk_afp/entertainmentbookpotterfrancepolitics_071026104803&printer=1;_ylt=Ah2vkikB618.J1xsnGgF4cnjOrgF


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: Abraxas on October 26, 2007, 10:03:43 PM
Yeah, as a private school it *can* do as they want. Feel bad for the kids though :-/.

I'm not gonna lie... the Harry Potter books are pretty good.

I went to a private school and a friend of mine wanted to do amagic card trick. Well, the teacher flipped out and said she hated magic and yadda, yadda.

I was a little surprised... and scared at the same time.


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: OswaldTheOsprey on October 27, 2007, 08:19:22 AM
Yeah, as a private school it *can* do as they want. Feel bad for the kids though :-/.

I'm not gonna lie... the Harry Potter books are pretty good.

I went to a private school and a friend of mine wanted to do amagic card trick. Well, the teacher flipped out and said she hated magic and yadda, yadda.

I was a little surprised... and scared at the same time.

She should be made to root for the Orlando NBA team. :laugh: ;)

OswaldTheOsprey


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: bringbackwigs on October 27, 2007, 08:26:45 AM
That shouldn't be forced upon anyone.


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: OswaldTheOsprey on October 27, 2007, 10:39:37 AM
That shouldn't be forced upon anyone.

Cruel and unusual punishment? :laugh: ;)

OswaldTheOsprey


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: micfranklin on October 29, 2007, 09:54:10 AM
Fuck Boston!!

Boston can go to hell and die just for this.


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: OswaldTheOsprey on October 29, 2007, 10:33:55 AM
Fuck Boston!!

Boston can go to hell and die just for this.

Gee! Beantown is on a lot of people's lists. (We don't mean A lists!) :laugh: ;)

OswaldTheOsprey


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: bringbackwigs on October 29, 2007, 10:51:50 AM
Fuck Boston!!

Boston can go to hell and die just for this.

Haha. I actually like Boston now. My website is getting flooded from people in the area because of last night.


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: chovy on November 09, 2007, 08:00:22 PM
Dumbledoof should've come out.


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: thief on November 23, 2007, 06:26:23 AM
As a former resident of Boston, I can say I am not surprised. I went to Catholic school for my middle school years(5-8) and I can say without a doubt that catholic schools in the Boston area are some of the best in the country. They do have all kinds of dress code silliness, no makeup for girls, etc. Catholic school is quite a bit different than say an evangelical Christian school, in that the catholic school doesn't really get into all the religious debates that evangelic schools do, they focus on the education.


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: OswaldTheOsprey on November 23, 2007, 08:51:27 AM
As a former resident of Boston, I can say I am not surprised. I went to Catholic school for my middle school years(5-8) and I can say without a doubt that catholic schools in the Boston area are some of the best in the country. They do have all kinds of dress code silliness, no makeup for girls, etc. Catholic school is quite a bit different than say an evangelical Christian school, in that the catholic school doesn't really get into all the religious debates that evangelic schools do, they focus on the education.

Which is the way it should be.

OswaldTheOsprey


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: micfranklin on November 23, 2007, 10:38:34 AM
Well as long as they're not spreading propaganda and stupid stuff.....


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: OswaldTheOsprey on November 23, 2007, 11:33:19 AM
Well as long as they're not spreading propaganda and stupid stuff.....

Actually, IMHO, since it is a Catholic school, they would be within their rights to do so, the same as any other religiously connected school. Fortunately, they probably figure it is better not to.

OswaldTheOsprey


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: Abraxas on November 23, 2007, 06:28:34 PM
Well as long as they're not spreading propaganda and stupid stuff.....

Actually, IMHO, since it is a Catholic school, they would be within their rights to do so, the same as any other religiously connected school. Fortunately, they probably figure it is better not to.

OswaldTheOsprey

And isn't that a damn shame?

My parents wanted to send me to a Catholic school. My ousin went there (he's now 30) and he says almost half of his graduating class is in prison for some form of white collar crime.

While ironic and funny... it's also kinda sad, but whatever. I didn't go there.

I went to the private school where all the jocks are now washed up losers and the pretty girls became sluts. I'd like to think think I turned out alright ;) .


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: OswaldTheOsprey on November 23, 2007, 07:16:14 PM
Well as long as they're not spreading propaganda and stupid stuff.....

Actually, IMHO, since it is a Catholic school, they would be within their rights to do so, the same as any other religiously connected school. Fortunately, they probably figure it is better not to.

OswaldTheOsprey

And isn't that a damn shame?

My parents wanted to send me to a Catholic school. My ousin went there (he's now 30) and he says almost half of his graduating class is in prison for some form of white collar crime.

While ironic and funny... it's also kinda sad, but whatever. I didn't go there.

I went to the private school where all the jocks are now washed up losers and the pretty girls became sluts. I'd like to think think I turned out alright ;) .

You are allright my friend.

OswaldTheOsprey


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: IamMe on December 12, 2007, 01:58:36 PM
It's a private school, they can do as they please if they don't break the law.

Who cares though. It's an extreme POV.
This is the subtle line we must draw in a free society. Unfortunately we have to allow them to indoctrinate kids with their extreme view and those kids grow up.

It is a vicious cycle.

And meanwhile, a large number of kids are being denied a good education and instead are forced to look at the world through the eyes of scared, superstitious people who would rather warp minds to their point of view rather than challange children to think for themselves.

It is a Madrass here in America, and people accept it.

Shees, some people just say the stupidest things.  ;D

Barney's right.


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: OswaldTheOsprey on December 12, 2007, 02:14:01 PM
It's a private school, they can do as they please if they don't break the law.

Who cares though. It's an extreme POV.
This is the subtle line we must draw in a free society. Unfortunately we have to allow them to indoctrinate kids with their extreme view and those kids grow up.

It is a vicious cycle.

And meanwhile, a large number of kids are being denied a good education and instead are forced to look at the world through the eyes of scared, superstitious people who would rather warp minds to their point of view rather than challange children to think for themselves.

It is a Madrass here in America, and people accept it.

Shees, some people just say the stupidest things.  ;D

Barney's right.

So what is your answer? Close religious schools? This was actually proposed by none other than the Ku Klux Klan in the 1920s (the KKK was anti-Catholic back then
). Strange bedfellows!

OswaldTheOsprey


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: IamMe on December 12, 2007, 02:26:39 PM
It's a private school, they can do as they please if they don't break the law.

Who cares though. It's an extreme POV.
This is the subtle line we must draw in a free society. Unfortunately we have to allow them to indoctrinate kids with their extreme view and those kids grow up.

It is a vicious cycle.

And meanwhile, a large number of kids are being denied a good education and instead are forced to look at the world through the eyes of scared, superstitious people who would rather warp minds to their point of view rather than challange children to think for themselves.

It is a Madrass here in America, and people accept it.

Shees, some people just say the stupidest things.  ;D

Barney's right.

So what is your answer? Close religious schools? This was actually proposed by none other than the Ku Klux Klan in the 1920s (the KKK was anti-Catholic back then
). Strange bedfellows!

OswaldTheOsprey

No proposal, I'm simply saying that it's wrong to indoctrinate kids. (Guess who tried to do that? Hitler! Strange bedfellows...)


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: OswaldTheOsprey on December 12, 2007, 03:22:41 PM
It's a private school, they can do as they please if they don't break the law.

Who cares though. It's an extreme POV.
This is the subtle line we must draw in a free society. Unfortunately we have to allow them to indoctrinate kids with their extreme view and those kids grow up.

It is a vicious cycle.

And meanwhile, a large number of kids are being denied a good education and instead are forced to look at the world through the eyes of scared, superstitious people who would rather warp minds to their point of view rather than challange children to think for themselves.

It is a Madrass here in America, and people accept it.

Shees, some people just say the stupidest things.  ;D

Barney's right.

So what is your answer? Close religious schools? This was actually proposed by none other than the Ku Klux Klan in the 1920s (the KKK was anti-Catholic back then
). Strange bedfellows!

OswaldTheOsprey

No proposal, I'm simply saying that it's wrong to indoctrinate kids. (Guess who tried to do that? Hitler! Strange bedfellows...)

It is a vexing situation to be serious. Freedom of religion versus indoctrination. There is sure as hell no easy answer.

OswaldTheOsprey


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: Abraxas on December 12, 2007, 05:24:22 PM
It's a private school. They have the right to be as stupid as they want.

Shame... but true.


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: OswaldTheOsprey on December 12, 2007, 05:46:08 PM
It's a private school. They have the right to be as stupid as they want.

Shame... but true.

Yes they do.

OswaldTheOsprey


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: IamMe on December 14, 2007, 12:14:30 PM
It's a private school. They have the right to be as stupid as they want.

Shame... but true.

Legally they do - but not morally.


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: Abraxas on December 14, 2007, 01:30:05 PM
Morality is... a fickle word, defined freely by whoever uses it and misunderstood by everyone.

Morality is like religion. You make it up as you go along...


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: IamMe on December 14, 2007, 01:53:03 PM
Morality is... a fickle word, defined freely by whoever uses it and misunderstood by everyone.

Morality is like religion. You make it up as you go along...

That's a rather...nihlistic view.


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: Abraxas on December 14, 2007, 02:02:31 PM
I'm a bit of a nihlist.


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: daedalus 2.0 on December 15, 2007, 06:52:41 AM
Screw Massachussets. With the Red Sox, Boston College, the Celtics, the Patriots and now this, I just want to blow up that entire state.

However, it is a private school, even if they are all loons. That doesn't happen to be near Salem, does it?

Wigs! I'm disappointed in you. Even Tom Brady and America's Team?

Maybe you mean when they are at an away game?


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: HumanBeast on December 22, 2007, 01:43:54 PM
I do not see what the problem is if the kids can read Harry Potter at home.


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: Abraxas on December 22, 2007, 01:54:23 PM
Because this isn't a high school where kids make up their own damn minds, but rather the influence of younger, less free-minded elementary/middle (K - 8) school children.

What's more sad is that only a dozen parents complained.

But yes, they have the right, yadda yadda, and no one's disputing that... but the very idea is rather sickening. I mean... BANNING books? What kind of message does that send? And can someone actually find me a person that became a satanist or a wiccan (which aren't as "evil" as the church, media and Hollywhood would like you to believe) because of Harry Potter?

And welcome to IAP 2.0 HumanBeast :) !


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: Leo on December 22, 2007, 07:06:08 PM

She should be made to root for the Orlando NBA team. :laugh: ;)

OswaldTheOsprey

Just thought you might like to know that in Australian slang the verb 'root' means to have sexual intercourse. I hate basketball, so I don't know how many there are in a team, but I think she might get tired.  ;D


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: OswaldTheOsprey on December 23, 2007, 08:58:42 AM

She should be made to root for the Orlando NBA team. :laugh: ;)

OswaldTheOsprey

Just thought you might like to know that in Australian slang the verb 'root' means to have sexual intercourse. I hate basketball, so I don't know how many there are in a team, but I think she might get tired.  ;D

Especially if they cleared the bench! :laugh: ;)

OswaldTheOsprey


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: IamMe on December 24, 2007, 12:04:09 PM
I do not see what the problem is if the kids can read Harry Potter at home.

Then logically schools shouldn't have any books except textbooks. If the kids want to read they can do so at home. And parents wont be able to complain.


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: OswaldTheOsprey on December 24, 2007, 12:08:47 PM
I do not see what the problem is if the kids can read Harry Potter at home.

Then logically schools shouldn't have any books except textbooks. If the kids want to read they can do so at home. And parents wont be able to complain.


Logically it is the staff and administration role to pick books be they textbooks or books for the library. If a certain book is not in the library, then the parents, if they prefer, can obtain a copy for the kids. My parents used to buy me books.

OswaldTheOsprey


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: IamMe on December 24, 2007, 12:35:22 PM
I do not see what the problem is if the kids can read Harry Potter at home.

Then logically schools shouldn't have any books except textbooks. If the kids want to read they can do so at home. And parents wont be able to complain.


Logically it is the staff and administration role to pick books be they textbooks or books for the library. If a certain book is not in the library, then the parents, if they prefer, can obtain a copy for the kids. My parents used to buy me books.

OswaldTheOsprey

Mine too, obviously. And the school is within it's rights not to stock the book. I just don't like the reasons.


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: OswaldTheOsprey on December 24, 2007, 12:52:36 PM
I do not see what the problem is if the kids can read Harry Potter at home.

Then logically schools shouldn't have any books except textbooks. If the kids want to read they can do so at home. And parents wont be able to complain.


Logically it is the staff and administration role to pick books be they textbooks or books for the library. If a certain book is not in the library, then the parents, if they prefer, can obtain a copy for the kids. My parents used to buy me books.

OswaldTheOsprey

Mine too, obviously. And the school is within it's rights not to stock the book. I just don't like the reasons.

Fair enough. Neither do I.

OswaldTheOsprey


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: OswaldTheOsprey on December 30, 2007, 10:53:05 AM
J.K. Rowling may relent on writing an eighth Harry Potter novel. From The Daily Mail.

OswaldTheOsprey

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/text/print.html?in_article_id=505148&in_page_id=1773


Title: Re: Potter Banned!
Post by: micfranklin on January 03, 2008, 02:50:14 PM
I do not see what the problem is if the kids can read Harry Potter at home.

Assuming they get to go home on a regular basis....