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by cutting all electrical power.

Children - and grown up people - with serious kidney problems will die, Palestinian doctors say. They are completely dependent on dialysis which is dependent on electrical power.

A case for the UN court in Hague?

LOL... You mean HAMAS is killing ill children in Gaza...by continuing to fire Kassam rockets at Israeli population centers, KNOWING FULL WELL what the reperrcussions will be??

How about this RADICAL IDEA... Hamas stops firing rockets at Israeli civilian population centers, and Israel won't shut off the power.. Then those poor Palestinian children on dialysis, which Hamas (the leadership they elected) obviously care so much about... won't be subject to shutting off of the power... HMMMM... lol

Hey, Reality... Do you remember how it was called the indiscriminated retaliation against civilian population by a sovereign state? ::)

and things remain how they are, and how they've been for 40 years. Stop firing rockets, and you can have peace. Peace behind the barb wire.

And electricity. 

Am I the only one that noticed that good old merry 'Robin Hood' didn't provide anything to back up this claim?  Just posted some stuff?

I can admit I am not completely up to date on this, but can someone answer this for me?  Why is it Israel's responsibility to provide electricity?  Should they be looking to to do it for themselves?

individual responsibility, no universal health care, and stuff, all good. The problem is that Gaza was occupied for 37 years and is now a shut-off enclave totally separated from the world.

Because they are the occupier of an entire people and there are some laws of war under Geneva Convention, which the Zionist state doesn't give a fuck about it anyway.

And maybe you are right: is not Israel's responsibility to do that, but than Israel shouldn't occupy a foreign land and try to steal Gaza's water supply. Did you know that the only reason Israel is holding on that Goddam piece of land called Gaza Strip is for it's underground water resources. In another words, you have zionists stealing from some poor human beings, even if it is the air they breathe (not that is something new that the world doesn't know about it)

Haven't they pulled out of the Gaza?  If they were occupying it, I doubt they would be allowing rockets to be fired from there. 

Haven't they pulled out of the Gaza?  If they were occupying it, I doubt they would be allowing rockets to be fired from there. 
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I see you don't know too much about the region.

If they pulled out, how come I don't see on the world map any independent state of Palestine ? Douh ?

Anybody else have something to say?  cat is woefully ignorant of the complex intricacies in the ME, so someone that knows would be really appreciated here...please!

too much talk about intricacies, just stick to the facts, they speak for themselves

The Gaza strip is a completely isolated piece of land. During the Israeli ocupaiton, it was Israel's responsability to provide the services required byt he population, but for obvious reasosn they made sure to plug services to outside networks, and thus Gaza's abbility to produce its own electricity is pretty low. All they got is old equipment dated to the time of the British occupation, and which was designed for far less people than it lives there now.

Put in short, Gaza obtained its power supply from Iasrael as Israel didn't wanted Gaza to have its own power supply, and so now Israel can just pull out the plug and leave Gaza without power supply. Provided that Gaza is utterly poor, its economy is a whole disaster as its main business partner is Israel and its main employer is Israel, then Gaza can't live in the civilized world if Israel denies them the services, as consequence of israel's own occupation policy whose aim was, of course, precisely this.

Which leaves us with the uncomfortable question of what is the name of it when a State undertakes a collective and undiscirminated punishment against a civilian population.

Or, as this cartoon told...

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1171/1427053107_1d1d400545_o.gif)

Gaza's status has never been that of an independent nothing, but has always been an occupied land (owned by the Brits, by Egypt, by Israel) wiht all the inconveniences from it... and a hostage civilian population currently trapped between rocket-throwing heartless motherfucckers and mass-punishing heartless motherfuckers. Business as usual.

Gaza in an overcrowded refugee camp (population density comparable to HOng Kong) isolated from the world. It was occupied for decades. Palestinians flocked to Gaza fleeing Zionist forces (often enough ethnic cleansings), and were refused to be accepted by Egypt (Arab solidarity). For 37 years Gaza was a prison where people couldn't get to a neighbouring village, or neighbouring street, without passing Israeli controls. Not a good environment to pursue electrification programmes, etc. Now Gaza is isolated from the world by Israel and the Zionist regime of Mubarak in Egypt. People can't even sell vegetables in Egypt, and the only imports coming to Gaza enter through "illegal" underground tunnel under the Egyptian border. How do u expect them to generate electricity?

The Gaza strip is a completely isolated piece of land. During the Israeli ocupaiton, it was Israel's responsability to provide the services required byt he population, but for obvious reasosn they made sure to plug services to outside networks, and thus Gaza's abbility to produce its own electricity is pretty low. All they got is old equipment dated to the time of the British occupation, and which was designed for far less people than it lives there now.

Put in short, Gaza obtained its power supply from Iasrael as Israel didn't wanted Gaza to have its own power supply, and so now Israel can just pull out the plug and leave Gaza without power supply. Provided that Gaza is utterly poor, its economy is a whole disaster as its main business partner is Israel and its main employer is Israel, then Gaza can't live in the civilized world if Israel denies them the services, as consequence of israel's own occupation policy whose aim was, of course, precisely this.

Which leaves us with the uncomfortable question of what is the name of it when a State undertakes a collective and undiscirminated punishment against a civilian population.

Or, as this cartoon told...

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1171/1427053107_1d1d400545_o.gif)

Gaza's status has never been that of an independent nothing, but has always been an occupied land (owned by the Brits, by Egypt, by Israel) wiht all the inconveniences from it... and a hostage civilian population currently trapped between rocket-throwing heartless motherfucckers and mass-punishing heartless motherfuckers. Business as usual.

I wrote an answer but it's invisible.


The Gaza strip is a completely isolated piece of land. During the Israeli ocupaiton, it was Israel's responsability to provide the services required byt he population, but for obvious reasosn they made sure to plug services to outside networks, and thus Gaza's abbility to produce its own electricity is pretty low. All they got is old equipment dated to the time of the British occupation, and which was designed for far less people than it lives there now.

Put in short, Gaza obtained its power supply from Iasrael as Israel didn't wanted Gaza to have its own power supply, and so now Israel can just pull out the plug and leave Gaza without power supply. Provided that Gaza is utterly poor, its economy is a whole disaster as its main business partner is Israel and its main employer is Israel, then Gaza can't live in the civilized world if Israel denies them the services, as consequence of israel's own occupation policy whose aim was, of course, precisely this.

Which leaves us with the uncomfortable question of what is the name of it when a State undertakes a collective and undiscirminated punishment against a civilian population.

Or, as this cartoon told...

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1171/1427053107_1d1d400545_o.gif)

Gaza's status has never been that of an independent nothing, but has always been an occupied land (owned by the Brits, by Egypt, by Israel) wiht all the inconveniences from it... and a hostage civilian population currently trapped between rocket-throwing heartless motherfucckers and mass-punishing heartless motherfuckers. Business as usual.

Why did Palestinian voted for Hamas (==> random rocket fire on israel civilian sites) if the consequences are so dramatic?
Why do they praise suicide bombers so much?

Only when you are in the palestinian shoes can you get a feel of the calamity. The source of the problem is injustice! You can not force peace when injustice remains. This is what the Israeli's and the west is trying to do. Now that Israel has got what it needed they are trying to forcefeed peace. No justice No peace.

Hezbollah has been called a 'terrorist' group by USraelis only, much like they call other groups that oppose them as terrorists such as Hamas, and of course lately the brand has been stretched to IRGC too. The same kind of tactic that widens the conflict by drawing in Iran.

Fredledingue, I wonder that you identify with the upper side of the world order, though you come from a nation that long was on the down side. How did u enjoy when Lithuania was recognized by the West as a legitimate property of the USSR? And the Russians trampling all over you chest was "internal issue". There are some in East Europe who embrace the US global domination for the sheer joy of seeing the irreconcilable enemy, Russia, retreating. The UN Gen Assembly vote record shows that nations that experienced foreign domination are pro-Palestinian while imperial nations with colonial "glory" are pro-Israeli. Why did Palestinians vote for Hamas... like u don't know why. Because Fatah was talking to Israel for decades and delivered NOTHING, except thick wallets and bank accounts for it leaders. While Mazen and Qureia and Dahlan & CO were living in their luxury houses and top hotels in Paris and Washington and London, and having nice dinners at Sharm al Sheikh, Palestinians continued to be occupied, repressed, dispossessed, daily humiliated at the checkpoints, and all the good thing of life under occupation. Fatah could (and will) keep on "negotiating", without any hope of achieving a deal: the Fatah oldfarts already have everything they want. Good life. SO they will keep on the spectacle of "negotiations". Fatah is paid by the US, and it's security apparatus is a branch of IOF (Isr Occ Force). They each have multimillion accounts in the US, and they have dumbed the Palestinian case long ago. They just want to continue like it goes now. Life is good. And their subjects will keep on bearing the costs. Without future and hope, remembering their lost homes and property in what became Israel, for which they received no compensation. Perpetual refugees. Existential dead-end. Their homes were stolen in 1948 once, and NOW their NEW homes are demolished by bulldozers because they were built without a licence from the occupying authority. While Israeli settlements are growing without any licence wahtsoever. And u're asking why Palestinians vote for Hamas.

Peisi, Fred is Belgian. Which somehow proves your point about the difficulty of being empathetic towards the underdogs when they dare to bite back.

This is just one of numerous warcrimes from the Israeli occupation force.

It startet with ethnical cleansing some decades ago. Almost 1 mill. Palestinians had to flee from the killing of children og women committed by terrorists like Begin, Shamir og Sharon.

Shutting off electricity from your opponents is not a war crime.  The others you listed are, and those types of crimes were committed by both sides in that conflict that should not have been, and would not had both sides accepted the UN resolution.

a couple points
1 - as has been pointed out, since there was no link to any substantiating article, does any one know if any of these threats to turn of the grid are true?
2 - If Israel made the threat, have they acted on it?
3 - Any one know if Hamas has any plans to reallocate some of the millions they are spending on rockets to, oh i don't know, maybe looking into updating power plants or generators?  Or do the feel they really need the rockets now that Israel has withdrawn from Gaza?  Or could it be that their own people will not be as useful as PR tools if they actually but some effort into making their lives less pitiable? 

Both sides are spitting in the face of the average Palestinian citizen and using them as pawns, their own leaders AND the Israelis.

This is heresy around here, and you should know it gomper.  The usual clowns will come howling that it is all Israel's fault.  The Palestinians have NO blame.  Ever.  For anything.  Israel should just cease to be, and every jew move.  Then in the ME it will be all peace, love and pink rainbows. 

power should be shut down,,, otherwise it would be sign of weakness when non educated barbarians should get education,,, during that IAF should bomb few government building just to make clear Hamas understands the following step...

Israel survived so far in that peaceful region only because it been as hostile as others around it,,, it should go further... No peace with barbarians,,, you either fight them or divide them for internal confrontations...

maybe someday Arabs will learn rockets mean no power,,, if Israelis wouldn't level Gaza after being loving bunny with Lebanese and not leveling Beirut it will make a huge negative impact on ME...


Furthermore how miserable are those "pacifists" who claim this ain't fair, Israelis quit Gaza now they cut power to enemy entity that claim to dream of separation,,, so let them be separated.

Only 37 years Peisi?? 

I suppose to you it only counts as "occupied" when it's occupied by Jews... Right hmmm   lol

as I understand, he was born and raised in Lithuania.


supposedly, sums up the Arab position. Israel negotiated with Palestinians, and every bloody time the talks stumbled over Israel's refusal to give back the 1967 land. Israel negotiated with Syria, and the talks hit the dead end of Israel's refusal to give back the Golan Heights (Barak insisted on keep a part of the area). Israel makes up 80% of the Mandate Palestine, the Occupied Palestinian territories make up 20%. Every single peace initiative broke over Israel's insistance on annexing parts of the REMNANTS of Palestine. Israel wants Maale Adumim, Gush Etzion, Gush Sharon, East Jerusalem, Golan Heights, other bits here and there, and air control over Palestine. When Palestinians refuse to concede another part of their homeland in addition to the 80% which they have already conceded, American media starts the screams about fundamentalism and inability to compromise and "Israel should just cease to be, and every jew move." Yeah right.


Israel bombed the biggest Gaza power plant last year. Whatever Palestinian can build in ten years, Israel can demolish in 10 minutes.

"""Flames rise out of a power plant after it was hit by an Israeli air strike in Gaza in this June 28, 2006 video grab."""

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0629-07.htm

Clearly Moshe's been teaching you history.  Have you ever looked at a map of the Palestine Mandate Peisi??  Or is this one of those examples of you, once again, seeing ONLY what you want to see, and ignoring the rest??  lol

80% of the Palestine Mandate??  lol  More evidence you've gone off the deep end.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_of_Palestine

I don't see why Stalin was wrong for sending millions to Gulag, but is OK for Israel to imprisson millions of refugees into Gaza Gulag ?
The only difference is temperature, maybe ?
Or for that matter, why Hitler was wrong? Can someone explain me slow and easy, I'm a little confused.

Yep. That's the only difference.


I know. No, no one can explain it slow enough for you. There is a wide ocean between "Can't see" and "refuse to see".


Ahk

I should have said "Mandate of Palestine as it existed in the late period". Jordan became independent in 1946 after which the Mandate was what it was. What I said was correct, but not clarified enough. The late period Mandate Palestine. Happy now? I was initially going to say "historic Palestine", but decided that the late Mandate was almost but not entirely overlapping with "historic Palestine".

Historic Palestine is small area near Gaza so i wouldn't go there Peisi,,, Palestine never was a country and there is no single indication of it's borders,,, unless you count Palestinians as Philistines but then you loose again since Israelites(with some of Lebanon, Jordan and Syria) had most of it anyway ,,,

 :-\ ::) :o

Yes, "not clarified enough"... lol... In other words, as usual, ignoring that which you prefer to ignor in an attempt to twist/bend the perception of the facts...In this case, the FACT that 76%-77% of the Palestine Mandate was given to the Arabs as Trans-Jordan/Jordan.

Yes Peisi, Israel makes up most of WHAT REMAINED OF THE PALESTINE MANDATE after 76%-77% of it was given to Arabs ... And of course, YOU wouldn't want to mislead this forum into forgetting that crucial fact, would ya??  lol

Israel makes up 80% of the Mandate. Your reference is to the Mandate of 1922, mine is to the Mandate of 1948. On the day the Mandate expired, it did not include Transjordania.


to locals. U find that wrong? Why not to the Scotish?

Jews forcefully ceased 80%, and occupied the rest, of the Palestinian homeland. Try to spin that. Palestine was the home land to the people who lived there. It was NOT the homeland of the Jews (except those who lived there as a minority among Arabs). Historic Palestine, the Mandate, but most importantly, the homeland of Palestinians.

LOL... Gee Peisi... I'm not familiar with that document.. the "Mandate of 1948"... Maybe you can post a link to it for us...hmmm   lol  (Maybe that document is hiding in the same file cabinet as the text of the revised Palestinian Charter...lol  ::) ) ....

You're were clearly trying to mislead. (big surprise)

As I stated: Israel makes up most of WHAT REMAINED OF THE PALESTINE MANDATE after 76%-77% of it was given to Arabs ... (Trans-Jordan/Jordan).

When one refers to the "Palestine Mandate" with reference to land... They're generally referring to ALL of the land the Mandate law/rule covered...which included what is now known as "Jordan"... Any reference specifically to land west of the Jordan river is generally specially notated as such...UNLESS, one is trying to mislead.  ;)

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/palmanda.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_of_Palestine

Couldn't help but notice that nobody has actually documented the original posters claims yet.

That's because they're bogus.

"Israel kills seriously ill Gaza children"...hasn't actually happened.
Nor will it, likely.

If Hamas hadn't overtaken Gaza & expelled pro-Abbas forces in June, this wouldn't
even be an issue. Hamas is a terrorist organization, regardless of
the apologist chatter here.

Call me silly, but I just thought if someone clams something, they should back it up somehow.

It would add credibility, wouldn't it.

Applauds for the name.

Yes it would do a lot for the credibility.  Even that attempt would help the OP's credibility.

The standard excuse from the Israeli lobby seems to be:

"If the Palestinans/the Arabs had not done this and this, then this would not have happened".

It is easy to turn this argument around:

"How would the lives of the Palestinians have been if they were not ethnically cleansed, like they have been gradually the last 60 years?"

This is the root cause of the problem. Israel still practices Apartheid and ethnical cleansing. Even today I read in my local newspaper that settlements on illegally occupied ground is going to be expanded. How can Israel expect any kind of peace with such a practice?

Psh..

That's nothing compared to the scores of 'seriously ill Gaza children' they're killing.

AIPAC has the power...I mean money, arabs have only balls...I mean pride.
When Iran will get the button, than the arab world will be taken more seriously.

When you go to the grocery store and ask for buying on credit more probably you will be shown the door and told "No money, no talk".
Same with arab world: "No button, no talk"

Arabs only have pride?  No money?  Only the Jews have money?  Seriously, do you think before you post?

Biker, silly you,,,

As you know Arabs in origin are Jews ( Itzhak & Ismael ),,, so when you have balls,,, cat_fta means pride you are Arab,,, and when you have power,,, cat_fta means money then you are a Jew,,,,

which automatically makes me an Arab because i'm nowhere near rich or controlling some oil station,,,


so,,, Alah Akbar,,, zionist infidels,,, i need button,,, where is my red button,,, sick of pushing keyboards around  i want the real deal,,, baboom,,,

Both the Palestinians and the Israelis are Semite peoples. The actually could be partners like the Scandinavian countries.

So Palestine was not a state? What kind of a lie is that? And how many Israelis lived in this area 100 years ago?

The lies of the occupant representatives seem to be endless. Like all other occupants and colonial powers. They justify their occupations and colonialisation with lies.

Swedish family,,, sounds tasty,,,

for those who never been to school (Robin Hood),,, 100 years Turks were occupying territory,,, that was previously occupied by Caliphate (Arabs) and previously by Romans, Greeks, Assyrian, Babylonians and Israelites and many many other nations,,,

Fact remains fact, UN partition plan and Arab disagreement with it,,,

What money are you talking about? Saudi petro-dollars?
That money is not considered arabs money, is just the king's money, same money that brought Bush in power, by the way.

Yes, I am sure you are right.  There is no money in the Arab world that doesn't belong to the House of Saud.   ::)

I'll give you this though.  While you may not grasp current affairs at all, or foreign matters, or historical facts whatsoever, you are entertaining!   ;D

The difference is that these dolts see NO innocent Israelis.
When a terrorist attack is launced against people, the innocents in both neighborhoods are just that...innocents. But if a group of people (and two of their useful idiots)are at war with innocents, then they will launch attacks day after day, week by week, month after month, year after year....if this happens and the now quotated "innocents" do nothing, their govt. does nothing (and especially if it is comming from just a few square miles of land)then the bystanders in that area become by default, by sometimes by choice (see above) the enemy, right along with the trigger-pullers and meat-bombers. Right or wrong, that is how it ends up...doesn't mean that the "under attack" people can arbitrarily kill everybody, but it does mean that the death and destruction of you and your property will probably be remembered as legitimate, even if you were just a bystander. Sad but true...blame whomever you want.
 
The Gazanians can thank their god for the grace and compassion of today's Israel in that, in the face of thier own sufeering, that they haven't given up hope for humanity on the wretches that defile that city, deported them to their countries of orgin, and plowed it under. Put this crap next to any othe country. You put it next to Sweden, fer cryin' out loud, and Gaza becomes a smoldering ruin.
Put it next to Russia...Gaza becomes a radioactive, toxic, smoldering ruin.
Put it next to an Arab country and Gaza becomes a smoldering, looted. ruin whose men were mutilated, and women& children were sold off into slavery.

No he doesn't.


Nor after he posts.

There was never in history a state called Palestine. Fact. Prove me wrong.

The only time in history the Pals had any form of self rule was... (please fill in).

Just one small problem with this post - it never happened.


A case for the psychiatric ward?

the post is in the future tense..."WILL die". That "it never happened" does nothing to refute an allegation about future events.


by the time the UN began thinking about partitioning the <Mandate between the Arabs and the Jews, it included only Palestine. No one, except the Zios, ever thought that the Jewish national home would be established in Trans-Jordania which never was included in the historic Palestine. My idea pertained to the historic Palestine, not to the Mandate. I happily substitute "80% of historic Palestine" for the "80% of the Manate Palestine".

Oh, I get, it, its like one if Untouchables "Al-Aqsa is in Danger" threads.


Nice to see there is still 'qwality' left here...

Only an idiot would make a post about potential future events like this.  I could make all sorts of similar posts about how Iran may get the nuke, how the may bomb Israel, how Hamas may kill itself down to the last member.  How the Palestinians may all come to their senses and vote for an actual government for the people next year.  And using your lame logic, you could not refute any of it. 

It is pretty obvious to anyone with any honesty that Robin Hood did not mean in the future, he was making a claim about something that had happened, that he didn't back up.  Your defending it and him in his blatantly dishonest post shows your true colors.  Thank you for admitting the truth about yourself.  Finally.

what an adequate comparison between the likelyhood of a collective suicide of a political group and the probability of hospitals affected by power shortage. A shot of a sniper.

What is so incredible about the scenario? Israel HAS ALREADY destroyed the biggest power plant in Gaza, and now threatens to cut electricity supply. What is so freaking incredible about the probability of such cuts affecting hospitals? Is there a guaranteed mechanism of providing power to hospitals independently of the destroyed plant and the planned cuts? Read what the UN said about effects of 2006 Gaza power plant bombing:

"The United Nations Human Rights Council's Special Rapporteur...
19 July 2006

On the night of 27-28 June, Gaza's only electricity power station was attacked and incapacitated.

Reduced hospital services are dependent upon generators that are unsuitable for constant, long-term use."

http://www.phmovement.org/en/node/243

Hospital services WERE IN FACT reduced as a result of the power shortages, UN says. Even those generators depend on FUEL, and fuel ALSO may well be cut for Gaza. SO once again, what is as incredible as the Hamas collective suicide about the probability that Gaza hospitals will suffer from the electricity shortage?

Read where UN does not condemn Israel if you find any? Do math SSer,,, US versus 60% of biased UN,,,

thanks, yahweh, but if UN says the hospital sevices were reduced because of the power shortage, it's either a fact or not a fact. If u allege the UN invented this out of thin air to throw dirt at you, that's different.

BTW, the thread name is "Israel kills..." in present tense.


Nice try, though.

Hm,

A topic for psychiatry? Of course: Occupants who plan in cold blood to kill innocent people, including seriously ill children, certainly are psychiatric cases. They were stopped by a strong international condemnation. Israel has killed tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians during the last decades. Also a case for the psychiatrists. One example: Sharon sitting in his headquarters in Beirut in 82, overviewing his fascist allies who slaughtered more than 2000 innocent women, old men and children. He probably liked what he watched (and did nothing to stop). Here is a link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/september/17/newsid_2519000/2519637.stm

And what about this massacre?

DEIR YASSIN MASSACRE
The first major most notorious massacre in the 1948 War was the massacre of Deir Yassin, a small village near Jerusalem, on April 9/10, 1948. It was designed to spread terror and panic among the Palestinian population in every city and village of Palestine in order to frighten the defenseless people into fleeing their homes out of fear for their lives, so that their homes and land could be confiscated for the use of Jewish colonialist settlers.

Two hundred and fifty people were slaughtered. Mutilating the bodies, even before death, the culprits cut off parts and opened the bellies of others. Nursing babies were butchered on the bosoms of helpless mothers. Of those 250 people, twenty-five pregnant women were bayoneted in their abdomens while still alive. Fifty-two children were maimed under the eyes of their own mothers, then slain and their heads cut off. Their mothers were in turn massacred and their bodies mutilated. About sixty other women and girls were also killed and their bodies mutilated. Such are the historical facts concerning the horrible crime perpetrated against the peaceful Arab village of Deir Yassin.(Encyclopedia of Palestine, Vol.I,.p.271).

All kinds of terror, also committed by Arabs, are cases for psychiatri, BTW.

The difference is that these dolts see NO innocent Israelis.
When a terrorist attack is launced against people, the innocents in both neighborhoods are just that...innocents. But if a group of people (and two of their useful idiots)are at war with innocents, then they will launch attacks day after day, week by week, month after month, year after year....if this happens and the now quotated "innocents" do nothing, their govt. does nothing (and especially if it is comming from just a few square miles of land)then the bystanders in that area become by default, by sometimes by choice (see above) the enemy, right along with the trigger-pullers and meat-bombers. Right or wrong, that is how it ends up...doesn't mean that the "under attack" people can arbitrarily kill everybody, but it does mean that the death and destruction of you and your property will probably be remembered as legitimate, even if you were just a bystander. Sad but true...blame whomever you want.
 
The Gazanians can thank their god for the grace and compassion of today's Israel in that, in the face of thier own sufeering, that they haven't given up hope for humanity on the wretches that defile that city, deported them to their countries of orgin, and plowed it under. Put this crap next to any othe country. You put it next to Sweden, fer cryin' out loud, and Gaza becomes a smoldering ruin.
Put it next to Russia...Gaza becomes a radioactive, toxic, smoldering ruin.
Put it next to an Arab country and Gaza becomes a smoldering, looted. ruin whose men were mutilated, and women& children were sold off into slavery


You are obviously outraged enough to lump an entire people into the guilty catagory...as outlined above, I understand how this can come about. So, which of the above solutions to the Gaza massacre factory do you prefer?

the difference is that these bolts have no means of selective targeting. the difference is that they have no luxury of having military targets in their reach. the difference is that they cannot have a comfortable flight over the enemy territory being 100% sure there is no surface-to-air missile aimed at them, and picking targets at leisure like in a computer game. that's the difference.

I'd like to see you try and back this claim. Good luck.

Here's a riddle for you: How many Arabs in total - not just Palestinians - Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians, the lot - were killed during the conflict with Israel ever since it was established? And not just citizens - soldiers, militia, armed forces of all shapes and form - all of them. Any idea?


Oh, and it would be interesting to see how many people were killed during the same time frame by "enlightened" countries such as the US or the UK. Care to check that one out? And how about other countries prone to critisize Israeli 'brutality' such as Russia, China, and France?


And BTW, do us a favour luv, also count the number of Muslims killed by their fellow Muslims during the same timeframe. Maybe you will learn something (doubtful, but worth a try).