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Vladimir Putin is warning of threat of a unipolar world and promises to protect Russia. Unipolar world and one world all the same-world dominance., It is a warning all nations should head-including the U.S.! From Reuters.

OswaldTheOsprey

http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USL0449803320071104

Putin is looking out for Mother Russia, God bless him!
I think we should vote for him for the third time and bury "Democracy" in mausoleum forever.

Bravo! To hell with democracy.

OswaldTheOsprey

Now I know why minorities get attacked in russia all of the time, because putin says things like this: "Russian President Vladimir Putin issued a veiled warning that foreigners were seeking to split up the vast country and plunder its resource wealth."

Foreigners have abused Russia. Putin looks out for Russia-not foreign interests.

OswaldTheOsprey

Yeah, because those African nations were really stickin' it to Russia in the early 90's  ::) .

Well actually prior to the '90s, those African nations were mooching off the old Soviet Union. For whatever relevance that has to this topic. ::)

OswaldTheOsprey

Different minorities are attacked by nationalists, not by government. Putin never said something like "Foreigners are robbing Russia, get the hell out.." Government doesn't inspire people to attack minorities, but unfortunately at the same time it doesn't do that much to fight against radical nationalism.

What Putin is saying, is that he is just against any form of global hegemony or dictate.

Putin regularly writes off billions of debt to African countries.

As for attacks on minorities, how about attacks on and abuse of the majority?

Where are you, democratic whiners?

Who attacks and abuses the majority?

In the USSR, the majority was Russian. In the falling apart Union, the "parade of sovereignties" has led to the situation when the majority turned into minority (in some "ethnic regions" Russians constuted the "physical majority" but they still were treated as minority). In the former Soviet republics Russians were pressed out from their positions/houses. So whether Western democratic ideologists like it or not, today Russia is for the Russian majority! 

To hell with what the West wants. Russia for Russians. America for Americanists.

OswaldTheOsprey

Green, if you bury democracy, you won't be able to vote Putin and won't have Putin.

Besides, I find Putin's comments meaningless.

One doubts that other world leaders find them meaningless.

OswaldTheOsprey

what if the next czar happens to be a lunatic? Occasionally happens to monarchs. And u have already burried all ways of restraining his lunacy (except the coup de etat, but it might fail).


how about native populations? Tatars, Chechens, Yakuts, and so many other. They were where they are long before Russkies popped up there. Dagestan for the Russians? That's like Africa for the Boers.

You mix up two different things, people: internal relations between peoples of Russia, and relations between Russia and other countries. Putin is talking about NATO, not about chechens, daghestanis, tatars and chukchas..

In Moscow they are not very happy about NATO expansion, about american missiles in Europe, about threats to use Azerbaijan against Iran and so on, and you are again talking about democracy and authoritarism..

Very good points.

OswaldTheOsprey

So do I...b/c we are already living in a unipolar world.

Sadly, you may be right.

OswaldTheOsprey

What did Putin said concretely? Nothing but redundant evidences for a cheering cround of proud russians.
I know Putin. This kind of speech is for the domestic audience only.

Perhaps so. However, anything a world leader says is known over the world.

OswaldTheOsprey

Tatars, Chechens, etc. are OK as long they follow Russian rules. They are not allowed to live in Moscow. They have be where they should be and pay taxes. On the day Tatars would like to have autonomy or independency they would be considered as American spies, nationalists, trators, etc. So relationships among nations inside of Russia is not so sweet either. Putin is talking about NATO, but Nato actually encourages those minorities to stand for their rights. Russia is a federation and they are afraid of further divisions. These small nations are fed up with Russia. What do they get in return? Many new small countries that run away from Russia in 1990 are doing much better than they would under Russian supervision. Good examples are Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania. They went even further and joined NATO and EU. Russians consider Georgia as a big problem, they do not know how to handle it. And other nations see it and they would like to get own freedom. On conterary Putin tells them that NATO is very bad and dangerous. He needs to say that, because these other small nations would like to follow Former Baltic States. If Tatars wanted their independency they would become Russians' enemies and need to fall into NATO arms. So Putin is trying to keep whole Russia in 1 hand otherwise it would fall apart.
Greetings
philY

Is your USSA a monarchy? :o

I am native population! I was born among Yakuts and Chechens! Are you gonna send me to hell?

Since we are on the Soviet/African topic, The USSR pumped money into murderous regiemes during the cold war to keep the power balance at the expense of millions. That being said, Africa is the hardest hit region since the end of the cold war. The greatness of democracy (laugh it up) does not automatically mean riches, they are actually poorer now, 50+ yrs after colonialism than they were 20 yrs ago. As for Putin, I am an American, but I think Putin is a good leader, putting Russia back on the global power stage where it should rightfully be.

Putin was a good leader once,,, when he made Russia back to political stage and made his OWN country prosper somehow... now he is far from what he have been,,, it's not just him but all Russian society changed for bad,,,

Good for Putin!  We need more leaders like him to stop this USraeli influence in the region which is greater than ever before. With the ongoing barking by USrael to attack Iran Russia must be very concerned of what is going on around her neighbourhood. You think the idea of partioning is a joke? That's what the USraelis have already tried by creating a rift amongst different minority groups in Iran azeris/baluchis/kurds,,,

The American administration has become a joke. people such as Rice trip around the world and give lessons. No doubt that Putin loves the taste of power just like Sarkozy and Bush.
Read this:

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/10/13/ap4216943.html

Once again foreign types like you want Russia in cold war with West so they will sponsor your inferior nations,,, hopefully Russians have enough brain to keep distance from kinds like you

USSA=SS? Not a response to my question about a lunatic autocrat after u "burried" democracy in Russia. Look at the US, see how bad it is when democracy is "burried"? A lunatic leading the nation into disasters. Want same in Russia?


then Russia is not for you, becasue, as YOU said,

And once again jews like you want the west to go into another war with Iran so they will sponsor inferior nations like yours: Israel.
Despite all your own crimes and violations of laws in the past 40 years pricks like you have the audacity to take the moral high ground and preach others what makes a good leader. That has the word starting with the letter 'h' written all over it.

finally you shown up your true face,,, unlike some of you you never lasted for too long to split the real deal you been preaching so far,,

don't forget to change it back next time you will preach democracy and unfairness of Zionist policies,,, just don't blow off yourself as you blew you cover in no time

PhilY, where did you get the crap about Moscow specific disallowance to Tatars and Chechens? According to my statistics we have about 100 000 Chechens in Moscow.This number is old, but I guess it hasn't changed too much.
As for Tatars they have a privileged position in the Federation especially in local/federal taxation ratio.
Sweetness of international relations inside of Russia is a function of penetration of liberalism into society. Euros can't stand each other too, so what?

Georgia is a perfect example how the former republic is "doing well". In fact NO post-Soviet country is any better than Russia, (except three Baltic mongrels) and we, the CIS, would be better off if we join our integrational efforts.

 Ahem. Billions of Western monies pumped into these dwarfs for the loyality to the Western masters.
They are the same olygarchic regimes like their former sisters in the East.
Tell your stories to 14-years-old-teenagers.
Georgia is a perfect example of mismanagement. Impoverished nation, broken apart, widely supported by Euros and Yanks and pigeon-holed as a show-case of Democracy to the near-by countries is under crisis. Saakashvili is oppressing opposition, driving away anti-government demonstrations, shutting up TVchannels, persecuting businessmen and finally endorse "state of emergency", in which conditions the new elections are called on, may I ask you what are you talking about? What the heck NATO has to do with Georgian economy and domestic stability?
Tatars must feel happy with Russia, don't you think?

Well, your point just proves that the system of checks and balances doesn't work anymore in the biggest and fairest Democracy. Look at China, no democracy, though, people are doing better each year. Common tendency?
Who knows, maybe, humanity reached a no-return point. Too wealthy, too healthy, too brainless...


There is no contradiction.
Let's look up the Cambridge dictionary.

Thanatos, you scary me sometimes. :D

There are ethinical Tatars and citizens of Tatar Republic. It is a big difference. The same with Chechens. Have you ever seen anybody with some Chinese look in Duma? Only Russians can have a good job in Moscow's companies. You can meet genuine Tatars there as well, but you can be sure they are not CEO's. Actually I mentioned Tatars as an example. I know a few Tatars who live in Poland. And I know Tatars are Tatars and they would like to have own country if they could. In the past they were a big nation.
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Why do you call those 3 Baltic countries mongrels? Don't they diserve own independencies? OK, Georgia has some problems, I agree, but it shouldn't be Russian problem. They have to handle their problems democratic way and themselves, perhaps with some help of international observers.
They are not loyal to their westrn masters, they are loyal to themselves. They have chosen freedom.
Ethnical Tatars are not ready to have own country. They all are spread around the world now. I doubt they would like settle down in one place, it is not their nature. It was just the example.
Georgia. I was talking about the past. Many nations looked up to Georgia and they thought Georgia could do it, they could do it too. I agree, now Georgia has a big mess, but we will see.
Greetings
philY

Funny, but a chechen is main ideologist of Kremlin: not many people abroad know him in fact, but his name is Vladislav Surkov, who is really Aslanbek Dudaev. He is the author of Putin's "Sovereign democracy", National projects and ideologist of the United Russia. Putin's speech at famous Munich conference was writen under Surkov's supervision ;)

I would also like to add, that it is very naive and old that NATO or whoever.. cares about ethnic minorities in Russia. Since when military alliances encourage struggle for human rights of ethnic minorities? I have never seen or heared about any NATO declarations or documents, that could help peoples of Russia in their difficult life. But instead i've heared enough about Brzezhinsky's dreams to split Russia up to several republics. Aren't they tired of that, huh??

True, they do not care. I do, so I would like everybody to be happy.
Brzezhinsky is a different case. He just wants Russia to be weaker. He doesn't like commies, he hates Putin, he hated Chrustchev, etc. On another hand Putin wants to have strong Russia and I understand him, it is his job. Our region's job is to fight back and defend our position. Poland, Baltic Countries, Czechy, Slovakia are in between of this fight... I am very happy Russia has no influence on this region anymore. They still want to control it somehow for instance with oil or earth gas.
Greetings
philY

Brzezhinsky is another Kissinger-a pompous ass who wants to run the world.

OswaldTheOsprey

not really. Anyone can. As long as u're loyal to particular people (more than particular principles). Jews traditionally have a good piece of shares in Rus companies; Tatars are among the most successful businessmen (or should it be "biznes-mne" ; "business-to-me" in Rus?). A few Chechen families control a good piece of the hotel business in Maaskva. What matters is loyalty to the boss.


he's Chechen? A few years ago Pavlovsky was the state ideologue; what happened to this prophetic technologue?


NATO doesn't give a scheise about those minorities, let this be written with the blood of Chechen children on the Crime-lin walls.


Zbieg is as far from the US decision-making as Ralph Nader or Mick Jagger. Zbieg represents himself and a group of intellectuals, and now possibly Obama, - no one else. On Palestine, on Iraq, on Iran he's on the opposite side of the neosons and the Bushist company.

A question for Oswald, Green or anyone familiar with Russian politics. What is Putin's position in terms of economic policy/taxation and social spending?

There is just a strategy of separate oil/gas supply for each of the european countries. I understand that it could some day give Russia an instrument to manipulate Europe. But there is no unity in Europe even without Russia's involvment.. Anyway, i think it is being made because of too.. enthusiastic pro-american position of the countries you named (Poland, baltic..). It could somehow limit american influence on foreign policy of those states towards Russia.

In fact i think, that US and Russia still have the same methods, but americans use aircraft carriers and russians prefer pipelines. I don't understand when one says that "Russia uses its resourses in her political goals". Who's political goals should Russia's resourses serve then??

Yeah, you are absolutely right. Tatars are citizens of Tatarstan, not Russia. They have different passports, rights and constitution totally different from the Federal one. ::)
Try to google  Ralif Safin or Vagit Alekperov or Iskander Makhmudov or German Khan or Mikhail Gutseriyev or Alisher Usmanov or Ural Rakhimov, even better open a Forbes Richest 100 List and enjoy it. Sure, they are not Tatars, but I hope Allah will bless Tatars in other positions. :P


I don't believe in "independence", "democracy" , "freedom" . It's just dust in the eye. Georgia is the fastest militarising country in the world. Their huge oil-transition incomes are spent on weaponry and military related issues. Add to that attacks on peacekeepers in Abkhazia (who are doing under UN mandate) and we will have a new Caucasian war in one second. 

This question is worth billions.

rightwing by European measures; strange mix by American standards; rightwing by Russian. Russia has flat tax on individuals at 13%, which is extreme right by Western measures. 24% corporate tax (35% in US). But universal healthcare (which is self-evident necessity everywhere but US). I'm not sure if they still have free higher education.

http://www.worldwide-tax.com/index.asp#partthree

Sounds Social Fascistic to me. Putin's greatness is boundless.

OswaldTheOsprey

Thanks Peis, that seems about right. That tax index is a great resource by the way.

They do. Each state university has about 1 payed student to 4 who are studying free of charge (i'm one of them :)).

just about the time to learn that Putin's economic policies were defined by the liberal figures of Yeltsin's era; Putin's contribution here is zero. One of the minds behind Putin's economic policy is

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Illarionov

who, as u see, now works in the US after declaring that Russia became a dictatorship. The entire liberal economic platform which Putin adopted is a fruit of the Gaidar-Chubais school, which, in turn, followed the Polish and Czech examples. Putin's role is simply that he didn't reverse the economic reforms that finally began to bear results shortly before Putin's ascension.

One trait of a good leader is to know when to interfere and when not to.

OswaldTheOsprey

4 the time wasted to post enormous number of nonsensical messages, u could do some exercises to make yar arse < Micheal Moore

Being called nonsensical by you is like being called ugly by a wart hog! :laugh: :P

OswaldTheOsprey

day will come and warthogs and other animals will call yar names,,, u goin right towards it,,,

now time for cake aye?

Nay. It is probably poison.

OswaldTheOsprey

a truly fascist leader is not the one who does the things but the one who enables the nation to synergistically taskforce. Appropriate people fulfill appropriate functions. In that, fascism becomes a perfected societal synergy. And that is precisely where we are heading in the West. So the detested by Oswald Brussels bureaucracy, unelected, unrepresentative and unaccountable, is the prototype of the  fascist decision-making entity of the future. Democracy is being redefined as ochlocracy. Citizens have fallen too far behind scientists in comprehending how the world, the economy, the psyche, how their own bodies work. Citizens can no longer be allowed to make decisions about their personal lives, for those decisions are uninformed. Citizens, with their rather meager cognizant tools, do not see how their decisions harm themselves and thus undermine the all-precious synergy of society. Therefore, citizens will surrender the decision-making prerogatives to governments, who are permanently kept up-to-date with the world by the scientists. Fascism is our future, like it or not.

We could have a worse future.

OswaldTheOsprey

You miss one point here.
That the society is ruled by scientists and it, eventually, consists of scientists, particular specialists which may not be incorporated into government structures.
Where is fascism?

Good riddance. Do you call a success harsh demographic crisis and total oppression of social insitutions?
What the hell of Polish and Czech examples are you talking about? Privatization a la Chubais?
Total deindustrialization and capital flight is the result of your phucking liberal reforms. Ask your Polish friends did they experience anything similar? Only a slight form of recession, eh.
Don't talk about things you don't get, mister.

Good riddance indeed. Great post, Green!

OswaldTheOsprey

scientists are ruled by government.


collapse. not oppression.


eh? There was no capital by the beginning of the reforms. How much capital ther was in 1990? 1980?  The country was OUTDATED (compared to West) in every dimension except military. Industry, communications, infrastructure, housing, most of all, - minds, everything was OBSOLETE. I remember though I was young. Many of my friends had to wait for DECADES to get separate hosing, living meanwhile in 'obschezhitiya" or "kommunalki". U had to wait for YEARS to get a home phone. People waited for YEARS on a queue to buy a car. There was not enough of anything, except supersonic jets and ballistic missiles. Tell your Ali Baba tales to Westerners who were not there in the USSR. SLow outdated repressive closed secretive totalitarian society with obsolete industry and perpetually malfunctioning infrastructure. Chernobyl was the outcome. The coal mines STILL blow up every few months killing 20-50-70 men at a time. What CAPITAL you're talking about? Capital only began arriving after the reforms commenced. The government screwed up , and the capital flew. Then came back.


why should they? They did it the Polish way. You did it the Russian way. Ask my Polish friends? OK, I'll ALSO ask them about the Kollectivization, the Industrialization, the Big Chistka (Cleansing), the GOLODOMOR of 1933 in my Ukraine that killed 3 or 5 or 8 MILLION. ALSO about GULAG and NKVD-KGB, about people getting arrested because of something they wrote in a paper and shot through the head  in a basement. All this crap my Polish friends did NOT have. They also did NOT have the a-la-Choob-ice stuff. Why would they? They did it the Polish way, you did it your Russian way..


don't do the things u can't, komrade.

Government consists of scientists. Society has scientists and laymen. Scientists and laymen are ruled by scientists in the government.

Oppression. Opression by phantoms of "freedom", "democracy" and their brainwashed adherents.

Capital appeared and left the country the very moment it appeared. The more money Westerners pumped in the economy the more money flew, leaving the country in debt to IMF and other globalized "freedom-thinkers".


Yeah, minds have become really MODERN. Boundaries were opened and drugs had flown into the cities, just a few years the Soviet Army left Afghanistan. AIDS reached the level of medieval epidemy. Though, you can easily buy a phone to order a new dose.
Or you can wait on a queue for a few months to buy a new Ford instead of "obsolete" Volga.
Or you are indebted to pay your lifetime for the morgaged flat.
Shilo-na-mylo.

Well, privatisation and so-called "reforms" in the sphere of hi-tech left the country without edge. Too much time passed. Add to that brain-drain. It takes finance of government corporations to eliminate the gap.


Tell your capitalistic paradise fairytales to those ex-USSR countries whose enterprises were kicked out of industrial chain of Union's "system of cooperation" and finally lost jobs.

Yup, Chernobyl as it turned out wasn't that horrible as it was thought in the moment. Who tells you that today other reactors are managed any better in Orange Ukraine?

Really? Links, please.


The Yeltsin's government did all what was told by Western Big (oil) business, IMF and other shyt-eaters. So there's direct responsibility of the West in what happened here in the 90s.


Why wouldn't you also ask your Polish friends about massive tortures of Soviet prisoners of war in the 20s then?


Your Ukraine? Small episode in the great history of the Chosen people? Ha-ha. So how many? 3 or 5 or 8? How many of them were Russian?
Hohlomor was just a part of Great Hunger that happened in ALL bread-producing regions including North Kazakhstan and Volga banks. Taking into account that Volga's banks were populated by Germans, let's call it an anti-German genocide.


Don't be too sure. ;)
They did it polished way because the West carried out anti-Russian Plan of Dalles (http://derzava.com/statji/plan_dallesa-voina_protiv_rossii.html).

Don't write about things you think I can't do.

government consists of showmen. Democratic government consists of showmen, autocratic government consists of thugs. They employ scientists for various purposes, decide which areas of research are priority, where the funds go, etc. If the US gov consisted of scientists, it would have a very different policy on every single issue, - Iraq, global warming, stem cells research, "intelligent design" taught at schools, etc. How many people u throw into violent laughter by this phrase...


yea sure yea. No one cared about oppressing your post-Soviet "institutions"; they simply collapsed. Too much trouble to oppress them. Same happened in 1917. WHo was at fault then?


Russians always see their own crap as someone's conspiracy. Ye rright, the CIA and Armenian mafia came to Russia and put everyone on the needle. Couldn't handle so much freedom ,eh? You need the daddy to knock u on the head and tell you not to mess with drugs. You don't have enough brains to make this decision for yourselves.


?! Typical Russian. So u need to OCCUPY a country to make sure YOUR people don't consume drugs made in this country? You have to keep 120 000 soldiers in Afghanistan so that kids in Moscow don't take Afghan heroin? Are there any other methods to cut the supply of Afghan drugs to Russia maybe? Think about it when u have free time from attending pro-Pooting demonstrations organized by your university dean.

And BTW, I know all too well, due to familiarity with a few heroin-addicts in Ukraine that most stuff in this part of the world is made DOMESTICALLY from DOMESTIC INDIGENOUS SLAVIC POPPY. Fancy foreign drugs are for fancy people with money.


and what was that hi tech outside of the military area? Zaporozhets? Anyone who lived a few years in Sovok knows that Soviet technology, whether automotive, TV, and most of consumer items, was hopeless. Some good photocameras were produced. "Otechestvennoye" (domestically produced) was a synonym of low-quality. And even it was in deficiency. People tried to use their WWII veteran relatives to get a car because veterans had a fast-track waiting "only" 3-4 years.


or you can buy a phone to order pizza (unheard of in Sovok). See, that's the problem with you Russians,  you have a choice to buy heroin or pizza, you chose heroin and blame Americans for your own choice. And want to occupy a country from which the heroin comes. Go back to Afghanistan, you can fight there both Afghans and Americans, everyone is waiting. The other day you lashed at Americans because...Russia accepted American education test system. U said it was crap. Well, if it's crap - don't take it, don't imitate it, don't parrot it. But no, with u it's all America's fault. Learn to be responsible for your own actions, tovarisch.


that's true. The curse of Western existence, paying the mort-gage until you're 60. And yet... it all comes to what share of your income you pay. Most Westerners pay a significant but not a crippling part of their income, have a comfortable housing (beyond comparison with what most people have in Russia), and still have money to buy other things and afford vacations in Bahamas.


http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=mine+Russia+explosion&meta=



and whose fault was it? They produced things that could not bear competition. But anyway, do you know how many jobs the West loses to China and India and Lat America all the time?


find a single episode where i even distantly implied anything "Chosen" about Ukraine or even expressed pride or smth/


oh mama. Here u go. Yeltsin was told to bomb Chechnya by the West? He was told to spend huge money on his residence rennovations by the West? He was dictated the terms of privatization by the West? He was told to drink vodka while on state visit to Germany by the West? He was told to bomb the Parliament in '93 by the West? Do u know how much money the USSR owned to the West? USSR, not Yeltsin, had made huge debts.

I don't hear any laughter here caused by my assumption. Sorry, bud.
You say autocratic government consists of thugs, while democratic one doesn't. Well,I can't fully agree. It's a moot point.
In Russia experts/scientists are both hired for or work in the government. Ever tried to verify what are their diplomas?
Just take a look how tensely Putin pouring forth stats, numbers, trends. In PR it's called "apeal to mind". Sometimes it works together with "apeal to emotions" when he tells political jokes, for instance.


They didn't collapsed, once again. They were oppressed. Let's take a "family" institution. It didn't fully disappeared. Though the number of divorces had increased, birthrates had fell, it is still here. The other side was growth of orphanage.


"Hurricane Katrina is a new Russian meteo weapon".
I have no doubt that CIA and State Department are keeping Russia under their Big Eye. And the recent reaction to Kasparov detention proves my point just excellent.
As for drugs, you know, teenagers is the first and foremost group that falls into hands of drug-dealers everywhere, Russia is no exception. It takes social programs to save them. Progams take money. Money are stolen by IMF. Democracy is thriving in full blast. Like cancer.
Well, the country is occupied by NATO now. Drugs "made in Afghanistan" is on hike everywhere including Canada.
Maybe, my dean will be happy to know that I don't take drugs and vote for President I respect.

How much puppy can he grow on his sill at home? Enough for one dose, maybe.

Zaporozhets? Why not? In the price/quality category it could fight for some nice niche among producers. Since Putin said it was his first car he bought for his savings of KGB lieutenant, the bolide could make a hit.
Anyway, Zapor plant is now Ukranian independent enterprise and it's their Ukro problem. Russian VAZ managed to open a plant for spare parts in Cuba last year. Chinese cars are also not the best in the world but they have a good sell. "Great Wall" is about to open a branch here.

who he? Thousands did that. I remember pretty well, the "poppy season" comes and drug addicts make deals with poppy growers. Local ones.


u talking Scandinavia? Marriage is getting exterminated there. Probably oppressed by IMF.


as well as little children who are later sold to bordellos in Las Vegas.


where? I thought we were speaking Russia.


which kind of proves that occupying the country of origin does not solve the drug problems around the world. So what was your point about the drugs rampaging Russia after the Soviet withdrawal from Afghan?

The fact is that the criminal dictator Kuchma was totally unnecessary for any purpose on Earth, and Ukraine is doing pretty well without the bloody son of a bitch, and without all that frauds and falsifications and coercion that Kuchma used, and your irrational attachment to Putin is laughable because he didn't give you anything (besides maybe the deceitful sense of pride) while taking away a good deal of your political freedom.

So what you are openly saying is that Ukrainians grow poppy and sell it under the rule of Orange Government?
Did I get you right?
You see, here in cold Russia, poppy doesn't grow outside (probably, thanks to Putin's FSB and his "repressive" regime) as Ukraine is no exporter of heroin into Russia either. Afghanistan is.

But their life span has Slavic trend?

Nowhere. Phantoms don't exist.

It's a proven fact that Soviet troops in Afghanistan stemmed drugs away.


You know, compared to Ukrainian everyday political chaos, elections and re-elections, Russia looks pretty good. Putin didn't break ANY of fundemental Consistutional rights.
As for Kuchma, his economy was growing 11% a year. No orange politico can even dream of that.

my reminiscences related to late 80s - yearly 90s. But it was like this both before and after. Both in Russia and Ukraine.


so it grows in the tropical Kharkov where I saw it many times, but doesn't grow in the arctic Kuban' and Stavropol etc which are way to the south of Kharkov. It might not be the best type of poppy to produce opiates, but surely enough to cook some bullion to get high. Botanics, yet another area of your knowledge urgently requiring upgrade.


i used to know people who were on needle, and none of them pricked heroin. They all used some dirty dangerous potion prepared from the local poppy. Real heroin in Russia is a luxury for the rich.


their life expectancy was way higher than the Soviet at all times. Don't tell me that vodka and pollution were brought to Russia by CIA.


well, then u know how to deal with the Colombian cocain. Put the boots on the ground, a "limited contingent" of 120,000 shall suffice. Same solution for the infamous Golden Triangle which will no doubt become the #1 opium-producer once Russian army eradicates Afghanistan. Same solution for any other problem u might have, like mass media criticism of Putin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Triangle_(Southeast_Asia)


it's called "democracy", not "chaos". Elections and re-elections, and if need be, re-re-elections. Here in Canada pre-term elections and minority governments are a norm, and no one calls that "chaos".


he changed the Costitution so that there are no more rights to breaks. Would u vouch for the fairness of the coming election in Russia? Honestly, do you really think there will be no coercion and pressure and "adminresurs" and fraud? Honestly?


the last year of his reign, due to the metallurgie world conjuncture. How much did it grow in 1995, 96, 97, etc etc. when he was in power.

Lastly, to break your heart, here's somehting for u to think about. In 2006, the Orange Ukraine, gripped by chaos, betrayal and incest, had 7.1%  GDP growth, without oil and gas and stuff, while the repared well-functioning Russia ruled by the wisest of rulers, full of oil, had 6.6%. So it looks like the Kuchmanoid old-farts were not a 'sine qua non' for economic growth, and the anarchistic oil-less Khokhly outperformed the humble and disciplined and full of oil Moskali, despite the crazy oil prices. Mysterious Slavic soul, soil and oil, eh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28real%29_growth_rate

your reminiscences must be deceitful and could be easily dismissed by simple statistics of drug addicts growth in Ukraine.
Read Evening Kharkov. (http://www.vecherniy.kharkov.ua/news/12854/)
Monthly stats. (http://www.aids.ua/statistics.html)

Early nineties is the moment when epidemy started.

Do you answer your questions yourself?
"Poppy raised in Ukraine is not of that type to produce heavy drugs." But still, heroin dependency is growing.
Plus, I am not sure Kharkov is a great place for poppy growing, Western Ukraine is much better, agricultural region, you know. No industries compared to the East.

Kuban and Stavropol poppy-growing, if any, is one more reason to give "siloviki" and Putin more powers to eradicate drug producing.


Russia, Ukraine, or Georgia, or Kazakhstan are the routes of heroin to Europe. Don't you think some amount isn't left in here?
Some info for your consideration (http://vlasti.net/index.php?Screen=news&id=241149):

Vodka presents in Russia a few centuries. Immunity got acquired genetically. Vodka is no problem, if you know how to deal with it.
The bigger problem is social oppression that caused more consumption of spirit. See above.
Pollution, huh?
China is more polluted than all post-Soviet space.

Does criticism itself solve problems? Why do you, demoschizoids forget about it? Pure critisism is a way to cretinism.
120 000 troops was really worth the effort. The war in Tajikistan, Chechnya and many other Islamic (and non-Islamic)niceties that followed the dissolution of the USSR affected millions and killed thousands. So Putin is right when he says that "collapse of the USSR" is a catastrophe of the XX century. Life didn't become better (in fact it became worse) except some East European countries.
Golden Triangle doesn't send stuff to Europe through Russia.

Chaos is when procedures, Constitution, High Court decisions are constantly broken like a chain reaction in a gain for power of one or another (geo)political force. 

Are you running temperature? Having a headache?
When Putin ever changed this Constitution?

Same goes for America and other "democracies". Just don't stick your nose into our affairs as we don't stick it in yours.


Don't be too fast, your heart will be broken in two.
Your Ukraine flopped down on ass right in the 90s too harsh.
Russia is spending  a lot into its infrastructure these years. 2007 it is expected to be 7,5%.



More info. (http://www.korrespondent.net/main/181320)
Have a nice day.

May? No may about it.

Good? Is that because those who oppose the established order just happen to "disappear" in Russia.

Plenty have offered the warning, though I'd heed it despite Putin saying it, not because he has said so.

One of the worst features of today's world!

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