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Title: Giuliani and Terrorism Post by: jpn of Seattle on November 05, 2007, 08:50:08 PM Here's Giuliani discussing torture:
Quote MR. HUNT: Let me try a couple of national security questions. Waterboard. You have noted the Congress has not outlawed it, and that you say it's not necessarily torture; it depends on the circumstances. John McCain says you are wrong and he says you haven't served in the military and have no experience in the conduct of warfare. Do you know more about torture than John McCain? --Interview with Al Hunt on Bloomberg TV. MR. GIULIANI: I can't say that I do but I do know a lot about intensive questioning and intensive questioning techniques. After all, I have had a different experience than John. John has never been -- he has never run city, never run a state, never run a government. He has never been responsible as a mayor for the safety and security of millions of people, and he has never run a law enforcement agency, which I have done. Now, intensive questioning works. If I didn't use intensive questioning, there would be a lot of mafia guys running around New York right now and crime would be a lot higher in New York than it is. Intensive question has to be used. Torture should not be used. The line between the two is a difficult one. A "different experience" than McCain? Yeah, a pretty radically "different experience," all right. After all, McCain was tortured regularly for five years in Vietnam, while Rudy secured five draft deferments. Let's see, that works out to about one Rudy draft deferment for every year that McCain was tortured. Pretty "different experience" all right. Title: Re: Giuliani and Terrorism Post by: Abraxas on November 05, 2007, 09:27:53 PM Rudy's a joke, and I fail to see how a guy like that is taken seriously when he pretends to know ANYTHING about torture... especially when the other guy WAS ACTUALLY TORTURED for a part of his life.
He's a completely ilegitimate candidate, but he gets record attention. How? Personally I think he's the anti-christ. I think his foreign policy plan is evidence of that. P.S. For the sake of argument, do you have a source for the 5 deferments? You know SOMEONE will ask. Title: Re: Giuliani and Terrorism Post by: jpn of Seattle on November 05, 2007, 09:32:27 PM Ask and you shall receive: http://www.amazon.com/Grand-Illusion-Untold-Story-Giuliani/dp/B000OFOUK2/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-1266042-8552805?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1194303870&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Grand-Illusion-Untold-Story-Giuliani/dp/B000OFOUK2/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-1266042-8552805?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1194303870&sr=8-1)
Title: Re: Giuliani and Terrorism Post by: Totino on November 05, 2007, 09:35:45 PM He applied for numerous deferments due to the fact he was a college student.... You don't think that's legit? I would beg to differ.
In 1970 he finally had a ticket to be drafted. But his number was high enough up that he was never called in. Title: Re: Giuliani and Terrorism Post by: jpn of Seattle on November 05, 2007, 09:37:19 PM He applied for numerous deferments due to the fact he was a college student.... You don't think that's legit? I would beg to differ. Gotta citation for that? Title: Re: Giuliani and Terrorism Post by: Totino on November 05, 2007, 09:38:10 PM http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/30661/
His defferments for being a law clerk are utter bullocks, and I think he shows his true colors at the point. But as for college defferments, I wouldn't hate on anyone for that.... Republican or Democrat. Title: Re: Giuliani and Terrorism Post by: jpn of Seattle on November 05, 2007, 09:39:47 PM In New York City they call the police New York's Finest;
they call the firefighters New York's Bravest; and former mayor Rudy Giuliani was New York's Lamest. Title: Re: Giuliani and Terrorism Post by: Totino on November 05, 2007, 09:40:16 PM Haha nice
Title: Re: Giuliani and Terrorism Post by: illy on November 05, 2007, 10:05:29 PM MR. HUNT: Let me try a couple of national security questions. Waterboard.
... MR. GIULIANI: ... Now, intensive questioning works. If I didn't use intensive questioning, there would be a lot of mafia guys running around New York right now and crime would be a lot higher in New York than it is. Intensive question has to be used. Torture should not be used. The line between the two is a difficult one. What a buffoon. Yeah, intensive questioning. whatever, the question was about waterboarding, surely they didn't waterboard the Gambino family. He stopped just short of how they had John Gotti chained to the floor blasting loud heavy metal in his face. What an ass wipe, yeah, I know about.... Whatever, just a fool trying to look tough. I'm sure his experience as a lawyer is more relevant to "enhanced techniques" than McCains experience of having "enhanced techniques" applied to him. Rudy Giuliani is a chode. TBH, I'd rather see McCain in the oval office, or even old Fred drivin around the White House lawn in a red pickup and a flannel shirt than have a tool like Giuliani in there. Out of all the Republicans, he is the worst choice. Title: Re: Giuliani and Terrorism Post by: bringbackwigs on November 05, 2007, 10:20:57 PM Haha, haven't heard the word "chode" in a while.
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