It's a bug yilmaz. Sorry. Try to remove some company names, especially pharmaceutical names. Sometimes links throw it off too. It says moderators must approve of it but actually there's no mechanism for that.





Ahk

jesus you guys need to chill out in here.


breathe. "cool green ocean. cool green ocean". Repeat.

Not favoritism Terry. Observation. I see a clear difference. I have no problem with you nor do I placve myself above you because I often find myself slipping into the same habits. Subsequently I am not judging you simply advising. Also I understand your behaviour can be affected by others.

It's not the swearing it's the swearing at. "arrogant shit" - and the like.

Secondly no one here is my 'pet'. I would rather not touch the place if I can so don't accuse me of pushing or power tripping: when was the last time any moderation needed to be excersised here? When was the last time I made mention in a thread asking for people to chill out? When was the last time a thread was trashed? This forum gets a pretty free hand and i'd like to keep it that way so please don't start acting like Im picking on you or going "Neopolean" because it's self-evidently untrue.



Ahk

Callum:

Callum, to anyone who can read it was obvious that I am not participating in this debate, but rather pointing out your inability to do so without name calling and ad hominem. That's just a "word of the day" for you, BTW, whose meaning you don't actually understand but instead regurgitate like a child who has learned a new word from the adults. Just spit out a little latin and maybe people will think you're smart? I don't actually need to look it up, I understand definitions of it you've never heard of before. I may assume by crying "ad hominem" in the middle of your own ad hominems is a plea for some kind of logic? I actually made no ad hominen -- which is defined as saying someone is wrong simply because of who they are or what they do. Like saying someone's point is wrong because they are a woman or an American or a "Bushie" or a liberal. So I haven't made one -- not a single one. Maybe you ought to look it up yourself.

The definition above is exactly what you've done in every single post on this thread until I pointed it out.

I pointed out your apparent unwillingness evident all over this thread to discuss the issues or points but instead to rely on name calling and your silly attempts at an Oscar Wilde impersination. Now i see how you post down in the P&R section. You do not run off the mouth like you do here. If you wish to keep posting here you'll have to do the same. This is why I posted to you at all. You sit there completely oblivious with all your simple-minded assumptions as to my position and character when my position has been made clear long ago and you have no idea. We kicked out some long time members here basically in your defense, so quit acting superior or like a victim and stop this, "Ahk is a Bush loving war-monger who is picking on me" foolishness. All that seems important to you is "My side" and "their side", and an intense need to classify people as one or the other then attack them or ignore them depending on which, and then to ignore everything else save the sound of your own voice rambling on about how smart you figure you are. How does it feel to be the "typical American" you play superior to by claiming you hate?

This is a forum. Points are raised and then they are answered whether you think they are stupid or not. Sure things can get heated, even occasionally mean, but only when mixed in with some actual addressing of anothers points.


Terry:

Please watch the language when referring to others.


yilmaz101:

I really enjoy reading your posts.  I respect your control and your ability to answer a point no matter how much you may feel it's ridiculous.


I don't know what's been going on in the ME while I've been busy but if it's turing into the flame fest it appears to be there's going to be some changes. I prefer not to touch the place and let you guys have your space but it needs to chill out a bit here.

Ahk

....a rational being who cant write one sentence pontificating about being a rational being without using school yard name-mocking. My you're such an adult.


How about another jaw of an ass reference from an ass? Man I hate pretenders.



Ahk

<bows to yilmaz>

Haven't gotten to your post yet but kudos for a measured response. Thank you.


Ahk

Please, do tell. What quotes were lies? What excerpts from the media were lies? What leader quotes were lies?

You can disagree with his conclusions -- I'm no friend of Israel nor do I believe Realityman presented the full story --- but what did he lie about with his quotes?

Either way disagreeing and showing why is what adults do as opposed to just throwing your hands over your ears like others on this thread -- (not to mention all the pretending) --- and acting like there's no other side, no substance to those quotes at all. If you disagree then that's what you do: "I disagree and this is why..."....you don't look facts and just shout "nuh-uh" over and over again.


Please, by all means, point out the "lies" here:




Haven't gotten to it yet but I will eventually....however a counterpoint (something people 'round here need to look up) isn't the same thing as proof of lying. Not the same as pretending the original OP had no hidden meaning --- THAT's lying.


Ahk

No that wasn't your point. Now you're pretending. Since you can't "man up" and discuss this with any adult sincerity I decided to ignore the rest of your post. If that sincerely was your only point with no hidden meaning like you're pretending now, then one would wonder why post it at all. Alone by itself it isnt' a point at all.

See? Now you go running off foaming at the mouth with pouty assumptions. You assume the frivolous imaginary positions you bark out like a know-it-all child apply to me when they don't and there's no good reason to think they would. Obviously the world is far too complicated for you to navigate without first dividing it all into "us" and "them". Talk about closed minds, (not to mention over zealous assumptions).


Yep...just as soon as you grow up. I could've addressed Realitymans points because thats what intellectual debaters do, as opposed to intellectual masturbators who dance around and skirt the issues like you do. I can keep my point, accept another, demonstrate why I don't think it's valid or why I think my point still trumps, but I don;t just ignore points and pretend they're not there.



Ahk

Whatever Callum. You're not kidding anyone. Realityman addressed your points directly and reasonably and you have no response except to criticize his use of bold letters.

You respond to his points with nothing more than to morph your original contention into a different example.


Actually he demonstrated an understanding of the conflict you were apparently unaware of.

Silly people often think smuggness sounds smart but the fact is he didnt give you one single 'political interpretation' -- something you do constantly -- he quoted leaders and historical fact. You seem unwilling to carry on the discussion in that context. Either you can deal with reality and introduce another factor or point, or you can't. Apparently you can't. Have you ever considered perhaps you are the one with the closed mind? Of course not.


It's one thing to sound smart like you usually do, but that impression gets blown away when you cop-out like that. And it's an incredibly obvious cop-out too....almost like you're scared to address the points or admit someone else may have one.

Ahk

Yeah well if I see one wearing plaid I'll let it go just for you.



Rest assured.

Only the cute ones. The ragged ass, mangy "street" bunnys -- you know the ones with dirty fur, a patch over one eye or the smell of vodka on their breath--- those ones catch a break.

Well....maybe this year I'll resurrect the bunny insted of crucify it.



The neighbors might appreciate that more.


Ahk

I’m going to crucify a cute little rabbit (after dying it pink).




Tradition's been in the family for years.

Ahk

Exactly! Where are the Hamas/Palestinian films questioning themselves?

None of the films mentioned in UT's article come close to the bloodthirstiness of some of the childrens cartoonss I mention.

Even so UT's logic (or game depending on hwo you see it) is as follows:

UT: "Here's a youtube that proves Palestinian Saturday morning cartoons are produced by Israeli"

Ahk: "Um. No it doesn't. Shall I post a youtube proving Islam is a cult or Mohammad was a pedophile? youtubes prove very little, if anything, generally"

UT: "Oh well forget what I was tryign to prove before with that youtube: that Israelis produce those brainwashing violent Palestinian saturday morning cartoons. Heres some 'anti-Arab' stuff produced in Hollywood"




So....what? These cartoons ARE bad or not UT? Because if they aren't bad then neither are those films you mention. If those films you mention ARE bad, bighotted or evil, then so must the cartoons, since that's the comparrison YOU'RE making, right? Which is it UT? You only get two choices. You don't get to squirm around. Either the films are bad and so are the cartoons or the cartoons are ok so then so are the films you mention.

So we've established that UT has no answer for masses of Palestinan children watching "how to murder a Jew" on Saturday morning except some loose examples of Arab vilification in bad films. The usual answer a question with a question.

I'll make the point again: with Palestinan children being brainwashed every Sat. mornign to kill jews what hope do these children have to live in peace?




Ahk

No but you're a squirmer and a liar. First off I am not comparing the tame vilifying of Arabs in Hollywood with the straight-up cult-like brainwashing and pushing to martyrism that these Hamas cartoons portray. I never denied Hollywood's vilification, but I know you are dishonest trying to rationally compare the two. Have you even seen these cartoons?

Can you ever answer a point without squirming? You're the bighot Untouchables....and one of the first clues is your lying, your inability to stand by what you say and your need to constantly hide your true motivations. Jeri is correct: you are no different than the white supremist.


Ahk