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1  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Thoughts on Hurricane Gustav on: August 30, 2008, 10:38:53 AM
Ya know I don't believe to ANY degree in any of this crap, but for those that do ... consider that this asshat Wiley Drake ( former vice president of the SBC ) called for christian republicans to pray for rain during Obama's acceptance speech.
 The weather answer to these politically inspired supernatural atmospheric petitions, is Gustav . Due to hit the N.O. area on day one or two of the GOP convention. The news cycle during the convention will be dominated by a Katrina class hurricane hitting the same area, almost three years to the day, bringing Americans memories of the administration's incompetence and indifference to that tragedy.
  Coincidental tragic irony or supernatural karma? You decide.
 
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"Stuart Shepard is invited to lead us in this prayer for rain any day," Pastor Wiley Drake, a former vice president for the SBC, said in an announcement about his plan. "Other prayer warriors are welcome not only to pray for rain but repentance in America as well." Shepard is the director of digital media for Focus on the Family Action, which pulled from its website and YouTube a video in which he asked people to pray for "rain of biblical proportions" during Obama's acceptance speech during the Democratic National Convention in Denver Aug. 28.
http://blackpoliticalthought.blogspot.com/2008/08/pastor-wiley-drake-prays-for-rain-on.html

That's almost Greek. Spooky.

2  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Does Obama offer congrats? - NOPE.... on: August 30, 2008, 10:33:30 AM
That's exactly what it was, I'm sure they had one for Hillary too just in case.

I saw the attack ad here in Ohio directly after Biden was formally announced. Word had been out about the announcement for less than a day. The ad had to be pre-made, the ad-space, held and filled that morning.
3  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Why do Republicans think like this? on: August 30, 2008, 10:27:35 AM
I know it appears like it’s just an inflammatory rhetorical question, but I am trying to be serious here. Why do Conservatives and Republican Party members insist on being habitually misinformed and ignorant?

Nearly all of my extended family members are proud card-carrying Conservative Republicans. Consequently, I have lived my entire life with an imitate perspective into how Republicans think and into what makes a Republican a Republican. What I found is that the beliefs, attitudes, and motivations of my Republican family members  dovetail almost seamlessly with those of the national Republican Party at large – much more so that those of Democrats I know (who generally tend to think more deeply about the issues and are far more nuanced in their acceptance of the national party platform).

There are essentially only 2 main factors that drive the Republican Party and drive Americans to stay Republican or become Republican – even when it’s clearly against their own best interest. Those two factors are Fear and Ignorance. Allow me to provide a few examples of what I am talking about. 99.9% of Republicans are Republicans are one-issue voters who can be categorized as follows:

1.   EVANGELICALS – These are Republicans who vote Republican based solely on Abortion and Gay Marriage.
2.   REDNECKS – These are Republicans who vote Republican based solely on Gun Rights.
3.   RICH PEOPLE – These are Republicans who vote Republican based solely on Tax Policy.

99.9% of Republicans are one or two issue voters that can quickly and easily be separated into one of the 3 categories above. Luckily, for Republicans, all 3 groups are extremely fearful of Muslims. Evangelicals are afraid of Muslims because they view Islam as a dangerous threat to Christianity. Rednecks are fearful of Muslims because they don’t know any Muslims, are ignorant of Islam, and as a result are racist against Muslims. Rich people are fearful of Muslims because the threat of terrorism and our dependence on foreign oil threatens their checking account, their investments, and their overall personal wealth.

 Consequently, getting  their base to turn out on election day is a no-brainer for Republican leaders. All they need to do is continue fostering this misplaced fear and ignorance among their constituency.  Don’t believe me? In the last two campaign cycles (2004 & now), look at all the Republican and/or Conservative emails you have received in a mass distribution list, then look at how many of them were not fear-based. I am certain the answer is zero. In 2004, it was that a vote for John Kerry was a vote for another terrorist attack on the United States. Today it is that Barack Obama is a radical Muslim and a vote for Barack Obama means putting a radical Muslim in charge of the country.

Such a strategy would never work in the Democratic Party because such a ludicrously stupid and false suggestion about the opposition candidate would never stick – regardless of how badly Democrats wanted to believe it. Democrats, as a whole, are simply too well informed for such tactics to work. 

Yet in the Republican Party, despite well documented and widespread overwhelming evidence to the contrary, false accusations stick like glue – because their party members are so ill informed, uneducated, and generally ignorant. My question is why?


The Republican Party represents a tiny minority of Americans, Oil/Coal, Military Contractors, the Gun Lobby, Mega Corporations, the super rich. They have represented the super-rich since Reconstruction. How does an elite minority manage to get majority votes? It is a dilemma, but one they are good at.

1) Shout about tax cuts. This works brilliantly. Rich people get lots of money to line their pockets. The average Joe, getting most of his news from TV, hears "Tax cut" thinks it's a good idea, even though he's not getting much of one.

2) Say government doesn't work, take office and set out to prove it. The average joe, sees not the sabotage, but the result. Again, because of TV. The average American is pre-disposed culturally to resent government and gets inclined to vote for those who stoke this resentment.

3) Wars. Lots of them. Big ones. They help their military contractor friends, divert money from domestic needs and distract the average joe from his sinking paycheck and schools with flag-waving patriotism. Since no average Joe never questions a chest-beating "patriot" in time of war, Republicans capitalize on war to paint themselves as the real Americans, and not to mention, trustworthy on foreign policy. This belief is only supportable because the average Joe gets all his news from TV, where details of bungled foreign policies rarely make snappy headlines.

4) They are gonna take your guns. This not only feeds cash to the gun lobby, it scares the average rural Joe into voting for them.

5) More moral than thou. This expands voter rolls by creating the impression of a party that is of God and a party that is not. This gives them cover for the cheating and blind theft that they regularly engage in.

6) Education is dangerous. Educated people are less likely to buy propaganda campaigns of knee-jerk patriotism. Education must be underfunded to the point of near destruction and college aide, especially must stopped. Debt will keep those have education quiet.

7) Lying is essential because any facts will get in the way of your propaganda campaign.

In short, if you represent a small minority of super-rich, get votes with God, a Gun and a flag, get into office so you can pay off your wealthy buddies, line your pockets and not pay taxes and destroy education so you can keep the propaganda campaign going.

The Republican party is a tumor that is best removed.
4  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Conservatives and incompetence on: August 30, 2008, 09:57:05 AM
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The Republican party has not only proven itself incompetent throughout the last few decades, but actively promotes ineptitude in government and punishes civil service.

  This is not a partisan problem.  This is a problem that cross's all party lines.  And, it is all a matter of opinion as to whether or not the majority of federal bureau's and agencies are necessary or even constitutional.  I also do not see the Republican party  (at least lately) as making any real attempt at reducing the size of the federal government, which, by the way, needs to be a major addition to any economic plan thats serious about cutting federal spending.  We cant have it both ways.  We cannot have "butter AND bullets" as Johnson so ineptly claimed we could.  So any serious economic plan will have to include massive federal employee job losses.  It's not punishment, it's reality.  Our former accounting General David Walker knew this and reported his findings.  But, who, especially federal employee's wants to hear that?  He said we are in a world of shit, nobody listened, so he resigned.  So it is still "reality or massive inflation"...The people have spoken and they chose massive inflation and a slow death for the dollar. This was the wrong choice because when the dollar dies those federal jobs will die with it, so instead of just curbing a lot of federal jobs and possibly saving the dollar, now both will die.

It IS a partisan problem. It is Republican POLICY to hire incompetents to "prove" their theory that government doesn't work and so should be destroyed and sold off to fill their pockets. Bitching about Constitutionality won't cut it. You are not an expert on the Constitution so you don't know what you are talking about. Such as the Federal Government is, it is Constitutional until the Courts say it isn't. Since no one is rushing challenge it in the Courts, your personal reading of the Constitution is not relevant here. It remains a fact that Republicans regularly hire incompetents to support their ideology.

By the way, you use the word inept a lot for someone whose analysis of most things is almost invariably inept.

5  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Does Obama offer congrats? - NOPE.... on: August 30, 2008, 09:43:00 AM
Yeah because McCain didn't attack Obama right after he announced Biden as his VP. Roll Eyes

With a pre-made attack ad.
6  Political Discussions / United States / Re: November's looking bad for the wingnuts on: August 30, 2008, 09:27:13 AM
Irwin, this has become so typical of you.  Answer the questions, Irwin.  Is it so difficult for you to admit your wrong?  How mature.

I have condescended to speak to you enough. I have tolerated your shrill bleating and gibbering wacky insults enough. I have entertained your theories without evidence enough. You say the dollar will fail. ALL GOLD BACKED CURRENCIES HAVE FAILED. Not a single one exists in the world. I trust the FACT of gold-backed failure over your crystal-ball bleating that the dollar WILL fail. I trust basic modern economics over crack-pot 19th Century romanticist economics any day.

Grow up. Stop acting like an ass and I may bother to swat your flies again.
7  Political Discussions / United States / Re: McCain/Palin - Ohh its gets interesting on: August 30, 2008, 09:19:13 AM
Sir, you can post from whatever source you care to, but the cold hard fact is, she has MORE experience than Obama.

Period.

There is no need to go any further because it's not debatable. Now, if you want to the break down #2 as being 'unqualified', then how can you, with a straight face, say Obama is?

Classic. Not the quality of the experience that counts with you, just the technical fact of it.
8  Political Discussions / United States / Re: She'll palin comparison on: August 30, 2008, 09:04:54 AM
He picked her because she is a she. He read to much into the polls that said a percentage of Hillary voters would vote McCain rather than Obama.

That's old news but McCain's an old guy. An anti choice woman is not going to appeal to them. The anti-choice might appeal to the wing nuts. He is also compensating for his age.

Won't make a difference. He will lose.


More Than 40 Million Saw Obama Speech

"More people watched Obama speak from a packed stadium in Denver on Thursday than watched the Olympics opening ceremony in Beijing, the final "American Idol" or the Academy Awards this year, Nielsen Media Research said Friday. (Four playoff football games, including the Super Bowl between the Giants and Patriots, were seen by more than 40 million people.)

...No other convention — Republican or Democratic — had been seen in as many homes since Nielsen began keeping these records for the Kennedy-Nixon campaign in 1960. There weren't enough television sets in American homes to have possibly beaten this record in years before that.

The convention that comes closest in interest was the 1976 Republican gathering, which averaged 21.9 million homes.

http://news.aol.com/elections/article/more-than-40-million-saw-obama-speech/153570
9  Political Discussions / United States / Re: November's looking bad for the wingnuts on: August 24, 2008, 12:12:04 PM
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That's because you are shrill. Most of your arguments are, "you moron" and screeching the apocalypse with no understanding of basic modern economics. You still have yet to answer how we are supposed to find 12 trillon dollars worth of commodities to pull off the market and put in a vault to back the dollar.


Irwin, in Fort Knox alone there is 147.3 million troy ounces of gold.  At todays average of about $800.00 each troy ounce that means there is $117,600,000,000.00...thats 117 trillion dollars, in Fort knox alone.
  As usual, Irwin, your mindless rhetoric is easily proven to be utter donkey crap.  Now that you mention it, I don't call anyone else a moron but you. 
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You have yet to explain how pulling all these commodities WON'T cause prices to skyrocket.

  No need to pull "commodities" Irwin.  Already supposedly in our reserves.  Is this enough to shut you up on this issue?  Or will you find some way to whine like a bitch about this as well?
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You keep saying the dollar will fail but you can't explain how.

  I have explained my theory to you a multitude of times.  But you are so busy spinning off in your own little ignorant whirlwinds that you don't hear.  Inflation, You've heard of it I'm sure, since you are so knowledgeable on economics.  The over inflating of the money supply by rampant government overspending and through fractional reserve currency inflation by the fed.  Compounded by the possible loss of the petro dollar and/or the loss of the dollar as the default world currency.  How many fucking times do I have to type this shit in before it sinks in?  It isn't that obscure a theory.  Big time economics wiz like yourself should be all over this shit.
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You keep saying it's a fact that the Fed caused the depression when it is only one theory. Most theories say it actually only one of multiple factors. You still haven't explained why returning to 19th Century economics is a good idea.

  It was a culmination of events, dill weed, but Bernake has already conceded the fed was a major contributor to the depression happening.  If you could use logic and reason, you to would know what happened, instead , your still juggling theories whilst wearing your aluminum dunce cap.  I believe in sound money.  Money that is a certificate of deposit, not just a piece of paper.  I want old people who save money in a coffee can for years to be able to benefit from their savings.  The way it is now, by the time they get ready to spend it, it has lost all it's value.  I despise this thievery.  The inflationary nature of fiat money gets progressively worse until the money is worthless.  Does this sound like a good thing to you, Mr. Economics?

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All this, and all I get is that I'm "inept" and a "moron."

Yes, that is what you get.

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Find where I called anyone else shrill. No, just you.

  The correct retort here is "who gives a fuck what Irwin thinks or says", so thats what I'm going with.



Wow, I would answer this but, well, you are being shrill and hysterical. Maybe you can try again without foaming at the mouth. Say cut the insult to info ratio back down to 90 10.

Speaking of mindles donkey crap: OOOO! The dollars gonna FAAAAAIIIIL!

Aug 16, 2008 ... The dollar surged to a two-year high against the pound and a six-month peak against the euro on Friday

It's GOOOOONNNNNAAAAAA FFFFAAAAAIIIIILLLLL!!

AHHHH!!!
10  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Obama/Biden on: August 24, 2008, 12:07:37 PM
It's a good choice. Veeps are supposed to be attack dogs in the campaign, allowing the top of the ticket to go above the fray. Biden is ceratinly an attack dog. McCain is has got an ad questioning the chioce and wondering why not Hillary. It's hysterical. Hey, McCain, why Romney and not Huckabee.

Who the hell cares what republicans thing of Obama's VP choice? As if there would actually be a choice they would not criticise. In fact McCain's attack ad came out so fast that it was probably made in a batch of attack ads for each potential VP.

Pathetic, McCain.

How many houses again?
11  Political Discussions / United States / Re: McCain pulls ahead in national polls 46% to 41%. on: August 22, 2008, 10:24:34 AM
If stupidity were a measurement of wealth and freedom, Americans would be the richest and the freest dumb ass's on the planet.

FOX News 08/19 - 08/20 900 RV 42 39 Obama +3
Gallup Tracking 08/19 - 08/21 2687 RV 45 44 Obama +1
Rasmussen Tracking 08/19 - 08/21 3000 LV 47 46 Obama +1
CBS News/NY Times 08/15 - 08/19 869 RV 45 42 Obama +3
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 08/15 - 08/18 1005 RV 45 42 Obama +3
LA Times/Bloomberg 08/15 - 08/18 1248 RV 45 43 Obama +2
Reuters/Zogby 08/14 - 08/16 1089 LV 41 46 McCain +5
Quinnipiac 08/12 - 08/17 1547 LV 47 42 Obama +5
Battleground 08/10 - 08/14 1000 LV 46 47 McCain +1

Looks like a fluke from Zogby. A wild 5 point lead when everyone else has him behind.
12  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Whoops, Patton's CIC Appears To Have Screwed Up Again on: August 22, 2008, 10:10:47 AM
Now you all bring in Powell?

Hilarious.

Why not Wesely Clark or ANY other General in the Army, Navy or Air Force?

It still doesn't fill the hole in Obama's EMPTY resume'.....well....except for his 6th Grade Social Studies class.



Howcome, with McCain's 'full resume,' it is Obama's plan that is being followed in Iraq?
13  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Has Anyone NotedThe News Today The Occupation Of Iraq May End Sooner Than La on: August 22, 2008, 10:06:20 AM
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Any opinion on whether increased violence might benefit McCain and the "hundred years" plan?

Anyone paying attention knows EXACTLY what McCain meant when he, off the cuff, said '100 years.'

To answer your question, the DECREASED violence has benefited McCain (and the country...and Iraq) and has hurt Obama as it has largely taken Iraq off the table.

You are hilarious. Without his supposed foreign policy claim on Iraq, what does McCain have? Economic credibility? Does anything you ever say have any bearing in reality.

Iraq is following the Democratic plan for a timetable of withdrawl. How stupid do you look.
14  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Deserving Of A Thread? The Funniest, True Typo I've Ever Seen In Print on: August 20, 2008, 09:05:02 AM
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We're Republicans so tolerant that if you disagree with us in any way, you are an America-hating terrorist.

Quite a generality. I've been on this board for years and have NEVER heard anyone calling a lefty 'an America-hating terrorist' because of a disagreement. Are you speaking to something specific?

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That fake nail is coming loose from your palm, there, wingnut.

What does this mean, (left) wingnut?

Wingnuts believe that they can be as intolerant as they want but if they can contrive intolerace in the other guy, then it is the other guy that is intolerant -- not them. It requires a lot of lying to paint the Republican party where nearly all the moderates have been driven out as tolerant. Remember Lincoln Chaffee? I don't care how long you've been on this board, calling anyone who disagrees with right wing dogma an America-hating terrorist-lovers is the standard right wing line of BS for those who oppose Bush's policies. Michael Moore is regularly called an America-hater. I was when I opposed the war. The Right wing employs the same tactic everywhere in history, behave like a thug then act like you are being martyred. Attack, then act like the victim. Act intolerant then accuse others of it, hate and accuse of hate.
15  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Change on: August 20, 2008, 08:44:15 AM
When the elections started I never heard of Ron Paul. Then everyone started talking about how he would be the best candidate so I started to find out more about him. The more I listened to Ron Paul the more I realized he is an idiot. I always wondered why he ran on the Republican ticket rather the democratic one where his views seem to be more in line with. Get rid of the IRS, stop printing the dollar (and adopt the euro?), get rid of defense alliances, his ideas are off the wall and will put us in third world status quicker than you can imagine. He is an isolationist and does not realize that what happens in this world affects us all no matter how much you try to stay out of it. No Sir, No Ron Paul for me send this guy to the nuthouse

He didn't run on the Dem ticket because he is not a Dem. It is not a position of my party that a Congressman should be telling us what the Constitution means, and his particular interpretation of it is hogwash in any party. He opposed the war on one of his rigid, unrealistic, pointy-headed principles, not because it was just a stupid idea.
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