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Political Discussions / United States / Re: Republicans Struggle With Race
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on: January 07, 2009, 01:31:48 PM
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Racist condescension and Lie #1: "Democrats have done a splendid job of convincing "the minority community that they are victims and that they are owed something. In particular, a check." The "minority" comunity, as in, all those minorities are on welfare or Lie#2: "The slums of the inner cities are an absolute direct result of failed Democrat policies". Which I disproved throughly by showing that the poverty level fell until the mid seventies when welfare cuts were instituted Lie#3 "Fatherless homes are a direct result of failed Democrat policies." You arrogance is so complete, you don't even think you have to prove this. Mebbe you didn't see the stories about how teen pregnancies increased under the Bush/GOP Congress Lie#4 "High drop-out rates are a direct result of Democrat policies." Once again, you breathtaking arrogance. Racist condescension and Lie #5 "And then to beg every election year for the vote of minorities while holding their monthly check over their heads?" Yep, over 90% of the black vote goes Dem, because they're all on welfare. You racist douche. |
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Political Discussions / United States / Re: We the people have been robbed...
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on: January 06, 2009, 02:09:41 PM
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1. IN A CRISIS (please stop editing me for you own spin) Congress ALWAYS needs leadership. Congress has 'leadership'...sort of...Harry and Nancy. I realize they are not on the ball, as you do, as America does. So we are in complete agreement. They suck and Bush didn't help them along with their job. 2. You can distort reality all you want again and again, but Fannie and Freddie are not the mortgage industry, nor the financial industry, but two exceptions to Bush's irresponsible hands-off deregulatory lunacy. AND HIS CRONY DECIDED THEY WERE JUST FINE. You are right about the first. They only guarantee mortgages. Why do you keep calling Barry Frank a Bush 'CRONY?' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4&feature=relatedThis has some interesting facts on Fan and Fred. Try again: IN A CRISIS, I repeat, IN A CRISIS, What other language do you speak? IN A CRISIS, leadership, that is IN A CRISIS, Congress needs leadership from THE PRESIDENT. Are we clear? CRISIS = PRESIDENTIAL LEADERSHIP. I also pointed out that Bush's appointee, Karikash, was empowered to set conditions. He did not. Why do you deny that Fan and Fred were given a pass by Frank? Why do you accept that wanting half-assed regulation on two mortgage giants and failing, is the same as reigning in BOTH the mortgage AND financial industry? Because Bush did it, it must be right. |
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Political Discussions / United States / Re: America's getting more ignoranter...
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on: January 06, 2009, 01:56:10 PM
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Well Obama is not going do any thing .If any thing he will be like Bush.
Most governments say 100 things they are going to do and when in power they do nothing.Do to economy so bad he is going to have to support business and do cut backs.
And the US debt is really bad.So he is going to have to give tax cuts ans spend less.
Actually, no. The economic conditions warrant more spending, not less, as the lesser of two evils. It has been pointed out before. The debt is 60% of GDP. After WWII it was 120% of GDP. Big spender Bush has made a mess but we're still going to have to spend more to get out of it. |
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Political Discussions / United States / Re: Republicans Struggle With Race
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on: January 06, 2009, 01:50:50 PM
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I was hoping that at least one right-winger in this forum would be able to honestly address the issue. The failure of Republicans to do so on the national scene will indeed be bad news for the party. Actually, I did and you admitted in your very first sentence. Democrats have done a splendid job of convincing the minority community that they are victims and that they are owed something. In particular, a check. The slums of the inner cities are an absolute direct result of failed Democrat policies. Fatherless homes are a direct result of failed Democrat policies. High drop-out rates are a direct result of Democrat policies. You must be so proud. And then to beg every election year for the vote of minorities while holding their monthly check over their heads? Wow...a real success story. If Neue is any indication, the GOP is doomed. Yes, as the voice of the GOP, he has exhibited precisely the condescension (you people are too stupid know what's good for ya) stereotypes, (all you black people are on welfare) and lies (welfare causes poverty, a fact definitively disproved to Mr. Wrong again and again) that alienates at least 90% of the black vote again and again. It would never occur to him that it was small, local governments that made Jim Crow possible and the intervention of the Federal government that broke it. It would never occur to him that it was Kennedy who directly intervened on behalf of Civil Rights and Johnson who sacrificed the Southern white vote for a generation to push it through. Naturally, a post as thorough as yours cannot be answered without strawmen and lies. |
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Political Discussions / United States / Re: When Will the Recession End?
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on: December 31, 2008, 11:41:12 AM
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I'm no real estate expert but I believe that housing markets are only coming down to where they should be before they were artificially pumped up. Bang on the money. Only a lunatic could think the prices in recent years could in any way be realistic. There also was massive over-building. But some of these new developments are now ghost towns. It will take about ten years for demand to recover enough to fill them again. I thought it was a good idea to buy up the bad homes and close them up until the market recovers. |
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Political Discussions / United States / Re: We the people have been robbed...
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on: December 31, 2008, 11:25:57 AM
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The Democratic majority began in January, 2007, after most horses had left the barn. Period? I'm talking about the response in October 2008. Still to this day I fail to see how it was a democratic majority considering it was 51-49 and Joe Lieberman was one of the democrats. It's more like a dead even split in all reality. The House (with 236 Democrats and 198 Republicans) wrote these bailout bills, not the Senate. And to be clear, I'm talking about what Congress did AFTER this crisis came to fruition (sp?). In a crisis, you have to pass a bill that the other half of the Senate AND the President will sign. TARP basically gave Bush's Treasury secratary permission to act to stem the crisis. Paulson has been scattered in his approach which is informed by his Bush Administration philosophy of letting business decide. Paulsen could very easily have set conditions, even the President. But he chose not to. TARP established the Office of Financial Stability: --The Office of Financial Stability is a new office within the Office of Domestic Finance of the United States Treasury created by the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 to operate the Troubled Assets Relief Program.[1] OFS is headed by an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, appointed by the President, confirmed by the Senate, except that an interim Assistant Secretary may be appointed by the Secretary. [2] On October 6, 2008, it was announced that Neel Kashkari, a former executive at Goldman Sachs, would be the interim head of the Office of Financial Stability.[3]--- So, Bush appoints a former exec of Goldman Sachs to decide who gets money. SHOCKINGLY, Mr. Kashkari asked for no conditions or oversite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Financial_Stability |
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Political Discussions / United States / Re: We the people have been robbed...
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on: December 31, 2008, 11:14:28 AM
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No, I would ask of Bush what I would ask of any president in a crisis. Leadership. We have not had it here. Read a little history from before this administration. There is a thing called leadership. Look to what Obama is doing. Leadership. I have to agree with Irwin here. Bush didn't do a good job recognizing how inept the leadership in Congress truly is/was and their need for leadership outside their own body. No, he wanted to reg. fannie and fredie. Then his guy said they were . fine. Yes, exactly. Bush wanted to regulate Fannie and Freddie. The Democrats stood in the way of regulation with Barney Frank leading the charge. It was he who said everything was fine. That actually may have been his EXACT quote. Democrats stood in the way of that regulation no matter how one slices it. 1. IN A CRISIS (please stop editing me for you own spin) Congress ALWAYS needs leadership. 2. You can distort reality all you want again and again, but Fannie and Freddie are not the mortgage industry, nor the financial industry, but two exceptions to Bush's irresponsible hands-off deregulatory lunacy. AND HIS CRONY DECIDED THEY WERE JUST FINE. I realize that in your world, halfassed failure is heroic effort as long as it is the half-assed failure of Bush. But that is not reality. You are one of the last of the enabling minions of the "Excuses Administration." |
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Political Discussions / United States / Re: We the people have been robbed...
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on: December 29, 2008, 09:21:24 AM
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Congress writes and signs bills into law... and you wanna turn around and blame Bush for how a Democratic House and Senate CHOSE to fix the crisis?
That seems... irresponsible.
No, I would ask of Bush what I would ask of any president in a crisis. Leadership. We have not had it here. Read a little history from before this administration. There is a thing called leadership. Look to what Obama is doing. Leadership. |
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Political Discussions / United States / Re: Freedom of Religion
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on: December 26, 2008, 01:45:47 PM
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She made it a religous argument when she shouldn't have.
She was irresponsible... but so was the judge in making this an issue.
She made it a religious issue because -- to her -- it was. It is not "headgear" to her, it is literally an article of faith. The scarf cannot be removed in public without violating her religion. |
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Political Discussions / United States / Re: We the people have been robbed...
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on: December 26, 2008, 01:40:18 PM
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The Democrats didn't exactly fight hard to get more oversight in the second bill. They were happier with pork.
This was a crisis situation that required leadership, not Congressional debate. The country and the Congress have to look as a body to the president for leadership. The concept that that is the most important part of the President's job has been lost. There is a culture of no accountability in the White House that basically developed after 9/11. They could do no wrong. They took us to war, and until Katrina, they still could do no wrong. They learned to operate on isolation behind a wall of lies and excuses. They exposed a fundamental flaw in our system, where the President can ignore whatever law he wants. They altered the idea of leadership to mean, "someone who blames others." Look at the fundamental differences between Bush and Obama on this issue. Bush, no strings, no oversight. Obama has been very clear that is not how he will be doing things. |
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Political Discussions / United States / Re: How did we get here?
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on: December 26, 2008, 01:25:26 PM
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Is there a chance this is more ideological then political? The way "credit" turned into fake money used to buy what we want and not what need?
Sure it's vague, but I see a problem developing that's not being properly addressed. We seem all to eager to blame politicians, bankers and the all-together greedy, but not ourselves who have a systemic problem with money? Maybe it's too nebulous of a thing to really make an issue of, but maybe it's something woth considering?
It's a lot less sexy then blaming the "powerful"... but it seems more responsible.
It is a cultural problem, sure. |
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Political Discussions / United States / America's getting more ignoranter...
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on: December 26, 2008, 01:22:42 PM
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"It surely is merry Christmas for Barack Obama with Santa raining goodies, this time in the form of an all-time high rating of 82 per cent Americans approving his handling of presidential transition..." "Obama's approval is higher than George W Bush's 65 per cent approval rating during his transition eight years ago with Bill Clinton at 67 per cent in 1992. Less than a month to go before Obama assumes office in the teeth of a looming recession, a CNN Opinion Research Poll shows that more than eight in 10 or 82 per cent of the respondents approve of the way he is handling his presidential transition." http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/uspolls2008/Election_Story.aspx?ID=NEWEN20080077741&type=topstoryBetter numbers than Reagan, Clinton et al, by the the theories of the Rocket scientists of howobamagotelected.com, America must be getting more ignoranter and more ignoranter. Oh, save us, you Republican intellectual giants, from the ignorance of Obama, by the light of Sarah Palin. |
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Political Discussions / United States / Re: Huh.. change.. Hold on it will may take 8 -10-umm 50 years!! :P
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on: December 26, 2008, 12:56:38 PM
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Ah, yes, more failed arguments from you, covered up with twisted words and smarminess.
Yep, do you even understand your own conservative philosophy? Reagan popularized the principle that Bush followed to the letter. GREED IS GOOD.
Reagan claimed tax cuts would cure all ills. He raised taxes twice. Bush, not once, and cut taxes for the wealthy several times. Bush: More Reagan than Reagan. Reagan liked wars. Bush started two. More Reagan than Reagan. Churching the State. Reagan Reagan Reagan. Reagan ran up the deficit on military spending, so did Bush. Reagan supported amnesty for illegals. So did Bush. Reagan had a net increase in the size of the Federal government. Bush expanded it, too.
Reagan deregulated and gutted government departments he didn't like. Bush gutted the SEC, privatized vital government services, and deregulated like crazy. Because you are a wind-up Bush-bot you can't see that Bush and his Reaganite philosophy have been to blame for this crisis.
Sorry you can't understand what 75% of Americans already know, Bush is a failed president who has destroyed the Reagan Revolution for a generation. Clinton's mistake was in accepting some of the precepts of that Revolution of lies, because the Congress went to Republicans.
Lenin started the Revolution in Russia. That doesn't mean that anyone but Stalin was responsible for the purges. Reagan started the Revolution, but bungling Bush finished it. Get it, stupid?
No...I await who in the Congress is and the media is to blame for poor George's failure' Good assesment of the Reagan /Bush /contract with America that has led to the downfall of our country and economy Irwin. You connect the dots...Well said. Thanx. And I am pretty sure the revolution has been totally repudiated this time. The stakes are high for Republicans. The only way they can keep the horseshit train rolling is if Obama fucks up. They never had actual good ideas for the country, just a self-serving, short-sighted con game. They will do their best to obstruct and destroy. I'm of the belief that this will only drive them deeper into the wilderness. |
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