Kenneth Starr "investigated" for 6 years in search of any crime he could find, leaping from Whitewater to the  to jones to lewinsky and got nothing but a perjury charge. You love to point out that perjury charge. And what was Libby convicted for? Perjury and obstruction of justice. Fitz stopped after the matter at hand was closed, rather than openning another and another and another investigation into things that had to do with the first charge.

So spare us your smarmy fake indignation.

 

Nice little words ya put put in my mouth. You are the sort of moron who thinks it is a choice between everybody to blame but Bush and only Bush is to blame. Actually, the Reagan Revolution, deregulation, the culture of greed and corruption encouraged by it are to blame. But this particular crisis began with the implosion of ARM securities, which did not exist before the Bush administration. It has also been intensified by an incompetent SEC, unwilling to enforce strict oversite. The SEC and the attitude of letting business run amok are directly the fault of Bush. So is Iraq, Katrina, and the low confidence in the US, which has fueled the downturn. Grow up. Get over it.

Maybe YOU should admit that anything the Vice President says IS the position of the President, unless the President specifically the comment is his position. You can keep whining that I haven't backed up anything but it doesn't make it true.

Who was Bush blaming? Clinton or his father?
Is Cheney or is Cheney not a part of the Bush Administration? Is Bush not responsible for everyone in his Administration or not?

You should have quit after this tantrum:
"You idiots think history started in 2001. So be it. History is about to start over in a month. You can bet the Democrats can expect to get as good as they've given. On this subject, I'm done. You can think what you want...you always do."

I can't blame Obama for Iraq. Bush started it. And by the way, the current policy of withdrawl would be Obama's.

Obama didn't encourage a culture of lax oversite at the SEC. Bush did.

I could go on, but you are irrational and a waste of time.

It is eight years into Bush and he is still blaming others. And so are you.

A new, smaller AUTO business takes WAY more. You can't expect to turn a profit for years. If you examine the history of AUTO start ups, the picture is not pretty and scattered with wreckage.

Honestly I think Bush's "controlled bankruptcy" idea is intreging but I haven't read all the details yet.


Most economists entirely disagree with you that, as bankruptcy is currently structured, it wouldn't be dire. It is bizarre that you are comparing the adding of seatbelts to the loss of millions of jobs, due to the collapse of a megacorporation. IDEALLY businesses are organisms that can adapt and survive, in practice, businesses are a part of the larger social structure, subject to the same problems and tough choices and screw-ups in every other part of human life.


The next time may well also be the wrong time. There are higher concerns, nevertheless. We don't live in a perfect world, so sometimes we have to make the choice of less evil. National Steel filed for bankruptcy in 2002 when credit was flush and unemployment low. That was the right time.

Neat how you pretend Cheney isn't a part of the Bush administration when he blames Clinton. And who was he blaming with "10 years or so" ago, his father or Clinton? But there you go again, selecting information that you like and discarding others. It is your latest con game: Bush never blamed Clinton unless he, personally, said, "I blame Clinton for." He IS his administration, HE is responsible for EVERYTHING they say. Everything else is passing the buck. Your other con game is "Bush never blamed Clinton except when he did and he was right."

YOU ARE ALWAYS WRONG.

They can't be allowed to fail NOW. US Steel had near as many jobs at stake. They were allowed to fail in a GOOD economy, broken up and sold off. Starting new businesses takes WAY more than 14B. No one wants to give out any credit. Meanwhile, while waiting for the phoenix to rise again, (and hoping for the money to lend them) millions are dumped onto the job market. A huge rise in unemployment means less people buying than even now, which means more businesses failing, which means more unemployed, which means less people buying, which means more businesses failing...

Most people who agree with you, think it won't effect them. It absolutely will.

I liked her better when her jaw was wired shut.

When I first heard this story, my only question was: "I wonder where in the south this happened?" That I turned out to be right was hilarious. We have Muslims all over this country. Statistically speaking, there must be Muslim women in courthouses all over the country. We know that most are not told to take off their hijabs because it is up to the judge. To ask a Muslim woman to remove her hijab in public is no different than asking a non-Muslim woman to take off her shirt. Using common sense, the hijab and the yarmulkes are made exception to head gear. But if you are going to have an asshole with no common sense, he is going to crop up in the South.

This isn't the first incident, but in that case last week, the guy threw out a woman and her 14-year-old daughter for wearing the hijab, rather than ask them to take it off. Clearly the guy's one of those good-ole-boys who likes to think of his bigotry as "patriotism."

Wha? During the campaign, when leaving was Obama's policy and Bush/McCain was for open-ended commitment, you argued that it was reckless to even plan to leave.

Try to avoid painting my words as "flying off the handle." There is not a single thing I said that is not absolutely logical and rational. You said "So while I may detest the Republicans that pile in like a pack of eager lemmings, I can't get around the proximity that Obama had to these people."

Those words describe guilt by association. It is not "flying off the handle" to refute it in no uncertain terms.

Obama does not have any more "weird" friends than any other politician in this country. It takes so much money to get elected that con-men and sleaze bags will show up. In the absence of a sleaze-detector, perfectly law-abiding politicians can end up socializing with a few shady types. Yes, investigations turn up things but Obama is completely outside the scope of the investigation, so there is no more likely to be revelations concerning him than Hilary Clinton.

Just because you consistently ignore it every time I back it up, doesn't mean I didn't back it up. Just because you can type words like "backtrack" doesn't mean it happened. You neither absorb nor accept facts when you defend Bush. Every time you make an argument, you always are proven wrong. Your denial of there being a recession is only one on a long list of opinions issued to you by the White House that proved wrong. Reading your smarmy passive aggressive nonsense is very good exercize for my bullshit detectors. Thank you.

8 years of "Clinton did it" and now black is white, up is down...grow up.

Union busting is the bedrock of Republican policy. Ronald Reagan, 1981. There is also a very strong political motivation to wreck the economy so that Dems can be blamed for the disaster. These senators have nothing to lose.

Right..Cheney is not a part of the Bush Administration and sets his own policies. Can you find Bush disavowing the comment? My best effort wasn't knocked down at all. It demonstrated Bush is either passing the buck to Clinton or daddy. (Which kinda shmuck would ya like him ta be?) A rational person knows who he is blaming...but you aren't rational.

You have never "corrected" anything because you don't think for yourself, and you don't work with facts, you work with faith-based opinions, issued by the same sources. And you have the temerity to be condescending about being consistantly WRONG. This whole thread was a response to a recession you smugly denied was happening.

Merrily pretzeling along, tra-la!

I missed none of that, I also didn't miss your illogical guilt by association. Take Rezko. Had he been convicted, or even ACCUSED of fraud before Obama "associated" with him, then you'd have a case. Same with Blag. But as far as he knew, he was associating with a governor and a fundraiser.

Now you have made out like you explicitly left Obama out of it. You didn't. You said he "seems" far away from the corruption. According to the prosecutor, Obama doen't "seem" anything. He is not involved at all.

You said: ook, <I may have voted for Obama, but if he's in any way involved I want him tried for it.>

There is not even an investigation of Obama. Nor will there be. Why are you talking about a trial?

You said: <So while I may detest the Republicans that pile in like a pack of eager lemmings, I can't get around the proximity that Obama had to these people.>

Guilt by association? Get around it. There is a difference between associating with known criminals and associating with those who turned out to be criminals.

You said: <I await the investigation, but these knee jerk reactions from either side, blindly accusing and excusing the people on their bench is going to quickly diminish the importance of what's going on.>

No Dem has blindly excused anyone of anything. Blag is under threat of impeachment BY HIS OWN PARTY. It is not "blindy excusing" Obama to point out what the prosecutor, rather than a fellow Democrat, has made crystal clear: Obama is not in any way whatsoever involved in any criminal action. Who is being "blindly excused" here? Obama has been excused in full sight of the law in every way except rightwingnutland, where "blind accusations," very much are coming from. And you are participating in this nasty partisan attempt to smear Obama, simply by acting as if there even a shred of criminal connection between Obama and Blag's thuggery.

Let's work out your logic. First you deny Bush blames Clinton. Then when I show you examples of Bush/Cheney passing the buck, you justify the passing of it by saying "we" think history started in 2001.

Bush never passed the buck except when he did because he was right. Quite a pretzel ya got yaself there. I'd quit, too, if I were you. I know you are hoping and praying for Obama to fail. Good luck with that.