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16  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Texas school district is allowing teachers to carry guns on: August 16, 2008, 11:41:14 AM
Now, now.  No need to get touchy.  I just thought it looked silly thats all. 

I'm sincerely sorry about that. I wasn't angry at you or even what you said.

Like I said, my parents are both teachers and I think laws like this only endangers everyone in the profession. I mean, God forbid people are too discouraged by the law to become teachers... or worse, encouraged by it...

This idea is just all wrong!
17  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Interventionism on: August 16, 2008, 11:38:24 AM
I read a lot of Chomsky... so I think, in the end, US intervention is short sighted, dangerous and tends to do more harm then good if you simply extropolate beyond the next 6 months.

I thought Chomsky's central point is that US intervention is not intended to do good, but to further the interests of the US elite. If you look at it from that perspective they have been remarkably successful.

There *IS* short term success and to an extent, benefit for the parties involved.

Sadly, this leads to action that may endanger future interests.

Look at Latin America. We did all we could to stop socialism - installing dictators and preventing democracies - but then those dictators established dictatorships and cut off their capital to US buisnessmen.

It's failed us.
18  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Texas school district is allowing teachers to carry guns on: August 16, 2008, 11:34:35 AM
Kids who shoot friends at school aren't "criminally" minded. They're insane.

Um, I don't think they are exactly shooting their "friends."  I thought it was spite that motivated these school shooters.

Alright. "Peers" then.

What's the f*cking difference? To act like this shows a mentally unstable mind.

What you call their targets is irelevent.

Quote from: gommi
I think this whole idea is supposed to save money.  If security was important, schools would buy it.  If you can't, well then you come up with clever schemes in giving teachers the right to bring their own. 

I couldn't imagine, being in class, knowing that my teacher has a holstered gun.  I wonder what that would do in terms of discipline.  I don't fuck with a cop not because I don't want to go to jail or get fined or whatever.  Its because he has a gun.  Giving a teacher that kind of power could backfire.

My problem isn't with the teachers with guns. If they have a "Conceal-Carry" permit them they're generally understood to be responcible. My problem is with all the teachers that don't or can't bring a weapon to school and the percieved threat that future school shooters will see from their own teacher.

Again, school shooters don't expect to walk away alive. Keep that in mind when people think they'll be discouraged by the idea they'll die sooner.

WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING THE PROBLEM!
19  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Texas school district is allowing teachers to carry guns on: August 16, 2008, 10:50:29 AM
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We don't need to restrict weapons in this country but we HAVE to restrict the ease in which teenagers and the mentally ill are getting them.

Laws restricting access to guns cannot prevent the criminal minded from obtaining them. If more limits are imposed, teenagers will find guns elsewhere. Firearms are quite prevalent in your country.

Kids who shoot friends at school aren't "criminally" minded. They're insane.

If we don't address the real problem, adding more guns to the mix really doesn't do anything but make it worse.

Quote from: gommi
Quote from: Abraxas
With that said, teachers should not be faced with the burden of stopping a school shooter if and when one decides to act. Teachers (ALL TEACHERS), regardless of whether they carry a weapon or not, will now be the first target of a kid with a gun. This puts every teacher in harm's way... and for what?

I agree. It should not be required for teachers to carry guns as it is not their responsibility, however should a teacher legally be able to if they choose?

Can students? In some states you only have to be covered by "Conceal-Carry Laws" 18 .

And you forgot to address the point that some teachers with guns endangers all the others. Is it fair to do that?
20  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Texas school district is allowing teachers to carry guns on: August 16, 2008, 10:12:06 AM
Both of my parents are teachers and so are all of their friends. I know teachers out the wazoo and they all mostly love their job because they love teaching, because as Crystal noted, they're not doing it for the money.

With that said, teachers should not be faced with the burden of stopping a school shooter if and when one decides to act. Teachers (ALL TEACHERS), regardless of whether they carry a weapon or not, will now be the first target of a kid with a gun. This puts every teacher in harm's way... and for what?

Most school shooters commit suicide at the end of their campaign, so they don't expect to go home alive, anyway.

We don't need to restrict weapons in this country but we HAVE to restrict the ease in which teenagers and the mentally ill are getting them.

That's *my* position.
21  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Interventionism on: August 15, 2008, 07:17:55 PM
I read a lot of Chomsky... so I think, in the end, US intervention is short sighted, dangerous and tends to do more harm then good if you simply extropolate beyond the next 6 months.
22  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Whoops, Patton's CIC Appears To Have Screwed Up Again on: August 15, 2008, 07:09:19 PM
And if Georgia is still our ally and Russia is still our enemy it would be silly to think we're sitting around twittling our thumbs...
23  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Whoops, Patton's CIC Appears To Have Screwed Up Again on: August 15, 2008, 06:19:02 PM
... now you're just being coy.

If we send in blankets... do you really think we're not sending in M16's too?

Russia Seizes Arsenal Of US Weapons In Georgia - Military
24  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Whoops, Patton's CIC Appears To Have Screwed Up Again on: August 15, 2008, 05:58:21 PM
No, neue.

Bush is truly stupid to think Turkey would do anything to help us hurt the Russians.

"In 2004, trade between Turkey and Russia was worth some $11 billion. By the end of August 2005, this figure reached almost $10 billion, and it is expected by both Moscow and Ankara to increase to $25 billion by 2007. Russia is Turkey's second-largest trading partner after Germany, while Turkey is Russia's 14th trade partner."
- LINK
25  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Texas school district is allowing teachers to carry guns on: August 15, 2008, 05:53:35 PM
This is such a bad idea... it's scary.
26  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Mc Cain relationships with Mafia on: August 15, 2008, 10:23:10 AM
Oh dear God...
27  Political Discussions / United States / Re: McCain the Liar and the "Straight-Lie-Express" on: August 15, 2008, 10:11:50 AM
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They will turn the democracy back to a government that represents the best interest of all the people not just the cooperate interests.

Americans overwhelmingly support drilling. Congressional leadership stands in the way of the American people.

I agree.

Pelosi is making a massive mistake by acting like Nurse Ratchett for the US Legislature.

And this is coming from a guy who opposes the whole silly concept of drilling in the first place.

The least you could do is have a debate!

/rant
28  Political Discussions / United States / War time president... without the war time supprt on: August 15, 2008, 05:41:52 AM
McCain is generally understood to be a war hero, and I think his service to the country deserves respect. But sadly, some believe this service somehow entitles him to be president over someone without it.

Most would think, given his distinguished career, that McCain would have the support of the military... but it doesn't seem to be the case:

Quote from: Associated Press
Military donations favor Obama over McCain
Troops donate more campaign money to Obama than McCain, despite McCain's military record


WASHINGTON (AP) -- U.S. soldiers have donated more presidential campaign money to Democrat Barack Obama than to Republican John McCain, a reversal of previous campaigns in which military donations tended to favor GOP White House hopefuls, a nonpartisan group reported Thursday.
 
Troops serving abroad have given nearly six times as much money to Obama's presidential campaign as they have to McCain's, the Center for Responsive Politics said.

THE REST

I could be like Reaganite and flash a bunch of smilies and "lol"s... but what's the point? I've become dissapointed with Obama lately and am questioning my support for him, so my reason for posting this isn't partisan in nature.

I just think this speaks volumes about the situation we're in.

Comments?
29  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Pentagone: plane explosed? on: August 14, 2008, 07:47:25 PM
I drive past the pentagon's damaged side (still isn't completely fixed for some reason)...I know some people who were present there and 1 person who was driving on Highway 1 and says he saw the plane fly right into.  All credible people, and I'll take their word.

some of you konspiracy people are just too far out sometimes.

I try not to look like one. It must be my adolescent angst.




P.S. I didn't know you lived in D.C.. I thought you were in Kansas too, for some reason...
30  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Pentagone: plane explosed? on: August 14, 2008, 04:30:02 PM
I know, and I'm not debating the scale of what happened... I'm just amazed that the only peice of surveillance equipment that captured anything (aside from radars, maybe) was a crappy camera at the front gate.

It just doesn't make sense to me.

I'm not promoting an agenda or villifying anyone... I'm just pointing out something that doesn't quite add up.
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