When pigs fly...

Jersey still does that... AND they have the cheapest gas in the country.

I honestly don't know how they do it...


I live in the middle class suburbs and it's been lingering around $3.55 for about a week (Shell has 5 cents off on thursdays, but I only fill up once every 2 weeks - I LOVE MY CAR!) while just north of us in southern PA and the like, it's about $0.15 higher.

They're the "Soccer Mom" kinda neighborhoods.

I noticed that gas prices are higher in high income areas because they can afford it.

Low income areas have cheaper gas because if they didn't more people would walk. You can't do that in the suburbs...

So then the only camera the Pentagon has watching the premises is a 1fps dinger at the enterance?

Are you saying I could drive my Saturn Ion right up to the side of the source of US military information and be seen by ONE camera?

C'mon. This is the Pentagon. THE PENTAGON.

Am I agreeing with "The Patriot"? Absolutely not. I'm just saying I think there are legitimate questions that deserve to be asked, but people like the OP are too busy blaming the Jews or the NWO and keeping semi-rational debate from happening.

I just think it's odd that the US Pentagon is watched by a camera *I* could buy at Radio Shack.

For what it's worth, machioveli, you'd think the Pentagon would have better security. I mean, it's the headquarters of the US Military, not a 7-11 in Compton.

Ahk, you have the patience of a saint...

... or you're a masochist.

That's true... but the decrease in the number of SUVs on the road and the increase in the number of Hybrids and fuel efficient cars will have a lasting effect on demand and consumption. People aren't going to trade in their new 30mpg Toyota Carola for a 14mpg F-350.

Also, while $3 looks like a great deal compared to what we've dealt with recently, inflation is still going up, which means $3 is STILL a lot of money... and is actually more then it used to be...


This frightens me, actually.

When a barrel of oil went up, gas kept a quick pace, rising each day.

But now oil is down to almost $120 a barrel (correct me if I'm wrong) but gas is still well over $3.50. Oil's gone down close 40% while gas has gone down 25%? WTF?!?!

AMAZING what simple conservation (ALL ON IT'S OWN) does to the price of oil and gas?

All without drilling a single acre...

AMAZING what buying a fuel efficient car will do, let alone driving it at lower RPMs or on tires that are maintained at good pressures.

All without drilling a single acre...

FANTASTIC how some people go out of there way to walk or ride a bike and what it does to gas and oil prices.

All without drilling a single acre....

You're right. That is information worth noting and thanks for bringing it to my attention. Do you have a link, by chance?

I'm a little concerned with how little Georgia's initial violence has been ignored.

Yes, Russia over-reacted... but Georgia invaded S Ossetia to keep them from declaring independence. Imagine if Russia invaded Georgia for doing the same thing...

You do it everytime Neue or Patton brings something up about a Democrat!


Or maybe he just pooped himself.

Old people do that, ya know...

When did being called a hypocrite become a "personal attack"?


How are we talking out of both sides of our mouths by mentioning ALL the benefits of pot?

What about the people that say chewing gum is a good way to fight cavaties, burn calaries and also have fresh breath? Do the recreational benefits somehow negate the other effects too?


Who called you a drunk? Who's "clinging" to their drugs? I stop when I go back up to school (cause of random testing) as easily as some people might put down a glass of water. So who's "clinging"?

Look, I understand it's hard to refute fact, but there is no reason to lie about what people say, Patton.

Because when you're hair is on fire, it's already too late to worry about how it happened.

Isn't it better to just not flirt with fire in the first place?

C'mon, free.

Let's be objective here...

Very, very true... and perhaps I should have made that clearer.

McCain seems to understand the situation better then the MSM and other politicians, but if "push came to shove" and he was the guy in the big chair, I also have to wonder if he'd do what he reccomends.

I'm just saying he's demonstrating a slightly better grasp of the situation then Obama... or Bush for that matter.

Didn't say that.

I said that someone who hasn't smoked marijuana should not lecture others, who have tried it, on its effects.

As a doctor, your experience with drugs (in the clinical sense) is more intense then the vast majority of others here, but I'm not talking about what morphine can do to you. I'm talking about the medical reasons why marijuana should be as illegal as other, more harmful products THAT ARE LEGAL.


Did I ever say I'm more experienced in these matters? Did I ever even pretend I've experiences the same things you have? Did I ever give the impression that I was somehow ungrateful of the job you do?

No. I don't believe I did.

So why the guilt trip, then?

Are you sooooooo unable to make a legitimate argument for the criminilzation of marijuana that you have to stray so wildly off topic?


I guess that glass of wine you have with dinner and any benefit it provides to the social enviroment is equally silly?


And I make no argument.

You're right. Gruesome sights like dismembered children would be hard to erase from my mind... but what do such nightmares have to do with your personal experience with pot?


I never thought it would.

I just hoped you would actually see how ridiculous it is that marijuana is illegal even though it's effects differ so wildly from those of alcohol and other drugs. But I see your answer is to just start restricting the legal poisons we have now... cause it worked SOOOOOOOOOOO well the last time we did it ...

I'm sorry to see that Puritanism didn't die with the Puritans.


In case you haven't noticed, the "status quo" isn't working:



All of this "annually costs US taxpayers an estimated $7.6 billion, approximately $10,400 per arrest" in 2005(SOUCE).

Now tell me why this "status quo" is whorth advocating...


That's generally how people use it...