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61  Assistance and Feedback / The Inferno / Re: On this date in Bush History... on: December 15, 2008, 10:35:41 PM
I just think it's funny Al Maliki doesn't even flinch.

He knows that while every person in that room may hate him... thay hate Bush just tiny bit more...





As a side note, I'm sorry "The Daily Show" ended LAST week. I would have liked to see what they could do with this...
62  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Recession Official: Bush Sorry.. on: December 15, 2008, 10:31:26 PM
You idiots think history started in 2001. So be it. History is about to start over in a month. You can bet the Democrats can expect to get as good as they've given. On this subject, I'm done. You can think what you want...you always do.

Super.

I guess that idea I had about the republican party acting as a check against liberalism going too far will have to wait a while. They've got childish vendettas and insults to attend to.

I'm glad to know we're not above the, "but he hit me first..." mentality.
63  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Home Sweet Home Chicago on: December 15, 2008, 10:29:49 PM
I missed none of that, I also didn't miss your illogical guilt by association. Take Rezko. Had he been convicted, or even ACCUSED of fraud before Obama "associated" with him, then you'd have a case. Same with Blag. But as far as he knew, he was associating with a governor and a fundraiser.

...

You said: <So while I may detest the Republicans that pile in like a pack of eager lemmings, I can't get around the proximity that Obama had to these people.>

Guilt by association? Get around it. There is a difference between associating with known criminals and associating with those who turned out to be criminals.

Again, you've flown off the handle.

I wasn't making a case for a "guilt by association". I was making the case that he apparently has a bad taste in friends. No, he's not palling around with terrorists like that idiot said, but he's got weird friends. Freinds who don't seem to have the best of moral character.

Obama seems like a good guy and again, I'm not accusing him of anything but bad taste.

Quote from: Irwin
Now you have made out like you explicitly left Obama out of it. You didn't. You said he "seems" far away from the corruption. According to the prosecutor, Obama doen't "seem" anything. He is not involved at all.

You said: ook, <I may have voted for Obama, but if he's in any way involved I want him tried for it.>

There is not even an investigation of Obama. Nor will there be. Why are you talking about a trial?

Things have a way of coming to light DURING an investigation, Irwin.

I say things like "seems" and "maybe" because the only thing we can ever be sure of is that we're never really sure of anything.

Quote from: Irwin
You said: <I await the investigation, but these knee jerk reactions from either side, blindly accusing and excusing the people on their bench is going to quickly diminish the importance of what's going on.>

No Dem has blindly excused anyone of anything. Blag is under threat of impeachment BY HIS OWN PARTY. It is not "blindy excusing" Obama to point out what the prosecutor, rather than a fellow Democrat, has made crystal clear: Obama is not in any way whatsoever involved in any criminal action. Who is being "blindly excused" here? Obama has been excused in full sight of the law in every way except rightwingnutland, where "blind accusations," very much are coming from. And you are participating in this nasty partisan attempt to smear Obama, simply by acting as if there even a shred of criminal connection between Obama and Blag's thuggery.

I take what the prosocuter said... but again, after an investigation (which is done to investigate FACTS) things get out.

It's great to know Obama seems to be and has been deemed to be a non-player in this...

... but I await the investigation.
64  Assistance and Feedback / The Lobbyist (Off Topic) / Re: IAP 2.0 Members Photo Thread! on: December 15, 2008, 10:20:32 PM
In case you've been wondering where I've been, look real hard at the picture:

Lenscrafters?

Wink

Are you really in a fraternity? You didn't seem like the type...
65  Assistance and Feedback / The Lobbyist (Off Topic) / Re: IAP 2.0 Members Photo Thread! on: December 15, 2008, 09:33:17 AM
you dog doesn't look like a nice chap though.

He really wouldn't hurt a fly, though.

Bully breeds always look meaner then they really are.

Sometimes I think you look like an older Harry Potter.

I swear, that only happens in pictures. No one says that unless I'm in a picture.

Abraxas, I have a buddy that looks exactly like you. Though, he's a little heavier and probably a lot less sober.

I'm not at school anymore, so I've been... *ahem*... talking to Mary... a lot...

Haven't gotten wasted yet, though. I'm waiting for the college kids in my college town to go home and bars to lower their prices. Then I'll be hittin' the town...
66  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Home Sweet Home Chicago on: December 15, 2008, 09:26:00 AM
The prosecutor has already has said emphatically that Obama is in no way involved. Not in the least. The prosecutor's word not good enough?

Did you miss the part where I said, "Obama seems to be far and away from the actual corruption of trying to sell his vacant Senate seat"? Did you miss the part where I said, "... but... there are an uncomfortable number of connections between Obama and otherwise dishonorable characters"? Did you miss the part where I made this about the people Obama decides to associate himself with (like Rezko) rather then about Obama himself? Did you also miss the part where I said we should wait for the facts?

... I'm guessing you did.

Its funny because no one has blamed him for anything. Before anyone said anything, Obama supporters on this forum tried to make it out as though he has a golden penis. He is not special, he is not one of a kind, he is a politician, and like all politicians he did not get where he is today by being totally innocent....I can gaurantee you that

If we thought he had a golden penis, we'd ask him sell it and get us out of this recession.
67  Social Discussions / Sports and Entertainment / Re: Tupac or Lil Wayne, who is the best rapper? on: December 11, 2008, 11:32:20 PM
I like Lil' Wayne - or rather, as a person who doesn't like rap at all... I really like Lil' Wayne.

I like Akon too, but I guess that's technically hip-hop.
68  Assistance and Feedback / The Lobbyist (Off Topic) / Re: IAP 2.0 Members Photo Thread! on: December 11, 2008, 11:14:54 PM
Well, in honor of mdma's "comming out", I thought I might share a pic too...



My dog and I last Christmas.
69  Political Discussions / United States / Re: In Earmarks Lies Salvation? on: December 11, 2008, 11:00:08 PM
As individuals, we should have learned economic conservatism a LOOOOONG time ago, but government spending is what got us out of the last Depression, so on the federal level, bunkering down may NOT be what we want to do. Infustructure is a massive weak point of this country, and while this author trys to scare us away from the industry by saying it used to be "pork", it remains the most likely target of terrorists, from both home and abroad.

And to combat his point, most states took care of their own bridges and roads and infustructure projects with their own budgets, but now the states are running drastically low on capital and need the feds to infuse their projects with money. So yeah, on the federal level, infustructure projects ARE considered pork, but if states can't pay for it anymore, isn't it the responsibility of the union to intervene?

In fact, it seems monumentally irresponsible to not care that states can't pay for their own projects. So no matter how you feel about the auto or bank bailout... a STATE bailout seems almost essential.

You may like this author, Reaganite, and you may say he "hits it out of the park"... but I guess even foul balls find their way off the field, too, sometimes...
70  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Home Sweet Home Chicago on: December 11, 2008, 10:42:35 PM
I guess we can't wait for an actual, full-fledged investigation to take place before we go accusing everyone in the same party of the same thing?

Look, I may have voted for Obama, but if he's in any way involved I want him tried for it. So while I may detest the Republicans that pile in like a pack of eager lemmings, I can't get around the proximity that Obama had to these people. I await the investigation, but these knee jerk reactions from either side, blindly accusing and excusing the people on their bench is going to quickly diminish the importance of what's going on.

From what I've read, Obama seems to be far and away from the actual corruption of trying to sell his vacant Senate seat... but, at the risk of sounding like Sean Hannity (not my intention)... there are an uncomfortable number of connections between Obama and otherwise dishonorable characters.

Rezko's name has come up. Again. A lot.

I'm not making accusations, and while Irwin will probably jump on like I just punched his mom, I would like to wait till the investigation uncovers FACTS before we attack and defend the people involved.

But that's just me.
71  Political Discussions / United States / Re: 0-5 for Fox News on: December 09, 2008, 01:44:56 PM
There is no such thing as an unbiased source.

An individual's duty is to look around, even with people they may not entirely agree with, so as to see all aspects of an issue.
72  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Too Big To Fail on: December 09, 2008, 01:40:26 PM
For the "better" or "worse" remains to be seen.
73  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Too Big To Fail on: December 08, 2008, 12:18:28 PM
Democrats control the chairs of the committees, which gives them control.

That can't be overstressed.

Since they chair the committees, Democrats essentially decide what Congress decides to vote on.

However you feel on the issue is irrelevant, but the fact that Democrats refused a vote on lifting the drilling ban is a perfectly good example of how much control they really do have. Again, how you feel about the issue of drilling is irrelevant - the fact that Democratic committees wouldn't let it be voted on allows them to push an agenda.
74  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Too Big To Fail on: December 08, 2008, 11:24:16 AM
This is what I'm talkin' 'bout;
Quote
Joe Lieberman: The Neoconservatives’ Favorite Liberal
by Bill Barnwell

"Powerful Republicans among Lieberman’s campaign donors," reads the headline of an October 21st news piece from the Boston Globe. Indeed, a number of powerful, rich, and noteworthy Republicans rose up to express public and financial support for Joe Lieberman’s independent campaign for Senate.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/barnwell/barnwell63.html
  Thats some margin of "control" ...Liberman is rated more conservative than many republicans in the senate.

Iraq is really the only thing Lieberman diverges from the Democrats on.

If nothing else, he's left of center...
75  Assistance and Feedback / The Lobbyist (Off Topic) / Re: Turkish inmate escapes jail with Metal Gear Solid tactics on: December 08, 2008, 11:15:50 AM
Yea it's been months.

On another note I see those Eagles made some noise in Giants Stadium today.

I missed the game, but my room mate's a Giants fan :evil grin: ...

I still have no faith in McNab, though. I used to like him... but we can't have a QB that only likes to play when he wants to. Glad to see Westbrook back, though.
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