If you consider living under the communist or the Sadam's baathist regime "living in peace" then ok...

It's true that patience was wearing thin after years of intifada, and that Israel ultimately made concessions.
But given the price paid by the palestinians for these concessions, they would be better off without them.
Israel could have evolved peacefuly like an apartheid country, progressively evolving into a modern and equalitarian society where palestinians and jews have finaly the same rights.
I mean had the Palestinian accepted Israel domination, sorry the term is unacceptable for muslims, so let's say, administration, they may have got not the same rights as Israelis but they would live in peace and within the sympathy of the world, like the black had during the apartheid in South Africa.
They wouldn't suffer the humiliations and the moral isolation like now.

To use violence to make it cheaper and safer for Israel to leave Gaza while keeping a provocative attitude, was not a good trade-off.


I thought that's what they were already doing with their suicide bombings. No a lot of suicide bombers lately but that still a important figure in their culture.
The true sefl-immolation actualy in Gaza is a group immolation where everybody join up to die slowly and sink deeply into poverty.

Israel could offer the right-to-return to those who were born in what-is-called-Israel before 1948 but not the descendants who were born outside the limits of the so-called Israel.
The Israeli governement would have to set up a second retirement benefit program, but that would a good joke for Hamas.

Why would the Israeli readical left be pro-Hamas?

Peis,
I prefer talking about the good news rather than stuffs like "28 killed in Bagdad bombing".
It also interresting to know about the personality of the terrorist leaders.

mdma
You talked about some light at the end of your tunel.
I didn't know you had a metro (subway) in Israel.

Huh, mdma, your jews too have tunels?
I though it was only the Hamas and Hezbullah who had some.

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And Happy New year Cedar! (even if it's not the best place)

Palestinians.
They first started launching rockets at Israle. Only after that Israel bombarded gaza.

Abraxas, The problem is/was (because it's about to end) not the mere presence of the american "antibody" but a few important factors which turned a liberation from a dictator into a messy occupation:

1/ Total lack of preparation for a civilian administration of Iraq after the invasion. For example when the us troops had taken over Baghdad, the us general comanding the place had no idea to whom to contact with to ensure a functioning of the local administration and basic services. They were there, they didn't even have a name or an address where to go.

2/ The Bush administration ignored warning that Iraqis will start almost immediately to kill each others in the most atrocious manners (on top of resisting american presence).

I don't know how pakistani could "choose" between americans and taliban while there is no american in Pakistan.

What they have to choose however is either to be on anti-taliban side of the Pakistanese army or on the pro-taliban side of this same army.
Pakistani soldiers who are themselves taliban make up their mind quite easily. Others hesitate.

I think that Iraqis gew fed with with civil wars which kills... only iraqis.

You know.. when I punch my head with a hammer, after 5 minutes I start to have enough too.

The Palestinians are not the descendant of the Israeli tribes who either stayed there or were driven away by the advance of christianism and then Islam. (Note that during the whole middle age, -which lasted until the late 19th century in Russia and Ukraine- the west was predominantly anti-jewish)
The Palestinians are not the descendant of the Philistines as some historian claim. Palestinian are arab muslims coming from Arabia, speaks arab and worship the Quran while the Philistines were greeks who spoke greek came from Greece and venerated Platon.

The Palestinians can be asociated however to the Malakhites who were dispossesed from their land by the jews when the jews setled in Judea for the first time 3000 years ago. Symbolicaly of course since no lineage can be retraced.

Celtic, the question remqins, why, why the hell, do these crazy militant still fire rockets at Israel.
Any idea? (sarcasm)

You know, every rocket launched at Israel is an invitation for war. It serves no other purpose since these rockets barely kill anyone and never dirupted Israli life.
Hamas goal is to have Israeli tanks into Gaza so they can fight the martyr.

Fatah appeared ironicaly to be "pro Israeli" by the law of power vacuum.
If Israel overthrow Hamas from Gaza, the only other authority is the Fatah. If nobody control Gaza, the Fatah will be forced to go there. If they don't, it means that they give up the population of Gaza to their own fate and this will split the Palestinian nation into two: Gaza and West Bank.

It deosn't take a Hamas rocket scientist to discover that Israel and Fatah share a common interrest in the war on Gaza.

It's also in the interrest of Egypt who is fed up of having to cope with this shithole on their border.

The US is helping naturaly their ally and, from afar, a group they think is "moderate", with their legendary oversimplification and binary set of mind.

The problem is that Israel will never root out Hamas from Gaza because all the hardline palestinians are there. And the Gazans are not ready to change their mind.
And if Fatah returns there, they will face a domestic opposition for the next 100 years and beyond.

He called for palestinians to go on suicide bombing rampage. As a result he got killed 24h laters.
That's the way it should be done.
If he doesn't want to suicide-bomb himself...


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