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781  Political Discussions / Europe and Asia / Re: Beware Of Unipolar World-Putin on: November 05, 2007, 06:07:46 PM
Putin is looking out for Mother Russia, God bless him!
I think we should vote for him for the third time and bury "Democracy" in mausoleum forever.

Green, if you bury democracy, you won't be able to vote Putin and won't have Putin.
782  Political Discussions / Middle East / Re: I hate all Iranians, US aide tells MPs on: November 05, 2007, 05:55:06 PM
cat_fta,

Nobody underestimate Iranian capabilities: They may down a few warplanes but their airbases, fleet and ground installation will be totaly destroyed nonetheless.
Now when I say that they may down a few planes, it's assuming Iranians recieve tha new anti-air missiles recently ordered from Russia. Because if they use 10 years old russian weapons, or devices inspired from russian technology, it will be perfectly useless.

Iranian superiority is the size of their army, their ground force, the size of their land, difficult terrain, huge minefields, the fanatism of their elite and of part of their population.
The last point is weakness in normal time and in any long term developement, but a huge advantage on the battlefield when war is raging.
For these reasons, advancing into Iran with ground forces will be very dificult for the US.





783  Political Discussions / Middle East / Re: Israel kills seriously ill Gaza children on: November 03, 2007, 04:59:31 PM
Why did Palestinian voted for Hamas (==> random rocket fire on israel civilian sites) if the consequences are so dramatic?
Why do they praise suicide bombers so much?
784  Political Discussions / Middle East / Re: War Push on: November 03, 2007, 04:52:32 PM
Neocons were able to sell the Iraq war to the american public opinion on fake WMD claims. With iran, ironicaly, it will be harder to sell the war to the same public because americans have lost nearly 4000 soldiers, but other nations, at least at the leadership level, will fully agree with an attack on Iran in the event of a nuclear program turning too hot.

Neocons don't have to invent flase claim of mysterious anthrax agents or chemical stories here. The Iranian nuclear program is a reality and everybody knows it and everybody agree that action should be done against it.
Of course the whole world will condemn the US for being too arogant, but it will make the deal for everyone who don't want Iran as a nuclear power, including Russia.

Yes neocons exist and the Iranian nuclear program is a dream for them (a little bit like the US invasion of Iraq was a dream for al-Qaida): They can drum up war against Iran as much as they want despite the heavy losses in Iraq.
Even those who were against the war on Iraq will agree for a war on Iran.
Iranian Islamists are digging their own graves in their underground facilities.

Iran will NEVER have the deterent you are talking about. But they will have their industry anihilated if they try to.
Never Iran will have nukes. There will be the war of wars before that happens.

However, if they sudenly anounce that they stop their secret nuclear program once for good and focus on the fight against al-Qaida, neocon warmongers will be very embarassed because no one will want a war against Iran anymore.
785  Political Discussions / Middle East / Re: Why Iran why not the Saudis? on: November 03, 2007, 04:41:11 PM
No, Caktus, you don't have to take me seriousely. Nor do I with you.
...And yes Ahmy-dude is my best friend. Cheesy
786  Political Discussions / Europe and Asia / Re: Forced (muslim) Marriage Illegal in Germany on: November 02, 2007, 01:38:34 PM
You are totaly wrong.
Christianism, including roman catholicism has never promoted a single war or a single act of violence. Even the crusades were not supposed to be violent.

The truth is that the christian religion condemn violence and is based on anti-violence.
787  Political Discussions / Middle East / Re: Why Iran why not the Saudis? on: November 01, 2007, 03:35:15 PM
Abraxas,

"The reprocessing and storage would take place in facilities in Chelyabinsk in the Ural region." Not in Iran.

Your source doesn't talk about the same thing.
I was talking about ready to use uranium, Russia has to deliver to Iran at the moment.
788  Political Discussions / Middle East / About Maulana Fazlullah on: November 01, 2007, 03:28:33 PM
Maulana Fazlullah is to be the next charismatic leader for radical Islamism. His influence is spreading through Pakistan, but it will go beyond very quickely since al-Qaida is in need for new leaders like him.

Quote from: KATHY GANNON, Associated Press Writer
Pro-Taliban cleric Maulana Fazlullah has set up a virtual mini-state in Swat, a province of 4,000 square miles. He uses an FM radio station to help spread fundamentalist Islam in an area once known to tourists as the "Switzerland of Asia" for its stunning, snow-covered mountains.

Militias following Fazlullah's teachings, identified by their shoulder-length hair and camouflage vests over traditional shalwar kameez clothing, have bombed girls schools and blown up video and CD shops. They drilled holes into the face of a 20-foot- tall stone Buddha, obliterating the features of the 1,300-year-old sculpture.

Sher Mohammed, a lawyer in Swat and a human rights activist, said the enforcers — including Afghans and Arabs — "are roaming freely, checking barber shops in the small villages."

"They come out at midnight. They are not local people," he said.

Samad, the militant organizer, says he traveled in recent weeks to North Waziristan and recruited scores of militants to reinforce Fazlullah's followers in Swat Valley.

"It's not just in Swat or in Waziristan or in Bajaur. We are getting stronger everywhere in the area," he said. Recent suicide bombings are direct evidence of al-Qaida's influx, he said.

Fazlullah, who draws tens of thousands to his rallies, has launched a broad campaign against Western influence. He uses his outlawed FM radio station to preach jihad against America and Musharraf and teach his strict interpretation of Islam.

Fazlullah has called for a ban on polio vaccinations because he said it was a ploy by the West to sterilize Muslim babies. He demands women wear the all-encompassing burqa and frowns on barbers who give haircuts in styles deemed un-Islamic.

This month, Pakistani authorities sent about 2,500 extra police and troops into Swat district to challenge Fazlullah's followers. A group of tribal elders and clerics has been holding talks with Fazlullah's aides about ending the bloodshed.

Still, many Pakistanis fear the government has waited too long to confront militant clerics like Fazlullah.

"For three years no one did anything. Two years ago you could have arrested Fazlullah with two police constables. Today you need a division," Mohammed said.

A police official, who asked for anonymity fearing reprisals from militants and from his superiors, said sympathizers within the government, police and intelligence service have allowed Fazlullah to gain stature in the region.

A confidential memo circulated to Pakistan's National Security Council in July and made public soon afterward warned that radicals from the border region were exerting wide influence.

It spoke of a "nexus" between radical clerics behind the bloody siege of the Red Mosque in Islamabad, which resulted in more than 100 deaths, and the clerics in northwest Pakistan. Besides Fazlullah, those include Baitullah Mehsud, who allegedly threatened to meet Bhutto's return to Pakistan with suicide attacks.

"When I was following the Red Mosque, one thing was very clear — that they had strong sympathizers within the establishment and within the military," said Hasan Askari Rizvi, a leading independent Pakistani defense analyst. Rizvi said Pakistan's powerful armed forces remain ambivalent about religious extremists, whom the military supported during the Afghan war with the Soviets in the 1980s.

Pakistan's military has often used extremists as proxies in the violent secessionist battle against India for control of Kashmir, he said.

"The government is perturbed because of their activities in Pakistan," he said, but doesn't object when they fight Western-backed leaders in Afghanistan or Indian troops in Kashmir.

Full article
789  Political Discussions / General Politics / Re: Sarkozy is traitor on: November 01, 2007, 03:21:30 PM
Trucker,
We, in Europe, don't blame you for your good relations with corruption and mafia central Mexico. So shut up.

If your soldiers got killed, it's because you decided to send them to certain death.
That's your choice. French never ask american servicemen to die in Iraq.
790  Political Discussions / General Politics / Re: Anti-Immigrants Favored In Switzerland on: November 01, 2007, 03:15:15 PM
Theoricaly, if immigrant are "illegals", there should be no need for new laws, change in public opinion and other new measure to expel them and punish their accomplices.

The whole problem with illegal aliens, is to apply the law.

Every thrid world country would apply anti-illegal immigration laws in a matter of minutes with fines and expulsion and possible detention.
But in Europe we have a problem doing so.

791  Political Discussions / Middle East / Re: Why Iran why not the Saudis? on: November 01, 2007, 03:04:59 PM
Don't worry Kactus,
When Iran will have their nukes, they will punish Saudi Arabia. In fact the CIA, AIPAC, Israeli art students, Sarkozy and the Zionist "Argon" organisation, are secretely helping Iranians to build nuclear bombs for this purpose.
But,... hush, hush..., that's the "The US allowed Iran to build nukes" theory to expose in 5 years. (For the moment, please stick with "F°911" and "No plane crashed into the Pentagon"). Wink

792  Political Discussions / Middle East / Re: Why Iran why not the Saudis? on: November 01, 2007, 02:57:04 PM
Abraxas,

The number of centrifuges is the core of the problem. Of course it's not enough to produce a bomb, but that brings them much closer.

What I wanted to point out is that their cnetrifuges cascades are supposed to produce uranium for electric plants, yet they import nuclear fuel from Russia.
793  Political Discussions / Middle East / Re: War Push on: November 01, 2007, 02:48:37 PM
No, Peis.

The downfal of developing nukes is that americans will attack earlier, before the first bomb is build.
Even if we assume that neocons have a long term mega plan to invade Iran (Under George X Bush maybe -[After W: X]- ), an attack will occure before the first iranian nuclear bombs is operational. So the faster Iran build their bomb the faster they will be bombed. That's very simple algebra. Because event A (attacking Iran) must hapen before event B (Building iranian nukes), if B happens, A will forcibly happen earlier.

Having a nuclear bomb program without having a bomb is a detterent against no one.

But I don't think that the US will ever venture in a war against Iran in absence of real danger of an Islamic nuclear bomb. Even if some hard core neocons are pushing for it, that won't pass the blogosphere.
American citizens are done with wars.
Only the nuclear program can convince our leaders to launch an attack on Iran. An attack that will have support from european governements unlike the war on Saddam.

However if Iran can mediaticaly open the doors of their installation and proove to world that they are perfectly peaceful, then not only they will be trusted by the rest of the world, re-fasten their ties with Russia, China etc, but the US will lose its credibility, especialy after what happened with the Iraqi WMDs.
But for that they need to clearly stop bomb-making projects.
794  Political Discussions / Middle East / Re: Does IAEA need a new mission? on: November 01, 2007, 02:22:11 PM
Peisithanatos
India coerced in a vote inside the non-proliferation context? Ho!  Tongue
The irony of international politics is simply... halucinating.

India was not moraly in a position to vote against Iran since they did exactely what Iran is doing now, 10 years ago. But civilian nuclear cooperation with the US helped them to overcome or forget this annoyance.

Also don't forget that...
Quote from: Your source
The former Bush administration official claimed Iran was developing nuclear weapons and that the international community was going to have to take tougher measures to persuade Iran to change course. "Whether there will be more U.N. sanctions or more measures taken outside the U.N. context, we'll have to see." Russia, said Mr. Rademaker, was "not fully cooperating" with the U.S.

"If the U.N. Security Council acts against Iran, this would make things easier for countries like India. But if things go in the direction of increasing economic pressure by a coalition of countries like the U.S, Europe and Japan, India will have to make a choice," he said. India would have to decide whether to join these countries in the economic measures they took. "It is India's prerogative to decide, but should it (not join), it would be a big mistake and a lost opportunity," he added.

Zee,
IAEA's inspectors in Spain are making  routine controls of the atom fuel. They don't make inspection and investigations like in Iran.
795  Political Discussions / Europe and Asia / Re: Forced (muslim) Marriage Illegal in Germany on: October 31, 2007, 03:38:24 PM
In the christian tradition, an "arranged" marriage is not valid. Of course, in practice, in past history it has never been so and all primitive or not so primitive societies including the West 100 years ago or so, but the philosophy of christianism reject the concept of arranged, not consented marriage.

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