Rachel, i've never said you misinterpret my words, i was talking about Cedar and Targo ,,, who misinterpret my "out loud cry" as sign of "over self confidence" ,,,

Cedar I'm not going to carry on with you. Last time I did that I agreed with you more than I disagreed and you didn't listen you just rambled on about my arrogance. Then someone came in to tell me to stop 'picking on you' when with one sentence I simply pointed that out. This is one poster done engaging with you.


Ahk

interesting what kind of blow it was so good Muslim male from Lebanon discovered other male to be an Israeli,,,

as for "Syrian guy",,, and if you get this evidence then what? Will your army Hezbllah will defend your country? Common be realistic, even if you get evidence you will whine for few weeks and then shut up,,, you can't do a thing about Syria when those do anything possible to take over you,,,

go praise some Nasrallah,,, the only defender of yours,,, ffs what a ridiculous place you are,,,

Would you prefer they send a "jihadist" to blow himself up somewhere in Ottawa in retaliation?

They took a very peaceful approach. Maybe they believe what they are saying, probably they are just hypocrits.

So what else is new? Isn't it the same with everyone who builds a case in the UN?
Aren't they all a bunch of hypocritical liars with double standards?

Maybe what is bothersome is the discovery that they too know how to play this game of hypocrisy as well as the rest of them.

lets start from who was his victim,,, even if this guy killed Lebanese doesn't mean he work for Mossad unless the Lebanese guy was really important figure,,, like for example one that Syrians killed week ago with few other ppl

unlike you many women like to get kicked by beautiful horses, men more realistic and just buy horse's good behavior

Jean de La Fontaine's The Wolf and the Lamb is one of the cruellest instances of literature. The poem or fable is doubly cruel, for while it tells of an unjust occurrence, it also intimates that there is a way or trend in the human mind undeviatingly unkind. La Fontaine tells us that between having one's way and being just, having one's way is more powerful. It has been so, ever so many times. The most dangerous and ugly possibility inherent in the individual as individual is that the desire to have one's way seems strong, while justice seems flat and interrupting. The wolf wants the lamb and the want itself is justice. This is the way we are. If a want increases, just because it does, the want may seem the more just, well placed, accurate, right. The unconscious tendency or likelihood of making our want the same as universal justice is the ugliest adjunct of the heart of man.

Gojira,

Let them wear headscraves. If turkish youth want to look like arabs, why not?
If they want to be closer to Iraq, Syria and Saoudi Arabia, that's their choice.
Maybe the next logical step for these young women would be to push for a driving ban for women...

Well, the thing I can't work out is how they escaped from Mexico to get to Lebanon 

Only kidding! Untouchables would definately be touching his 'untouchables' when he reads this thread.

But the beauty of this story is, wait..... there is actually foundation to it. Halellulah ! No more looking through Stormfront, David Duke and Iamthewitness sites. All I had to do was search the news and I had 60 news services who covered this story. What is going on? This is not the ME section I know. Where is the David Duke and Rense references?

A dual citizen of Israel and Germany has been arrested in Lebanon on charges of espionage, a Lebanese judicial source said yesterday. Security officials said the man, Daniel Sharon, has been handed over to military intelligence for questioning.

According to Lebanese publication Al-Akhbar Wa-Sapir, Sharon was arrested on Thursday as part of an investigation into the murder of a Lebanese citizen. During questioning, it emerged that Sharon had visited Lebanon 11 times on his German passport over the last two years. He denied allegations that he was on an espionage mission and said he was in Lebanon for leisure purposes, according to the source.

Media reports said that police in the Merje area, a hotbed of the Lebanese Shi'ite Hezbollah movement in Beirut's southern suburbs, were investigating the killing of Moussa al-Shalaani when the probe led them to Sharon.

Al-Shalaani had been shot with a gun belonging to a security officer who had been his roommate. The roommate was summoned for questioning, and maintained he had lost his gun. The roommate also said that at the time of the murder, he had been with a German friend, who was staying at the Four Points Sheraton Hotel in Beirut's luxurious Verdun neighborhood. A hotel employee told the police that Sharon had paid him not to write his full name on any documents.

"His conflicting testimonies led the authorities to arrest him, and further investigations are underway in a murder case and espionage," the judicial source said.

"He is denying charges of espionage and insists that he is gay and likes to have sexual relations with Lebanese men and that is why his visits to Lebanon were frequent," the source said.

JERUSALEM -- The father of an Israeli who has been arrested in Lebanon insisted on Sunday that his son is not a spy, saying the young man converted to Islam several years ago and immersed himself in Arab culture

When asked if Daniel was an Israeli spy, Moshe Sharon said "No, no, there is no chance. This boy doesn't even smoke, he doesn't drink, he's not a criminal."

Cedar,

You are unfair on two points:

1/ That we don't call "terrorist" those who are on "our side". That's not true. First because "our side" is a very vague notion in the ME even as Israelis are concerned. Second becuase we eventualy call them "terrorist".
Those who did Shabra & Shatila were defentily and repeatedly called "terorist" and other names in the western media. I remeber this event very well. It was literaly presented as horror on Earth.

In Iraq, everybody is a terrorist as soon as it terrorises civilians. If the new tribes fighting al-qaida were realy terrorizing the population the way al-Qaida does, that  would be against the american interrests there which is to create an atmosphere of safety for the occupation.
Why? Because what is annoying for the american is not the ideology of the terrorist groups nor even their power, but the very fact that by creating unstability, they jeopardize the legitimacy of the pro-US governement. And if they do, sooner or later they will have to face US troops.

Also, There is no evidence that the new group uses terror tactics against the population. If you have such evidence, plese post them here. The fact is that the population turned against al-Qaida because they were under constant threat. The tribe sheiks don't have any reason to terrorize a population.

But even if this is the case and if the US military doesn't say anything, western human right groups, anti-war goups and the Democrats will expose the fact and eventualy call them "terrorist".
You fail to realize that the majority of poeple and politicians in the oposition in the West is against this war in iraq and would be shocked at the very idea of having troops working with terrorists. That would be a political disaster for Bush.

Maybe we have very poor understanding of the ME, but you have very poor understanding of the West.

2/ You blame us (the West) for actions that we didn't do under the pretext that they are our allies. Being our allies doesn't mean to be "the West". The sheiks in Anbar and the police in Kabul are not westerners, I told you that already.

The reality is that americans (who seems to represent the West there) have no control and no mean to repress illegal, inhuman or terrorist activities of the groups they are working with if they ever work with them.

Furthermore, once they don't attack US troops, they definetly have nothing to do with the US anymore and the inter-muslim warfare is realy none of our business. We realy have NO responsability in it anymore. If killing, torturing and terrorising each others is what they want, who are we to forbid them these pleasures?

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Then I must read that:

Yeah, How dare we, he?

No, Cedar, we don't see any honnor in weakening ourself. Your reaction to this (sarcastic) point is revelating. Somehow you esteem Hezbullah and similar groups for letting themeslves bombed by forces 100X superior to them. For you too, Jihadist martyrdom is a honnor, despite your christian background? Sometimes I understand why the West is not supporting you arab christian more.