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1  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Biden says criminal violations will be pursued on: Today at 05:58:29 PM
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Democratic vice-presidential nominee Joe Biden said earlier this week that he and running mate Barack Obama could pursue criminal charges against the Bush administration if they are elected in November.

This alone is reason enough to elect them.
2  Political Discussions / United States / Re: RNC Message to the American People: BOO!!! on: Today at 09:49:58 AM
I think Palin said it best tonight.

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We need American energy resources, brought to you by American ingenuity, and produced by American workers. I've noticed a pattern with our opponent.

Maybe you have, too.

We've all heard his dramatic speeches before devoted followers.

And there is much to like and admire about our opponent.

But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform - not even in the state senate.


I like this lady and in 2012 It will be tough to chose between her and Thune.
Do you still want to fuck her Bonzo?
3  Political Discussions / United States / Re: RNC Message to the American People: BOO!!! on: September 03, 2008, 08:02:44 PM
  Lies and fear is ALL THEY HAVE. If they truly presented their goals and ambitions to the American people they would get about 30% of the vote ...the same people who support bush to this day.
4  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Doesn't Palin demonstrate how empty all this talk of "experience" really is? on: September 03, 2008, 03:54:50 PM
 Here is some more indication as to the kind of "executive" rule Quailin embraces. First as mayor she wanted to ban some books at the town library. The Librarian would not help her in this totalitarian dictatorial endeavor... What was Palin's answer ?
 She threatened to fire the Librarian ...
 She is perfect fit for the Bush style of executive rule...Play ball with me and do as I wish or face unemployment.
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Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor.
http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1837918,00.html
 
5  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Doesn't Palin demonstrate how empty all this talk of "experience" really is? on: September 03, 2008, 06:27:26 AM
 Let it not be forgotten that Obama represented more people as Illinios State Senator in the tiny 13th district than live in the entire state of Alaska. As US senator he now represents the entire state of Illinios with a population 24 times greater than Alaska. In fact the tiny state of Delaware has more than 200,000 more people than the entire sate of Alaska!
6  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Palin's Unwed Daughter Pregnant on: September 03, 2008, 06:11:15 AM
 Top... bottom ...middle... We have a pretty good idea as to how John McSame and Sarah Quailin would run the whitehouse. Bush policies continuation, PTSD with old age and failing health, abuses of power by nutjob religious fundamentalist with no resume' ... yeah they look great!
7  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Doesn't Palin demonstrate how empty all this talk of "experience" really is? on: September 02, 2008, 06:59:38 PM
 Being a republicon is a predisposition to being blind to your candidates foibles, regardless how obvious they are.
 
8  Political Discussions / United States / Re: 10 Reasons Why Joe Lieberman Sucks on: September 02, 2008, 06:36:46 PM
 Not only all those reasons but as the photo plainly shows,Bush really wants to kiss him on the mouth.
9  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Palin's Unwed Daughter Pregnant on: September 02, 2008, 06:07:06 PM
 Enough with who's pregnant... that is a family matter not a political one...
 I move we change the direction of this thread to talk about Palins Troopergate investigation.
 This speaks to executive power abuse ...this speaks to using executive power to fire public officials who don't agree with the executive. This sounds remarkably similar to another executive ...does it not? I would like to know how "troopergate Palin" feels about the firing of all those US attorneys by the Bush administration on partisan grounds and how legal she believes that is ...Doesn't anyone else see the similarities and the republicon mindset here?
 I don't care if she has twenty daughters and they all have bastard triplets that would be unlikely to effect the way she governs. But abusing executive powers  by firing public officials who do their job but not the executives bidding tells VOLUMES about how she will abuse the powers of the office. If she does this in Alaska what will she be like in Washington??  I am glad to hear the investigations findings should be out in October ( before the election) Lets see if by some amazing coincidence the investigations findings are delayed a little ...oh say like December ...wouldn't that be convenient??
 
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Palin's Troopergate Posted: Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:22 AM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: 2008, McCain
The Washington Post reports, “Republican presidential candidate John McCain's running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, is an ethics reformer under an ethics investigation that is plowing through private domestic matters. Palin is under investigation to determine whether she pressured and then fired the state police chief in July because he refused to dismiss her former brother-in-law. At the time, the governor's younger sister was involved in a bitter divorce and child custody dispute with the man, a state trooper. A bipartisan committee of the state legislature voted unanimously to hire a retired prosecutor to investigate. His report is due in October.”

More: “Gov. Palin's husband, Todd Palin, met with Monegan [the fired state police chief] in January 2007, a month after his wife took office, to say that the trooper was unfit for the force. Monegan also said the governor sent him e-mails, but Monegan declined to disclose them, saying he planned to give them to the independent prosecutor. Palin initially denied that she or anyone in her administration had ever pressured Monegan to fire Wooten. She said she had raised the matter with Monegan just once, relaying the allegation that Wooten made a death threat against her father. But this summer, Palin acknowledged that a half-dozen members of her administration had made more than two dozen calls on the matter to various state officials

And: “Monegan, 57, a former chief of the Anchorage Police Department, said in an interview Friday that during his 19 months on the job the governor repeatedly mentioned Wooten but ‘never directly asked me to fire him.’ Monegan said Todd Palin told him that Wooten ‘shouldn't be a trooper.’ ‘I've tried to explain to him,’ Monegan said, ‘You can't head-hunt like this. What you need to do is back off, because if the trooper does make a mistake, and it is a terminable offense, it can look like political interference. I think he's emotionally committed in trying to see that his former brother-in-law is punished.’”
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/30/1310109.aspx
 I also want to know if in addition to McShames knowing about Palin's daughter's reproductive condition he also knew about this abuse of executive power Palin is being investigated for . If he did... doesn't THAT tell volumes about McCain as well??? If he didn't doesn't THAT tell even more??
10  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Doesn't Palin demonstrate how empty all this talk of "experience" really is? on: September 01, 2008, 06:29:18 PM
 OK you had your spin ...pretty weak... Here's how I read it, phrase by phrase;

 Given the multifactorial nature of an individual’s risk,
there are many factors to risk
  it can be argued
... a good case can be made...
that an individual’s familial risk of disease  
...family history of the disease in question...
may, in fact,
an interjection meaning a surer bet...
be a better indicator of the many complex interactions
within the complicated ramifications family history tells more...
among predisposing genetic and environmental factors
amoung other likely indicators...
than can be captured by an individual’s own risk factors.
...that can be known for sure, by the assesment of ones risk.
 Here is the definition of predispose
 pre·dis·pose     /[pree-di-spohz] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, -posed, -pos·ing.
–verb (used with object) 1. to give an inclination or tendency to beforehand; make susceptible: Genetic factors may predispose human beings to certain metabolic diseases. 
2. to render subject, susceptible, or liable: The evidence predisposes him to public censure. 
3. to dispose beforehand. 
4. Archaic. to dispose of beforehand, as in a will, legacy, or the like. 
–verb (used without object) 5. to give or furnish a tendency or inclination: an underground job that predisposes to lung infection. 

 Breaking it down into more comon speach;
 There are many factors to a risk of heart disease, a good case can be made and it is a surer bet that, family history is the more reliable indicator of all the other indicators including enviorment and genetics in getting anyone's total known risk.

 My origonal quote:
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Family history is one of the best indicators of predisposition to many, many medical conditions heart disease is for sure one of them.
Its more eloquent and cautious as one would expect from a medical publication,  but it is damn near a paraphrase of exactly what I said.
 You may be a doctor Patton but this is english...not Latin...others can understand it too.
11  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Doesn't Palin demonstrate how empty all this talk of "experience" really is? on: September 01, 2008, 10:54:10 AM
 McCain has a 95%  Bush compliant voting record... Maybe not a clone, but he is at least very much politically aligned with junior.
  "McSame" is a practical shorthand way to remind all of the aforementioned indisputable fact.
 I apologize if it seems "childish" to you... I do not however apologize for illuminating that alliance.
12  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Doesn't Palin demonstrate how empty all this talk of "experience" really is? on: September 01, 2008, 08:51:53 AM
Any one can die in office, get incapacitated through illness, or even resign or be impeached.  So, sure, the VP candidate counts.  So McCain selected someone with more experience than Obama, and less than say, the current standing VP.  Obama chose someone with more experience and more connections in the party and government than he himself has.  In this, he seems to have taken a page from GW's book.  Not really sure why he would want to do that.  It would appear McCain wants it clear that he will be in charge and will not be planing to take ques from his VP.

Which of these two stances looks more like the current administration?
Given the underlying politics involved , I am flabbergasted that you would have the balls to even ask that question.
 We are supposed to conclude from your analysis of this that somehow Obama is more like Bush than McSame?  YGBFKM!
Palin has more experience than Obama? Oh because she is an executive leader? Governor of a State with 600,000 people? Obama represented more people than that (748,189) in his 13th district when he was in the Illinois Senate! I suppose if she were a cub scout den leader that would brand her as an "executive leader"as well? What a joke!
13  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Doesn't Palin demonstrate how empty all this talk of "experience" really is? on: September 01, 2008, 07:20:51 AM
 Veteran studies have shown that Viet vets and especially Viet POWs are highly prone to Posttraumatic Stress Disorder . McCain's records on his PTSD are locked away for "privacy" reasons.
 
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John McCain's suicide attempt and his resulting PTSD
By Ted Sampley
U.S. Veteran Dispatch
December 23, 2007
Presidential candidate John McCain's recently released Christmas ad depicting him as a tortured POW survivor underscores a reoccurring theme McCain's handlers have, for decades, carefully intertwined deep into his public persona and political campaigns.

McCain says because he survived 5½ years of brutal torture, while a prisoner of the communist Vietnamese, he is better qualified to be president of the United States than any other candidate. McCain claims his POW sufferings included three years in solitary confinement where he was tortured so badly that he "broke," causing him to attempt suicide.

What McCain's promoters have carefully edited out of their McCain-for-president equation is his post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Department of Defense psychiatrists have evaluated McCain for PTSD several times, the results of which remain locked by privacy laws.

PTSD can develop after exposure to a terrifying event or ordeal in which physical harm occurred or was threatened. U.S. government studies have concluded that former POWs "may remain embroiled in a harsh psychological battle with themselves for decades after returning home."

An outcome of PTSD is a subtle web of personal problems including difficulty in controlling intense emotions such as anger and an inability to function well under stress.
 Psychologist Patricia B. Sutker of the New Orleans Veterans Administration Medical Center and her colleagues reported in a 1991 issue of the American Journal of Psychiatry that as many as nine of 10 surviving U.S. servicemen taken captive during the Korean War may suffer from PTSD and other mental disorders more than 35 years after their release.

In a follow-up study, VA experts concluded that POWs suffer "a much greater risk of developing PTSD than combat veterans."
http://www.usvetdsp.com/dec07/mccain_suicide_ptsd.htm

  Other studies have shown that Vets who sufer the effects of PTSD are twice as likely to die of heart diease.
 
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PTSD Causes Early Death From Heart Disease, Study Suggests
ScienceDaily (July 8, 2008) — Vietnam veterans who experienced posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) were twice as likely to die from heart disease as veterans without PTSD, a new Geisinger study finds.


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In a study published in the July issue of Psychosomatic Medicine, Geisinger Senior Investigator Joseph Boscarino, PhD, MPH examined the prevalence of heart disease, PTSD and other problems in more than 4,000 Vietnam veterans.

The more severe the PTSD diagnosis, the greater the likelihood of death from heart disease, the study showed.

Vietnam veterans with PTSD--like chronic smokers--are at higher risk of early death from heart disease, Dr. Boscarino concluded. Boscarino equated PTSD to smoking two to three packs of cigarettes per day for more than 20 years.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080707081834.htm

 This is more evidence that McCains choice of VP is more important than it would be for most. Coupled with his advancing age and familial history suggests that his dying in office is far ,far from being out of the question.

 
14  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Doesn't Palin demonstrate how empty all this talk of "experience" really is? on: August 31, 2008, 08:24:44 PM

 This first one is pretty close to a verbatim of my quote ...and it wasn't even very hard to find.
 
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Given the multifactorial nature of an individual’s risk, it can be argued that an individual’s familial risk of disease may, in fact, be a better indicator of the many complex interactions among predisposing genetic and environmental factors than can be captured by an individual’s own risk factors.
http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0749379702005871
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Scientists using powerful new genetics research methods have for the first time identified a snippet of DNA common to many people that dramatically increases the chances of developing heart disease.
http://www.boston.com/yourlife/health/blog/2007/05/genetic_link_to.html
 
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As a result of the atherosclerotic process, cardiovascular disease is due to the interaction between environmental risk factors, such as diet, physical inactivity, smoking, and an individual's genetic makeup. Hundreds of genes are believed to be involved in the process of atherogenesis and the susceptibility to cardiovascular disease. These include genes that regulate lipid metabolism, inflammatory and immune responses, endothelial function, and coagulation. Other genes involved in obesity, insulin resistance, diabetes, elevated homocysteine levels, and hypertension have been identified, but their mechanisms in the atherosclerotic process are not well understood (Lusis, 2003). The genes involved in lipid metabolism have been extensively studied and identified, specifically the gene coding for the low-density lipoprotein (LDL) receptor.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FSS/is_4_13/ai_n17207369
15  Political Discussions / United States / Re: The scoop on Palin - 19 year old Son being deployed to Iraq ON 9/11 on: August 31, 2008, 08:00:21 PM
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a 19 year son joined the military on sept 11th 2007 and will be deployed to Iraq in two weeks on Sept 11th.
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I really like this lady...

 Cindy Shenan had a son deployed to Iraq as well... If that is the criteria for your affection ,you must really like that lady too.
 
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