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1  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Sarah "Barracuda" Palin. Heart sends cease and desist. on: Today at 08:36:37 AM
It sure is nice to see those who wish to lead placing a high priority on protecting rights.
2  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Meet Sarah Plain: Cookoo Religious Nut on: September 04, 2008, 07:44:29 PM
Pastor Kalnins has preached that critics of President Bush will all be banished to hell, questioned whether people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to heaven.


WWJD?



Quote from: John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

As I understand things, this is the core tenet of the Christian faith.

A suggestion that entrance into heaven is achieved through one's action (in this case one's vote) is contradictory to this teaching, IMO.
3  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Biden says criminal violations will be pursued on: September 04, 2008, 05:22:31 PM
I agree that there should be prosecution if in fact there has been a violation of the law. To my thinking its likely that there has been, but that's just my speculation and I'd rather not put excessive federal funding (like was give Ken Starr) into finding out.

It's poor strategy for the Obama/Biden campaign to talk about this though, and I think they understand that. People that want to pursue Bush/Cheney prosecution aren't likely to be voting for McCain anyway. It may bring some out to vote for Obama/Biden that would have stayed home, but in lower numbers than the undecideds it is likely to turn away. I think many people would perceive it as a continuance and escalation of political witch hunts, at least more people than just republicans.

4  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Why do Republicans think like this? on: September 04, 2008, 04:46:56 PM
On the one hand, Ryan, I know where you're coming from. I listened to a couple hours of empty name calling and criticism of Obama at a family cookout this weekend. Not one, I repeat, not one single policy of his was discussed, just insults and generalizations. The exception was when asked why I was voting for him, I said his energy policy. The only criticism that I heard about it was that he wasn't actually going to do any of it, unsubstantiated.

This was bothersome to me. Not because my family members are more conservative than myself, but because what they were talking about wasn't actually politics. Without a frame of reference as to the subject of the conversation's party or ideology, an outside observer wouldn't have been able to tell what actual positions or philosophies of government were being extolled. My family members are not rude people, ten years ago you wouldn't have heard insults and innuendo at my family's cookout. Many of them have been caught up in divisive us-vs-them pseudo-politics


On the other hand, a few days before I went to the cookout, I ran into an old friend who has a hard liberal bent. Over a beer, he demanded that I vote for Obama, After I had just explained why I was going to vote for Obama. Oddly enough, I didn't hear one single f'ing comment on actual policy from him either, just a vague assertion that Biden is 'too conservative'. I was finally able to change the subject by telling him that I wanted Obama to win and that the blind, idiotic personality cult that some of his supporters belong to is actually hurting chances come November.


The lesson to be taken away from this? Idiocy comes in all varieties of the political spectrum. Your (and mine) experiences with pseudo-conservative relatives can no more be generalized to 99.9% of Republicans than the personality cult can be generalized to 99.9% of Democrats.

I'd say it's more like 70%.
5  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Meet Sarah Plain: Cookoo Religious Nut on: September 04, 2008, 04:20:06 PM
I do see this as fairly analogous to the Wright issue. Patton is right, people should object or just leave when nonsense like this is being spouted from the pulpit. I don't really see either case as that big of a deal though. It certainly doesn't raise my opinion of either of them, but it's not really a big issue to me.

It can be an indication of the influences on the candidate, but IMO, demanding that people own or disown statements made by someone else has reached a level of true absurdity in this country.
6  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Doesn't Palin demonstrate how empty all this talk of "experience" really is? on: September 03, 2008, 07:28:20 PM
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The image of her holding a gun... wearing the attitude glasses... etc, it's all some erotic fantasy a man has of what a woman in office should be, in a man's world.

I agree with this 100%. I can see it in the eyes of every man I know that likes her. It's that secretary-ish, let-me-tie-you-up kind of chick that they want to look at for the next for years.

I think her extreme anti-abortion stance fits into this. Belief that rape victims should be forced to carry the attackers seed is a hard stance against women's rights.


I'm shocked by this choice from McCain's strategist. Ultimately I don't think this gimmick is going to work. The fact that it has a decent enough chance for them to try it is alarming to me. The deeper issue here is anti-politic, people have come to feel powerless then apathetic about unresponsive government and it becomes something of a joke.


Following McCain's campaign is like reading Maxim Magazine, except that it gives me no insight into the consumer electronics market, and the chicks are older.
7  Political Discussions / United States / Re: The Inconsistences in both parties on: September 03, 2008, 06:22:40 PM
Both parties encroach on free speech farther than I would like. In addition to the video game and music censorship racket (bipartisan cooperation in action), each side has it's ideas on how people should be limited in or penalized for certain instances of expression. Some criticize flag burning amendments while advocating hate crimes laws and some push for hate crimes legislation while criticizing flag burning legislation.

Accompanying this is pc culture in which each side has a stake. Mind your choice of words and how you phrase things all around, lest you get labeled a racist or have your patriotism called into question.

It is inconsistent to declare some kinds of expression to be protected, and other kinds to be deserving of a penalty.
8  Political Discussions / United States / Re: She'll palin comparison on: September 02, 2008, 07:22:59 PM
Excellent strategy, gomper7.

They can always put Palin in a wet t-shirt contest in front of some bikers if things get bad.

Got be worth at least a 2~3% bump.
9  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Palin Requests Millions in Wasteful Earmarks on: September 02, 2008, 06:29:03 PM
Most of the projects drawing the funding sound like good uses of money.

IMO, earmarks, though they can be (and often are) wasteful have a connotation more negative than they deserve. They should be transparent, so people are aware of who's spending what, but I'm not for any political witch-hunts.

My biggest problem with this is that the money should have been coming more (much more) from the state government than the federal government. I might think differently on the matter if AK government was poor, but it's not.


This is a classic case of passing the buck (invoice) on. The AK government wants to pass the cost on to the rest of us, so that it can cut state taxes. It's just the federal treasury (read: federal debt) anyway, so who's counting?
10  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Palin's Unwed Daughter Pregnant on: September 02, 2008, 04:54:48 PM
*Fun with Spaces*




Conservatives believe in raising babies and killing taxes and Liberals*

*well... ya know... they think the opposite*

It's only natural to want to kill those who disagree with you.

I guess they could puncture the babies scull and suck out its brains and Then cut the baby apart and pull it out piece by piece...

Alright bud, I've heard enough of this.

Now turn off the computer, and Saw XXIV, and go get some fresh air.
11  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Conservatives and incompetence on: September 01, 2008, 08:43:53 PM
So now McCain picks a candidate who denies basic science. Palin wants "intelligent design" taught alongside real science in High School, and doesn't believe that humans are responsible for global warming.

Competence starts with accepting reality.

I really have not seen her stance on these issues yet, but um, before I just take your word for it, do you have anything to back up these statements?


I was curious myself, so I looked into it. I found this from 2006. 

Quote from: Anchorage Daily News, October 27, 2006
The volatile issue of teaching creation science in public schools popped up in the Alaska governor's race this week when Republican Sarah Palin said she thinks creationism should be taught alongside evolution in the state's public classrooms.

Palin was answering a question from the moderator near the conclusion of Wednesday night's televised debate on KAKM Channel 7 when she said, "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."

...

The teaching of creationism, which relies on the biblical account of the creation of life, has been ruled by the U.S. Supreme Court as an unconstitutional injection of religion into public education.

Last December, in a widely publicized local case, a federal judge in Pennsylvania threw out a city school board's requirement that "intelligent design" be mentioned briefly in science classes. Intelligent design proposes that biological life is so complex that some kind of intelligence must have shaped it.

"I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."

She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state's required curriculum.

Members of the state school board, which sets minimum requirements, are appointed by the governor and confirmed by the Legislature.

"I won't have religion as a litmus test, or anybody's personal opinion on evolution or creationism," Palin said.

Palin has occasionally discussed her lifelong Christian faith during the governor's race but said teaching creationism is nothing she has campaigned about or even given much thought to.

"We're talking about the gas line and PERS/TERS," she said Thursday, referring to the proposed natural gas pipeline and public employee and teacher retirement systems.

The Republican Party of Alaska platform says, in its section on education: "We support giving Creation Science equal representation with other theories of the origin of life. If evolution is taught, it should be presented as only a theory."




I like the fact that she doesn't bs about intelligent design, and just calls it creationism.
12  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Gustav gravy train arriving on: September 01, 2008, 08:13:51 PM
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Compassionate conservatism...

  There are some major problems with the way the feds handle disaster relief.  FEMA is a spectacular failure.  Yet Congress is still writing them enormous checks (52 billion for Katrina).  Thr federal governments ongoing bad habit of keeping alive their failures.  As Ron Paul has stated: "there is every indication that FEMA is nothing but a bureaucratic black hole that spends money without the slightest accountability . Any federal aid should be distributed as directly as possible to local communities, rather than through wasteful middlemen like FEMA. We cannot let tragedy blind us to fiscal realities, namely the staggering budget deficits and national debt that threaten to devastate our economy.".
  I'm all for disaster relief.  One of my best friends drives an ERV for the Red Cross.  But the federal government has already shown their incompetence in the way they handle disaster relief.  In the real world they would of lost their charter for their incompetence.  Lets bring them up to real world standards instead of just digging our grave deeper and deeper.


I agree with Paul's idea here. We have some of the unused FEMA trailers near my town, just sitting there.

I'm not opposed to federal money going to disaster relief, it isn't even the absurdly large sums that really irritate me. It's the waste, the fact that the money isn't actually having the effect that it should, the incompetence with which it is spent. Paul's thoughts here seem very logical in the sense that the local agencies that need the supplies and money would not be as likely to waste it, by say, paying to send hundreds of trailers to sit on a hillside in the middle of nowhere in western MD.
13  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Palin's Unwed Daughter Pregnant on: September 01, 2008, 08:00:51 PM
It's sad too, because the issue of the trooper getting fired is a bigger deal and is a direct public concern. I see the daughter's pregnancy as a private matter. It's a shame how families get brought into politics (I'm also tired of candidates families being touted for positive coverage).

Quote from: The New York Times
By ELISABETH BUMILLER
Published: September 1, 2008

ST. PAUL — A series of disclosures about Gov. Sarah Palin, Senator John McCain’s choice as running mate, called into question on Monday how thoroughly Mr. McCain had examined her background before putting her on the Republican presidential ticket.

On Monday morning, Ms. Palin and her husband, Todd, issued a statement saying that their 17-year-old unmarried daughter, Bristol, was five months pregnant and that she intended to marry the father.

...

Although the McCain campaign said that Mr. McCain had known about Bristol Palin’s pregnancy before he asked her mother to join him on the ticket and that he did not consider it disqualifying, top aides were vague on Monday about how and when he had learned of the pregnancy, and from whom.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/us/politics/02vetting.html?em



Disqualify her?


Of course not, because the pregnancy announcement lends itself to this:

Quote from:
ST. PAUL, Minnesota (CNN) -- Key evangelical leaders rallied to Sarah Palin's support Monday amid news that her 17-year-old daughter, Bristol, was having a child.
Sarah Palin confirmed Monday that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant.

Sarah Palin confirmed Monday that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant.

"Before, they were excited about her, with the Down syndrome baby," conservative, anti-tax activist Grover Norquist said. "But now with this, they are over the moon. It reinforces the fact that this family lives its pro-life values."


They're willingly dragging 17 year old girl into the political spotlight to woo the religious right.

This is cheap and disgusting. I have less respect for both McCain and Palin for this.
14  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Guys, It's The Right To Lifer Aspect That Makes Palin So Palatable on: August 31, 2008, 07:37:40 PM
Though I shouldn't be I'm always amused at how little interest the topic of birth control and abortion draw on this male dominated forum.  Not your problem guy?

That's pretty sexist if you ask me.

In fact we have had a few discussions on abortion. This one reached 16 pages.



I think you're right though about the right to life aspect being what makes Palin seem a good choice to the McCain campaign. She is to McCain's problems with the religious right what Biden is to Obama's problems with moderates regarding foreign policy. IMO, this was most likely seen as a necessary element by McCain's strategists, probably more so than the fact that she's a woman. If they were looking to pick up Clinton supporters they probably wouldn't have gone with someone who thinks rape victims should be forced to bear their attacker's child to term.
15  Political Discussions / United States / Re: Thoughts on Hurricane Gustav on: August 31, 2008, 10:33:26 AM
Quote from: Bloomberg.com
Energy producers have idled 6.6 percent of oil output and 1.8 percent of natural-gas production in the Gulf because of Gustav, the U.S. Minerals Management Service said yesterday in a statement on its Web site.

Personnel from 17 rigs and six production platforms had been evacuated as of 12:30 p.m. yesterday in Washington, according to the statement. The shutdowns halted 86,000 barrels of oil and 136 million cubic feet of gas a day.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aeW1llhhhOoo&refer=home

This has the potential to bring energy issues to the forefront, which will be bad for McCain and the RNC.

No act of god here though, just decades of poor planning in energy policy.
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