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Political Discussions / Europe and Asia / Re: Welcome back, 19th century
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on: June 25, 2008, 09:46:58 AM
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I can't imagine a worker rejecting an increasing in working hours proposed by an employer. Why? If the worker doesn't want to work more, he will just tell his boss "go to hell, if you are not happy we go on strike." and unions will be all too happy to take their red flags and picket untill the director apologize. The worker works under written contract and if the contract states that he has to work 48h, he has no obligation to accept to work more under any circumstance and he/she can't be fired before the termination of the contract. Why it would boost employement? First by turning legal black workers (seasonal workers, foreign construction workers etc) For the "Polish plumber" the 60h week is already a matter of fact. I agree that this is not creating jobs, just legalizing. But as statistics and social security are concerned, jobs are being created. Second by allowing flexibility, some jobs that were until now too expensive to be created because they would require two persons working 40 or 48 hours each, can now be offered. I imagine some low duty work such as sitting on a chair reading a magazine until a monitor beeps, mowing lawn and gathering leafs etc But more specificaly there could situations when one ned somebody 60 hours a week: Under the current legislation this has to be done through two 3/4 times of 30h which is more expensive and more complicated than one full time +1/4. The only problem is if the hourly salary depreciate. We can imagine that on the long term, long weeks become the norm and finaly the basic salary which coupled with inflation, is the same than a 48h week salary a few years before. I don't think we will get there soon but I agree it's worth watching. Today, there's a joke by El Roto (EL PAIS) about the first point of your answer. I find this thing pretty adapted to my opinion. http://www.elpais.com/vineta/?d_date=20080625&autor=El%20Roto&anchor=elpporopivin&xref=20080625elpepivin_4&type=Tes&k=RotoTranslation: Look, leave you of unions and intermediaries, and you and I agree, freely, on your working conditions Yes Sir
And finally, I can admit, as you are explaining, that there are several jobs that can need different work conditions but for these situations we have sectoral agreements that IMO are more suited to solve these cases rather than a huge proposition like this.
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Political Discussions / Europe and Asia / Re: Ireland rejects EU consitution
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on: June 18, 2008, 04:32:28 AM
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I don't now.
My point is that as long you will ask a certain population to vote, there will be a high chance of "No". Irish voted because they knew that they were splitted over this topic hence the negative turnout.
Democracy is not following leaders, it's about trusting them for what they do. And if these leaders say "we must ratify this treaty", you assume that they are right because you know their political program, the promises they have made before being elected and their political color. And more importantly because you choosed them. If you voted for them, it's not to vote again to go against their decisions.
And the leaders know that if they don't take decision in the interest of the population, they won't rule on the next term. The problem with a referendum is that the said leaders will follow a decision taken by the population which can be the wrong one but when the negative effect of this decision will surface, the leaders will take the blame. It's also a sign of weakness, lack of decision taking power.
Of course we give confidence and support to governments but, IMO, this confidence has to have some limits. In my country one of these limits is written and establishes that a government can't change our constitution without a referendum after resign as government. So, if my government can't change a single word of our constitution by itself why my government must approve a constitution of a higher level by itself? Even more, I found difficult to understand how countries that reject the first constitution presented in a referendum now are approving the Treaty without a new referendum. I agree with you in the idea that this issue is a complicated one but I think that we must demand more information from our politics rather than trying to choose different ways after seeing how people didn't support the constitution presented. So, I guess that the first step needed here is trying to involve people in European issues because without this step what we are doing is building the Europe of a few.
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Political Discussions / Europe and Asia / Re: Ireland rejects EU consitution
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on: June 16, 2008, 10:08:29 AM
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The Irish didn't get it: You don't make a referendum for such a thing, it's bound to fail. Everybody is proud of their nationality and if you ask The Poeple wether they want to be a little bit less of themselves, they will say "NO" of course. IMO, the EU affairs are too complicated to ask the opinion of millions of poeple. We live in a democracy and in a democracy you trust your leaders. So if the leaders YOU elected decide to instore an european constitution why opposing it? BRUSSELS - European Union leaders will press Ireland this week on ways to overcome its rejection of an EU reform treaty, but Irish Prime Minister Brian Cowen said the bloc must also contribute to a solution. articleIn my country, we said "YES" in the previous referendum, just "following our leaders"...
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Political Discussions / Europe and Asia / Re: Welcome back, 19th century
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on: June 16, 2008, 09:58:54 AM
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I don't realy understand this article: First it states that the weekly limit will be 60h, then that it will be 65 (without explanantion), then that the dayly limit would be 13 hours thus a 6 days week would total 78 hours! I can't sort out this non-sens, but ok. The 60 hours week takes effect only after mutual agrement on a personal basis between the employer and the worker. Nobody is forced to work that long to make a living. It only allows poeple who want to work more than 48h to earn more money. It can be 50h, 55h etc.The big diference is that these extra hours won't have to be in black. It will safe, taxed and insured good working time under a legal contract with all the protection for the workers. But the most important is that these extra hours won't be doubled-taxed as it's the case now. For seasonal jobs it might be extremely useful. I can imagine that it can be useful also for poeple who realy need money quickely and who are ready to work that much for a few weeks. The on-call duty when the worker is living in the company facility is also an excellent idea for foreign workers who don't have a place where to live anyway. They will be very happy with such arrangement. From the employer side, this flexibility will allow to legaly engage more workers than before and help reduce unemployement. I applaud this proposition. Fredledingue, thanks for your answer. Highlighted paragraph is the most important reason why I can't agree with the proposition. I mean, IMO, "honest" mutual agreements between employer and workers are simply not possible. I can't imagine a worker rejecting an increasing in working hours proposed by an employer. Even more when the employer has thousands of workers or thousands of people who need to have any work. However, I agree with you that we have a problem with tax system. But I think that solutions can't be included in a package like that. Even more, I guess that solutions for this problem have to be given by laws we already got ...but that would be another debate. And finally, I find difficult to understand that having people working more hours would help unemployment rates.
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Political Discussions / Europe and Asia / Re: Scotland independence?
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on: May 08, 2008, 11:38:52 PM
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I think I can sort of answer both in one reply if I may?
Scotland was a country and is a country and yet is being ruled by another country. To me that is anathema. Scotland, Wales and Ireland - ALL of Ireland - have the right to be independent of the rule of another country because they were countries before they fell under the control of a third country.
The Basque "Region" - I note they have started to call it a country now even though it isn't - never was another country. It is part of a country and separating out is also anathema to me. The Basque terrorists - or separatists as they fashion themselves, ignoring the bombings they undertake to terrorize, are only miffed because they are not in total control. Tough!
I feel the same way about Quebec. Quebec is part of Canada and the Quebec terrorists - or now, separatists (not much in the way of bombing so I can cut them some slack in the "name" department) - have no right to separate from Canada simply because the land isn't theirs...it belongs to the people of Canada. But that was the fault of the British who, after defeating the French, instead of doing what other countries of the time might have done and eliminating them altogether, allowed the French to stay to help build Canada...and they did.
Actually, during the 80's I accepted the separation of the French if they wanted, but there had to be restrictions. For example, since the St. Lawrence Seaway is an integral and very important part of Canada, they of course could not have or live within say 500 miles of the St Lawrence Seaway. If they wanted to "separate" they would have to move part and parcel away from that part of Canada so they could be independent. They of course could also not have any control over the electricity network in Quebec that feeds the N. E. part of the States as that belongs to Canada. They could of course negotiate fees for buying electricity from Canada, but they would need to be far enough away from the existing power stations so that a now "foreign" country could not damage that Canadian network.
Ridiculous of course, and it was intended to be.
A country that historically was a country wants to break free from the control of another country, the people in that country should have that right; but when just a group of people that want to be in control of the whole, and are pouting because they will never be in control of the whole, then try and take something away from the whole so those pouting can feel like they are now somebody...to me that is just wrong.
Sincerely, I dislike using history as a rule to write the future. In my opinion, if a region was or not a country in the past is not a strong argument to establish what that region should be in the future. I mean, I prefer to be more pragmatic on the issue, and being more pragmatic means talking about people's wishes and necessities.
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Political Discussions / Europe and Asia / Re: Scotland independence?
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on: May 08, 2008, 02:35:43 AM
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The Scots can become independent any time they want. They just need to gain an SNP majority in the Scottish parliament and vote in a referendum for independence.
Simple as.
Too much simple, in my opinion. As I've said above to define a good framework for a referendum would be a difficult issue. First question, who are the Scots that you're talking about? I mean, do you let people from England o Wales that, right now, are living in Scotland vote? Same question to Scottish people that right now are living away from Scotland
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Political Discussions / Europe and Asia / Re: Scotland independence?
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on: May 07, 2008, 11:46:32 PM
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I think I can sort of answer both in one reply if I may?
Scotland was a country and is a country and yet is being ruled by another country. To me that is anathema. Scotland, Wales and Ireland - ALL of Ireland - have the right to be independent of the rule of another country because they were countries before they fell under the control of a third country.
The Basque "Region" - I note they have started to call it a country now even though it isn't - never was another country. It is part of a country and separating out is also anathema to me. The Basque terrorists - or separatists as they fashion themselves, ignoring the bombings they undertake to terrorize, are only miffed because they are not in total control. Tough!
I feel the same way about Quebec. Quebec is part of Canada and the Quebec terrorists - or now, separatists (not much in the way of bombing so I can cut them some slack in the "name" department) - have no right to separate from Canada simply because the land isn't theirs...it belongs to the people of Canada. But that was the fault of the British who, after defeating the French, instead of doing what other countries of the time might have done and eliminating them altogether, allowed the French to stay to help build Canada...and they did.
Actually, during the 80's I accepted the separation of the French if they wanted, but there had to be restrictions. For example, since the St. Lawrence Seaway is an integral and very important part of Canada, they of course could not have or live within say 500 miles of the St Lawrence Seaway. If they wanted to "separate" they would have to move part and parcel away from that part of Canada so they could be independent. They of course could also not have any control over the electricity network in Quebec that feeds the N. E. part of the States as that belongs to Canada. They could of course negotiate fees for buying electricity from Canada, but they would need to be far enough away from the existing power stations so that a now "foreign" country could not damage that Canadian network.
Ridiculous of course, and it was intended to be.
A country that historically was a country wants to break free from the control of another country, the people in that country should have that right; but when just a group of people that want to be in control of the whole, and are pouting because they will never be in control of the whole, then try and take something away from the whole so those pouting can feel like they are now somebody...to me that is just wrong.
Just one quick comment. "Basque Country" or Euskadi are the names of that region under Spanish law. They're not a country as you've said but those are its legal names.
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Political Discussions / Europe and Asia / Re: Labour party, where are you going?
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on: May 07, 2008, 11:29:17 PM
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Okay, when Labour came into power, they (by which I mean Gordon Brown) brought in a 10% tax band, between about £4000 and I think about £17000 income a year. So the poor paid less taxes (before then, that band was at the 20+ rate). I'm not sure about the exact numbers. But anyway, that was the lowest tax band, then above that you paid 22%, up to about £35000 a year, after that you paid 40%. But recently, Gordon Brown lowered the 22% rate to 20% but abolished the 10% rate, so from about £5000 to about £35000 (I think) you pay 20% income tax. So all the low-paid workers pay more tax. Now, he also raised benefits for low-paid parents and others who get income support, and is raising the minimum wage, but if you're a normal, childless, low-paid worker, you're paying a few hundred more pounds of tax a year, maybe a thousand. However, middle-class proffesionals are paying a bit less tax. So to most people, it looked like Gordon Brown was trying to buy middle-class votes at the expense of the working class, by abolishing a policy that he himself brought in 11 years ago. It's a very un-Labour policy. So as you can imagine, many Labour back-benchers, as old socialists and trade unionists, were very unhappy about this. And the Conservatives, who of course present themselves as a low-tax party, have been going around saying to working class people that Brown is raising their taxes. I note that the Tories have said that, if elected, they aren't promising to change the rates back... they wouldn't want to raise middle-class taxes, now would they!
Thanks for your explanation. I guess that UK's next elections will take place in 2009, so I found this tax reform a risky one. But, truly, do you think that Brown can make such a reform without thinking about the next elections? In my opinion there are two ways of analyze the reform: First, UK's economy needs that reform and that will leave the economy in 2009 in a better place that without doing that reform. Second, Brown "takes" for granted working class people votes (hoping that they would forgot this issue next year or giving it less importance than now) and decides to fight for middle class people votes. Anyway, I think that conservatives are working everywhere to develop tax systems with a single band or the minimum possible, and unfortunately, I think that left parties are helping them to achieve that goal.
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Political Discussions / Europe and Asia / Re: Scotland independence?
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on: May 07, 2008, 10:59:04 PM
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Is there any British who could give us a point of view of the issue? What most Scottish people would think about independence? Seems just a tad contradictory there DIEGO. Asking someone that is "British" what a Scot would think about Independence is like asking an Iraqi if they enjoy the Rape of Iraq to steal their water (yes, I did write water, because the water in Iraq is more important to Israel than the oil). Scots - my ancestors on my grandmother's side - have been trying to gain independence from England ever since the English invasion of Scotland and the murder of many thousands of Scots. Scotland wants independence for many reasons, and the use of Scottish territory by the English for the testing of the so-called "depeted" uranium nuclear weapons being used by America and England in the Rape of Iraq is only one of the reasons. As well, citing English govt, mouthpiece website to try and ascertain how Scots feel about independence is like believing The Bush Regime's con that Iraqis would toss flowers at the American invasion forces. Ask a Scot. Go to a Scottish website. Cite a Scottish website. You can also check with the people of Ireland and Wales since they have wanted to be free from the English for centuries as well. Perhaps also check with some Australians who have been trying to get rid of the idiocy of their being ruled by a monarchy. The Republic of Australia has been on the front burner for some time. Thanks for your comment on the issue.
Here in Spain, we have the "same" discussion with Basque Country, Catalonia and even Galicia. If I understood what you've said is that Scottish people are the only ones to decide about Scotland independence.
Truly, I don't have a solid opinion about how a referendum for independence must be carry out, nevertheless, I think that the opinion of the main country has to be included in the formula.
In my opinion what can't happen (never) is that one day a part of the country decides 51%-49% to leave the country and break the country. Reasons why that can't happen:
1) What kind of part can we let drive a referendum? A 1 million people part? A village? 2) Don't we have to consider the opinion of the people who has moved in recent years, for example, from Scotland? 3) Can a country let destroy itself? For example, can Spain allow Madrid's independence if they wanted?
Talking again about Spain. Nowadays, "Basque Country" has on the table a proposal for "half-independence" to be achieved by a referendum. But the thing is that that referendum is simply illegal
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Political Discussions / Law and Government / Tunnels between public and private sectors
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on: May 04, 2008, 01:55:32 PM
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This post deals basically with law and moral. I guess that is a tough one but nowadays is one of the main topics of the political discussion in Spain. Today, El Pais publishes an article related to the problem (from an internal perspective) http://www.elpais.com/articulo/espana/Politicos/millon/euros/elpepuesp/20080504elpepinac_12/TesUnfortunately, the article is a Spanish one but I will try to make a small summary. After the past General Elections in Spain important people are moving from public to private sector but these movements are quite controversial. Firstly, Eduardo Zaplana former minister and last spokesman of the conservative party is moving to Telefonica because he has a strong relation with Silvio Berlusconi in order to improve relations between Telefonica and Italy. Secondly, David Taguas former director of the Prime Minister’s Economic Office is moving to SEOPAN which is a kind of lobby of the major construction Spanish companies. Probably, some of you would be thinking that this is a Spanish problem but … what about Rodrigo Rato (Lazard, Santander and Criteria), Gerhard Schröder (Gazprom) or Tony Blair (JPMorgan). Those persons were also included in the article. In Spain we have changed incompatibility law in 1983, 1991, 1995 and 2006 but, in my opinion, it seems that this law is still not good enough. It's a difficult topic as I've said before, but what do you think about this issue? Are you concerned about tunnels between public and private sectors?
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Political Discussions / Europe and Asia / Re: Scotland independence?
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on: April 06, 2008, 03:01:30 AM
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So you are from the Basque country then ? Are you pro independance or against ? What do you think of ETA ? Sorry for the digression, but i find this more interesting than independance in my own country.
Sounds like an attempt to derail the thread. No, i was responding to Diego's post in which he mentioned Basque independance. I didn't raise the issue, merely showing an interest. I think that Basque Country independence is not the purpose of this post, anyway, I'm going to make a little comment on that.
I'm Spanish but not from the Basque Country. However, Basque Country's conflict is a well known issue for all the Spanish people. I'm not for independence of the Basque Country but I consider myself as a true democrat and I will support people's decisions. How could be carry out a referendum for independence? This would be a very difficult issue... However, in my opinion there's no possibility for independence while there is violence on the streets.
I hope to answer you in the way that you would wanted.
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