But nowadays, when women can do there are many women that rather prefer getting married than developing her own professional career.

Many of them rather prefer being at home, looking after the kids, than having a job where commitment and responsibility are required. Please, don't make me wrong. I'm only talking about those women with university studies, that do not want to have a job. The old traditional marriage: he is out looking for money to pay the bill and she stays home to rise the kids.

America's intention worldwide is the same intention the Spanish had in the 17th century, the Brits in the 19th century, the Julio Cesar's Rome, Napoleon.......no democracy in international relationships between countries. 

Jericoacoara wrote:
Jabato, I have a theory that some of the real fanatical muslims were born in western countries rather than the country where their parents were born.

Yes I agree with you, but then it is something deep inside the muslim religion itself. How can we explain that the third generation of Algerians in France are not integrated into the french society? How can we explain that there are neibourghoods in Paris where you just can't buy spirits? We shoudln't forget Salman Rusdhie and the death sentence that ayatolahs put over his head. It works, IMO, more or less the same way that socialism/comunism used to work: if you do not agree with them, you have to be beheaded. It does not matter where you are or the multiples reasoning you use to back your points of view, it is irrelevant. What is really important is that you disagree with them.

Jericoacoara wrote:
Many muslims living in islamic ruled countries are basically just trying to work and provide for their family.

This is for sure Jericoacoara. I know some of them who are really very nice people, but even those people still believe that there is some sort of offense in the danish cartoons, but they don't see that offense when christians are the ones insulted. What I mean is that the spanish muslim communty "boss" do not call journalists to make a declaration saying that freedom of speech is oout of any question, apart from Judge Courts

Saludos para todos, folks

Machioveli wrote:
They are so oppressed by their own governments that they truly can't understand the concept that people in other parts of the world can speak freely. 

Honestly folks, IMO, this might be the reason why we do not see those moderates Muslims when they are needed. Perhaps they are so afraid they rather prefer to remain silent. Otherwise it is an absolutely cowardly behavior

Yilmaz101 wrote:
how does the holocaust and the West's policy on Holocaust fit in with your so called civil liberties.

Very easy Yilmaz! and exactly the same way that the freedom of speech works. A Civil Court will say if you're guilty or not regarding the holocaust. It is the same with the cartoons.

Yilmaz101 wrote:
I honestly see no difference between the radicals batllecries from those heard from other groups and people in the west in the past.

But Yilmaz101, as you say, "in the west and in the past", that's the problem IMO. No separation between personal, religious and individual belief and Civil Law.
Muslims are still socially living in 1351 A.C.. From a technological point of view they live in the 21st century, just like us, but socially..................................
I agree with Jericoacoara when he says that perhaps he wouldn't have published the cartoons if he was in charge of the danish newspaper, but for sure it is covered by the freedom of speech.
Imagine in a Muslim country a TV network putting Mahoma into a microwave. I've seen a crucifix into an oven. If this is not consider as an insult for our western society, why the Mahoma cartoons must be considered that way. Why do I have to feel guilty because of the cartoons. Not at all. If anyone feel is against their belief just hire a solicitor and try to get a compensation


Terry wrote:
I have even less respect for the radical Islamists that believe every person not of Islam needs to be destroyed. These terrorists within Islam need to be hunted down and killed like the rabid dogs they are

This is for sure. I fully agree with Terry here. They must be hunted down or put behind bars for a life time sentence. Apart from these two options, I'm sorry to say this, but there is not any other IMO.

Yilmaz101 wrote:
Muslims are extremely sensitive to the issue of these cartoons.

Extremely sensitive people living in Europe should know that there are only two possibilities: being not so sensitive or going back to your country. We can't accept the changing of our laws because Muslims are "extremely sensitive".


Yilmaz101 wrote:
 Having published them before the only reason I can see for them being republished is aggrevation of Muslims.
But Yilmaz101, that's irrelevant. If Muslims feel offended by the cartoons they should go to court to sue the danish newspaper. If they feel offended they are only allowed to do what our laws says regarding insults.

Yilmaz101 wrote:
They are doing it just to piss people off. OK people are pissed off but this time around the Danish youth groups, in their solidarity with Muslim youth set fire to the whole country.

But that's the way our system works. You say that the danish newspaper is doing it just to piss people off, so what?
What's the problem? They feel offended? It is simply, go to court and let our civil laws -not religious laws- to do their job. In western countries, those with a christian heritage, only a Civil Judge is able to declare you have offended someone with your words or not.

Saludos

It is not the first time I hear about that mafia stuff you talk about.

It is the bloody appeasement.
I wonder why Muslim immigrants living in European countries, can have their mosques built up in our soil and we are not allowed to build up churches in their countries. I wonder why when the Spain pays an official visit to Iran, women in the Spanish delegation cover their hair in order to respect the costume of Iran and when Iran pays the visit back to Spain......they do not compliment our Queen, because she is a woman!!!!!
I would be delighted to show them the way out

Reciprocity is the first step.


Saludos

Yilmaz101 wrote:
What matters is today and tomorrow, not yesterday.

That's your opinion but I just can't share it. IMO not only tadya and tomorrow matters, but yesterday too. History is there to show us what not to do...........once again


Yilmaz101 wrote:
If they don't want to live together and an accomodation can be reached then hey why the hell not? Let them split.

But is there any limit? Only regions can unilaterally declare independence or are towns and villages  allowed too?

Saludos

Fredledingue wrote:
The best example was the partition of Czechoslovakia.
Why Yugoslavia couldn't do the same. Ask Milosevic.

Religious fanatics?

Hi folks!

I've read that Kosovo has been always a Serbian province, perhaps the poorest one. It is a Serbian province at least since one century before Italy got it reunification. But even being so poor, Kosovo was richer than people in the other side of the border: Albanians. So many Albanians saw Kosovo as a place to get a better life. After the years there are more kosovars with an Albanian heritage than Serbians. Is this reason enough for independence? I mean, you let people come to your country because life is better and at the end they finally throw you away and declare that part of your soil is theirs. It is not fare IMO.

On the other hand, how is Kosovo  going to survive?

Saludos

I mean that this decision has been taken unilaterally by people from kosovo, but they are part of a country, so it seems to me an illegal decision.
Let's imagine London, Paris or Madrid deciding their own independence from the rest of the UK, France or Spain without the consent of the whole country.

But why unilaterally?

The mother of the King, married with a muslim? The King with muslims brothers?

I can hardly believe it was an accident.

The cartoons published in the danish paper is under our concept of freedom of speech. There's nothing wrong. I don't know in your countries, but in Spain I've watched on TV, how a crucifix is being cooked in a microwave. A theater play entitled "Me cago en Dios", I poo on God, I mean the christian God and his son are very often used to attack the Spanish Christian church and everybody says it is under the freedom of speech, why not the Jyllands-Posten?

Why aren't our politicians supporting Denmark when it is so clear? Why aren't our journalists supporting their colleagues in the Jyllands-Posten?  Where are the leaders of the moderates Muslims in Europe, rightnow to openly and publicly say that freedom of speech is only subjected to the civil law and only this civil-western-law is entitled to say if they are breaking the law or not?
They don't understand that we have to firmly stand against those who are intolerant and against those who, even not being so intolerant, remain silent when their word is needed.

Folks, the European tolerance of the intolerance is driving us through a dangerous path

Saludos