Does anyone here seriously believe EITHER candidate has done an honest days work in the last 20 or so years?

They are BOTH elitist scum.

And campaigns about ideals? Come on JPN. McCain may have been the one to sling the first mud in his own name, he may not have, I can't say has I do not watch TV and ignore any thing of that nature of radio and internet. But you know as well as I that mud was going to be thrown, its a time honored and proven effective tactic.

Perrin ; The popular lie about the photo Patton uses as his avatar is that Obama does not put his hand over his heart when the pledge is recited. It is this LIE that made this photo popular amoung right wing hacks looking to invent something to end his popularity. In fact the photo was taken at the start of the national anthem not the pledge.
 Obama asserts that he was taught as a child that "you put your hand over your heart for the pledge, when the anthem is played you sing"... Sounds good to me.
 Here is a photo of Obama reciting the pledge.
 
 Here is a photo Patton doesn't want us to look at...McCain embracing Bush and all he represents
  ...note how his eyes are closed in what appears to be a profound emotional display in an adoration of the man and what he stands for.

I'd rather McCain try and fail than to elect someone who has no intention of even trying to curb government spending but rather is looking to install tens...maybe hundreds of billions of dollars of new government and will absolutely soak ALL of us to pay for it.

Oh.....that just can't be.....he was OLD....

He conducted the affairs of his country towards the French nation with great success, which included securing a critical military alliance in 1778 and negotiating the Treaty of Paris (1783).

MY GOD!   He was 72 in 1778 and 77 in 1783!!!

Bury the man already......he's WORTHLESS.......He's OLD!

I noticed no answer on what data you use to make your determination:

...age brings with it a host of physical and mental dysfunctions...

Abraxas, you see what you want to see and are looking under rocks to find something wrong where there is no evidence there is.....you are playing as much a "could happen cuz he's old" game as much as anyone who wants to play the "could happen cuz he's a Middle-Aged African American male who smokes in a high stress environment" game...or the "could happen cuz of a crazy white guy" game....why you're at it, why not play the "could happen cuz his wife is crazy"....or the "could happen cuz his ex-minister laid the powah of a curse on him" game.....

His doctors gave him a clean bill of health....do you know more than them?

I can accept Obama's clean bill....even though he smokes.....can you accept McCains?

Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson and Jimmy Carter were used as examples of longevity....nothing more.....you seem to think life is over at 72.

And like you said: Carter was one of the worst presidents in American history....at the tender age of 53.

Wrong section, but I'll leave it so more people can see it. One of my all time favorite human beings.

RIP

And JPN is singing the old Democrat refrain.....Clinton is God....especially if you want to plan destruction of the WTC in peace.....but NOT if he's near your daughter......or unless you live in Waco......unless your hungry in Somalia......unless you are being slaughtered for years in Bosnia.....unless your being slaughtered in Rwanda......



It's really pathetic J feels the need to drag Bill out of some young interns hotel room and get HIM to run against McCain since the empty suit he's trying to prop up with a coat hanger can't stand on his own......