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« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2007, 01:09:40 PM » |
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When was there decency?
In early colonial America, colonists were forced to go to church. I read somewhere, don't remember where, that a study was done on these puritans and by studying marriage and birth records it was learned that a large percentage fo women must have been pregnant when they got married.
Later, the colonists became a nation and they helped cleanse this new land of American indians. After the Civil war, the cleansing continued, killing many women and children, just because they had red skin.
Decency. Yeah right. Was there decency during the roaring 20's?
Maybe it was the 1950's that people long for. When Richie Cunningham and Ralph Malph were learning about sex from Fonzie. We had decency on t.v. and on the radio with wholesome shows, but were the people decent?
I guess it depends on how you define "decency."
I am sick of how the media has seemed to stop policing itself, but government regulation is not the answer.
I have heard Opie and Anthony talking about their Mule more times than I care to admit.
I see sitcoms that totally revolve around sex. We have shows like 7th heaven, which started out wholesome, for one season, but then became centered around sex, since this is what it takes to get ratings. Our society has become obsesssed with sex and celebrities.
When the final report came out on Monica Lewinsky and the cigar, how many people went online to read about it?
Sickening.
The media reflects society and this society is not very decent. I am not sure we ever were, but we used to hide it a lot better than we do today. In my opinion, government regulation is not the answer.
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« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2007, 01:21:42 PM » |
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There is a difference between "needs" and "wants" and when you begin to categorize thats when people pull out that "subjective" crap. You cannot prevent or stop the exploitation of consumers, laborers, whatever; and thats where Marx was wrong. Right?
Not when they rise up against the capitalistic oppressors. Want to end exploitation? Put resources into education. The communist manifesto -- the common sense of the Bolshevik revolution -- was a pamphlet to educate the proletariat to rise up and reclaim their dignity. Either way, education is the only way to end the shackles that Corporate America has on our liberty. Because as long as we don't acknowledge it we will continue to live the self-destructive lifestyle that they promote. |
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« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2007, 01:25:36 PM » |
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When was there decency?
In early colonial America, colonists were forced to go to church. I read somewhere, don't remember where, that a study was done on these puritans and by studying marriage and birth records it was learned that a large percentage fo women must have been pregnant when they got married.
Later, the colonists became a nation and they helped cleanse this new land of American indians. After the Civil war, the cleansing continued, killing many women and children, just because they had red skin.
Decency. Yeah right. Was there decency during the roaring 20's?
Maybe it was the 1950's that people long for. When Richie Cunningham and Ralph Malph were learning about sex from Fonzie. We had decency on t.v. and on the radio with wholesome shows, but were the people decent?
I guess it depends on how you define "decency."
I am sick of how the media has seemed to stop policing itself, but government regulation is not the answer.
I have heard Opie and Anthony talking about their Mule more times than I care to admit.
I see sitcoms that totally revolve around sex. We have shows like 7th heaven, which started out wholesome, for one season, but then became centered around sex, since this is what it takes to get ratings. Our society has become obsesssed with sex and celebrities.
When the final report came out on Monica Lewinsky and the cigar, how many people went online to read about it?
Sickening.
The media reflects society and this society is not very decent. I am not sure we ever were, but we used to hide it a lot better than we do today. In my opinion, government regulation is not the answer.
Heh. Government regulation is not the answer. I don't know where you were going with that. But yeah. Lets just realize that humans are just not decent animals. Then we can accept our fallacies and enjoy the true pleasures of life; like fucking, farting, spitting, laughing obnoxiously and dirty jokes. To me, like you said, is America. And I damn well love the freedom to support it. If you want decency, go to Japan. Being indecent will cause one to gut themselves. |
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« Reply #33 on: November 28, 2007, 05:20:56 PM » |
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Yes, we are animals. With instincts implanted in our DNA. But, we are supposed to be more civilized then before, but we are not. Decency is relative but at its base form it should involve fairness and mutual respect where respect is due. At the very least we should demonstrate common courtesy and humanity towards others, but I think that is changing for the worse, or perhaps we are just reverting. Perhaps like everything else in our World, its just cycling, like the climate. In America the President acts like a bully and, all of a sudden, being a bully has become almost an acceptable practice. Cops pull you over and act rude and domineering, have they just watched to many episodes of "cops", or is this a natural cycle of human temperament?
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« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2007, 05:26:06 PM » |
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There is a difference between "needs" and "wants" and when you begin to categorize thats when people pull out that "subjective" crap. You cannot prevent or stop the exploitation of consumers, laborers, whatever; and thats where Marx was wrong. Right?
Not when they rise up against the capitalistic oppressors. Want to end exploitation? Put resources into education. The communist manifesto -- the common sense of the Bolshevik revolution -- was a pamphlet to educate the proletariat to rise up and reclaim their dignity. Either way, education is the only way to end the shackles that Corporate America has on our liberty. Because as long as we don't acknowledge it we will continue to live the self-destructive lifestyle that they promote. Oh. It's not about the manifesto its about VALUE. The value the laborer brings, the value of money, and the value you believe to be getting from the product. It is not the capitalistic oppressors, it's the competition, the invisible hand that seems to smack the sense out of you when a awesome new super fantastic product is released. I do agree with your bit about education, it seems to work for the Nordic countries. There the corporations pool a small percentage of profits to reinvest in pure public goods like their schools to maintain human capital. However, I don't believe that it would work here, the way our economy seems to be comprised is that, it's all about services, high turnover, and cheap products; whereas the Nordic countries produce luxury goods. |
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« Reply #35 on: November 28, 2007, 06:44:39 PM » |
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Common courtesy is dying. As a form of decency, it is sad how courtesy has taken a back seat in our hurried lives.
I remember as a kid, we would be in line at the grocery store and a new register would open up. The majoirty of the time people behind us would let us go ahead of them at the new register, since we were ahead of them. Now, you see people almost get trampled as people fight to be first in line. I notice less courtesy on the raod driving as well. Less courtesy in restaurants, retail stores, etc.
We have become obsessed with time and schedules. Have to go here, do this, then pick up the kids, the dry cleaning, go the bank and then go home and cook dinner. It is a hectic world, most families have both parents working or the only parent works, thus making time the most valuable of all comodities. I guess common courtesy is a casualty of these hectic lifestyles.
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« Reply #36 on: November 29, 2007, 06:17:47 AM » |
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I haven't read most of the responses, but can somebody explain to me the "standards of decency"?
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« Reply #37 on: November 29, 2007, 06:20:13 AM » |
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Decency means the golden rule. Do unto others what you would have them do unto you.
That means, do not murder, torture, molest, or anything that you would not want done to you. And if you do want any of those done to you, then you need to ask for help.
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« Reply #38 on: November 29, 2007, 07:13:34 AM » |
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Decency means the golden rule. Do unto others what you would have them do unto you.
That means, do not murder, torture, molest, or anything that you would not want done to you. And if you do want any of those done to you, then you need to ask for help.
Yep. We have no respect for one another. I feel that it's just the way our culture is and a lot of what the western civilizations are centered on is the individual instead of the community. Everyone walks around with their elitist attitudes like their shit don't stink; but seriously people need a lesson in humility. As for the murder bit, did you hear about Manhunt2 for the Nintendo Wii, and how as your playing the game you semi-imtate the murders. THAT'S INSANE! Then again should we censor video games? |
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« Reply #39 on: November 29, 2007, 07:17:08 AM » |
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Decency means the golden rule. Do unto others what you would have them do unto you.
That means, do not murder, torture, molest, or anything that you would not want done to you. And if you do want any of those done to you, then you need to ask for help.
On that definition, I don't think we were any indecent than we were before. In fact, we probably are much better off than we are today. The only reason we find these things more apparent today is that they are better measured and tracked. I think that taking your agressions about your life is much better being taken out on a video game rather than actually going through with it. Because back in the day, there was no golden years. Life sucked. Today is the best it has ever gotten and will only see it get better. Do not let the extraneous circumstances let us down, man kind has come a long way, including America. |
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« Reply #40 on: November 29, 2007, 08:12:59 AM » |
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This may sound absurd, but legalize concealed carry nation wide and you wont believe how courteous people on the street will become.
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« Reply #41 on: November 29, 2007, 08:24:46 AM » |
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This may sound absurd, but legalize concealed carry nation wide and you wont believe how courteous people on the street will become.
Didn't they say that a kind society is an armed one....or something like that? |
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« Reply #42 on: November 30, 2007, 10:00:35 AM » |
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Didn't they say that a kind society is an armed one....or something like that? An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. Robert A. Heinlein |
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