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« on: November 27, 2007, 10:50:25 AM » |
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Yet, qnother utterly crazy episode of "Mohamad (PBUH) the constantly insulted prophet (Boo-Hoo-hoo)" serie. Western teachers and other volunteering workers should be very courageous to go help these poeple despite the persecution by and the hypocrisy of the islamist authorities. KHARTOUM () - A 7-year-old Sudanese student on Tuesday defended the British teacher accused of insulting Islam saying he had chosen to call a teddy bear Mohammad because it was his own name. Gillian Gibbons, a 54-year-old teacher at the Unity High School in Khartoum, was arrested on Sunday after complaints from parents that she had insulted Islam's Prophet by allowing the bear to be named Mohammad. She is facing a third night in jail without being formally charged.
"The teacher asked me what I wanted to call the teddy," the boy said shyly, his voice barely rising above a whisper. "I said Mohammad. I named it after my name," he added.
Sitting in his garden wearing shorts, his family, who did not want their full names used, urged him to describe what had happened.
He said he was not thinking of Islam's Prophet when asked to suggest a name, adding most of the class agreed with his choice.
In a writing exercise students were asked to keep a diary of what they did with the teddy bear. "Some people took the teddy home and took it places with them ... like the swimming pool," the child said.
Mohammad said Gibbons was "very nice" and he would be upset if she never came back to teach. He added Gibbons had not discussed religion nor did she mention the Prophet.
"We studied maths and English and spelling," he said, rubbing his mop of short, curly hair.
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Justice Minister Mohamed Ali al-Mardi told Reuters formal charges would be leveled once investigations had been completed.
"(The charges) are under the Sudanese penal code ... insulting religion and provoking the feelings of Muslims," he said.
"These are preliminary -- after investigation the final charges will be ascertained," he added.
If charged and convicted of insulting Islam, Gibbons could be sentenced to 40 lashes, six months in prison or a fine, lawyers said.
Teaching colleagues and officials from the British embassy brought food for Gibbons but were not allowed to visit her.
Mohammad's family said they got most of their information from the papers after the school was closed early on Monday.
"I'm annoyed ... that this has escalated in this way," his mother said. "If it happened as Mohammad said there is no problem here - it was not intended."
His uncle said little Mohammad was a good Muslim and was already praying five times a day. "We want to also hear her side of the story," he added.
Unity director Robert Boulos had said the school would be closed until January because he was afraid of reprisals in mainly Muslim Khartoum.
In 2005 a Sudanese paper was closed for three months and its editor arrested for reprinting articles questioning the roots of the Prophet Mohammad, a move which prompted angry protests.
Al-Wifaq editor Mohamed Taha was later abducted from his home by armed men and beheaded link
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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2007, 11:51:06 AM » |
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I saw that, and couldn't summon the energy to post it. Plus it's Africa, not ME, but I get the point. I think they have their undies on too tight.
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Who will watch the watchers?Now that it is over, what are we going to talk about?
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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2007, 01:05:41 PM » |
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I saw this on another forum. It's ridiculous.
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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2007, 09:48:12 PM » |
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See the new news? She is getting no lashes, 15 days in prison, and she will be deported. http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1875642007
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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2007, 06:12:13 AM » |
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The bloodthirsty, perpetually-offended Islamic overlords only put this middle-aged woman in an African prison for 15 days, after she allowed the African children that she came to teach, name a teddybear Mohammed?
And we breathe a sigh of relief?
I feel so worldly...
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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2007, 09:13:17 AM » |
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The bloodthirsty, perpetually-offended Islamic overlords only put this middle-aged woman in an African prison for 15 days, after she allowed the African children that she came to teach, name a teddybear Mohammed?
And we breathe a sigh of relief?
I feel so worldly...
Indeed, it's not the severity of the sentence these barbarian idiots imposed on her - it's the principle. A lot of people (elsewhere) seem to be saying "it's unfortunate but she should have shown more cultural sensetivity." I say screw that. Their culture is wrong. Islam is an intellectual black hole dragging a large portion of the world's population back towards the dark ages. She shouldn't have to respect it.
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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2007, 09:14:53 AM » |
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The Teddy Bear Moses will strike forth! 
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« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2007, 09:44:15 AM » |
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The bloodthirsty, perpetually-offended Islamic overlords only put this middle-aged woman in an African prison for 15 days, after she allowed the African children that she came to teach, name a teddybear Mohammed?
And we breathe a sigh of relief?
I feel so worldly...
Indeed, it's not the severity of the sentence these barbarian idiots imposed on her - it's the principle. A lot of people (elsewhere) seem to be saying "it's unfortunate but she should have shown more cultural sensetivity." I say screw that. Their culture is wrong. Islam is an intellectual black hole dragging a large portion of the world's population back towards the dark ages. She shouldn't have to respect it. The British government is livid and is pursuing this vigorously. The Sudanese ambassador has been called in to speak with David Milliband, the Foreign Minister, twice already today and this is unprecedented. The ruling is already under appeal.
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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2007, 12:12:14 PM » |
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it's getting ever more difficult to wash off the Muslim majority from such idiocies, and sustain the "peaceful religion highjacked by extremeists" thesis. At the same time, it is not a difference between Islam and other religions that is striking us, but the difference between religious and secular societies. Whenever faith is given free reign, it gets ugly. Remember the recent episode with the Hindu fanatics demanding jail for that actress because she was kissed by Richard Gere.
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« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2007, 12:21:05 PM » |
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it's getting ever more difficult to wash off the Muslim majority from such idiocies, and sustain the "peaceful religion highjacked by extremeists" thesis.
That thesis is nonsense. It's more like "hateful violent religion occasionally adhered to by sane people". No that's not fair actually. All the Muslims I know are quite nice and normal. The problem is when the whole country is run according to the rules of the religion.
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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2007, 12:23:36 PM » |
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The bloodthirsty, perpetually-offended Islamic overlords only put this middle-aged woman in an African prison for 15 days, after she allowed the African children that she came to teach, name a teddybear Mohammed?
And we breathe a sigh of relief?
I feel so worldly...
Indeed, it's not the severity of the sentence these barbarian idiots imposed on her - it's the principle. A lot of people (elsewhere) seem to be saying "it's unfortunate but she should have shown more cultural sensetivity." I say screw that. Their culture is wrong. Islam is an intellectual black hole dragging a large portion of the world's population back towards the dark ages. She shouldn't have to respect it. I wouldn't go as far as to say their culture is wrong. Let people believe what they want. But getting upset over something as trivial as this is ludacris. My issue with the people of this faith is that they are hypocrites. They would have no issues dealing out punches on Jesus. But if you do anything against the all great Mohammad, you'd better watch out!
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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2007, 01:38:11 PM » |
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I wouldn't go as far as to say their culture is wrong. Let people believe what they want. But getting upset over something as trivial as this is ludacris.
My issue with the people of this faith is that they are hypocrites. They would have no issues dealing out punches on Jesus. But if you do anything against the all great Mohammad, you'd better watch out! They have no sense of humour at all about that. And as you say, we are infidels to be attacked if we refuse to convert to Islam. But we are unreasonable. There is footage here of thousands of Muslims protesting outside the Sudanese palace, demanding the execution of the teacher and the downfall of their own government for capitulating to British pressure not to lash the woman.
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« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2007, 01:49:41 PM » |
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I wouldn't go as far as to say their culture is wrong. Let people believe what they want.
So they should be allowed to believe that it's OK to imprison a teacher for naming a teddy bear Muhammed? They should be allowed to believe that it's OK the give a rape victim 200 lashes, to murder homosexuals, unbelievers and apostates? And we can't even say that culture is wrong?
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« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2007, 07:13:28 PM » |
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I wouldn't go as far as to say their culture is wrong. Let people believe what they want.
So they should be allowed to believe that it's OK to imprison a teacher for naming a teddy bear Muhammed? They should be allowed to believe that it's OK the give a rape victim 200 lashes, to murder homosexuals, unbelievers and apostates? And we can't even say that culture is wrong? The moderates of the religion don't support such a thing. Again, I try not to condemn the beliefs themselves. Of course, if the belief leads to an outrageous action, you can start pounding them.
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« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2007, 01:40:33 PM » |
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I wouldn't go as far as to say their culture is wrong. Let people believe what they want.
So they should be allowed to believe that it's OK to imprison a teacher for naming a teddy bear Muhammed? They should be allowed to believe that it's OK the give a rape victim 200 lashes, to murder homosexuals, unbelievers and apostates? And we can't even say that culture is wrong? The moderates of the religion don't support such a thing. The moderates are the one's who don't do everything their religion commands them to. Again, I try not to condemn the beliefs themselves. Of course, if the belief leads to an outrageous action, you can start pounding them.
In this case the beliefs are to blame. We should condemn their beliefs.
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