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« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2007, 02:40:37 PM » |
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The teacher is home in any case and her son is very happy to have her back. She says she was treated well in prison and doesn't have anything bad to say about her experience in Sudan, which she said was wonderful up to that point.
I am very happy that the UK Government sent envoys to extricate her. It is wise to demonstrate that if a British citizen gets into difficulty abroad and is innocent, she can expect to be rescued.
That has always been the case. They are fortunate IMO that no harm befell her. It would not have been taken lightly.
They should not have groveled to the Sudanese like they did. They should have said "let her go or you won't get a penny more in aid." What evidence is there that they did grovel? Can't imagine it myself. The UK has a good knowledge of that region and good links. The envoys Baroness Warsi and Lord Ahmed are experienced with relevant background. It was skillfully done and with no lasting damage to either party as far as we know. IMO the best possible result. |
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« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2007, 02:44:29 PM » |
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The teacher is home in any case and her son is very happy to have her back. She says she was treated well in prison and doesn't have anything bad to say about her experience in Sudan, which she said was wonderful up to that point.
I am very happy that the UK Government sent envoys to extricate her. It is wise to demonstrate that if a British citizen gets into difficulty abroad and is innocent, she can expect to be rescued.
That has always been the case. They are fortunate IMO that no harm befell her. It would not have been taken lightly.
They should not have groveled to the Sudanese like they did. They should have said "let her go or you won't get a penny more in aid." What evidence is there that they did grovel? Can't imagine it myself. The UK has a good knowledge of that region and good links. The envoys Baroness Warsi and Lord Ahmed are experienced with relevant background. It was skillfully done and with no lasting damage to either party as far as we know. IMO the best possible result. Did you know that yesterday an all-party delegation from Britain flew to Sudan for a 5-day goodwill summit? You would think they would boycott on principle. |
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« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2007, 02:48:06 PM » |
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I can't stand when people assault another persons beliefs!
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« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2007, 02:52:04 PM » |
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I can't stand when people assault another persons beliefs!
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« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2007, 03:08:39 PM » |
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I can't stand when people assault another persons beliefs!
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« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2007, 03:11:41 PM » |
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I can't stand when people assault another persons beliefs!
Are you trying to mock me, or was that serious? Cause that's really all I'm trying to say here. Then don't assault my belief that it's OK to assault people's beliefs. No one is insulting your belief. Your ACTIONS are being attacked. My actions follow from my belief. You're attacking my beliefs. All beliefs are right. Therefore you're a racist. QED. |
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« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2007, 04:22:16 PM » |
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Finaly she has been released. ArticleBut the imams didn't lose an occasion to ridicule themselves and their religion.   |
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« Reply #37 on: December 04, 2007, 05:59:47 PM » |
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I can't stand when people assault another persons beliefs!
Are you trying to mock me, or was that serious? Cause that's really all I'm trying to say here. Then don't assault my belief that it's OK to assault people's beliefs. No one is insulting your belief. Your ACTIONS are being attacked. My actions follow from my belief. You're attacking my beliefs. All beliefs are right. Therefore you're a racist. QED. Doesn't matter. As I said a page or two ago. Believe what you wish. But if you have harmful beliefs and put them into practice, you will be called out. Again, you're wrong. No one touched your beliefs. But anyways, stop trying to be a baiter with your nonsense. |
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« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2007, 08:09:06 AM » |
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The teacher is home in any case and her son is very happy to have her back. She says she was treated well in prison and doesn't have anything bad to say about her experience in Sudan, which she said was wonderful up to that point.
I am very happy that the UK Government sent envoys to extricate her. It is wise to demonstrate that if a British citizen gets into difficulty abroad and is innocent, she can expect to be rescued.
That has always been the case. They are fortunate IMO that no harm befell her. It would not have been taken lightly.
They should not have groveled to the Sudanese like they did. They should have said "let her go or you won't get a penny more in aid." What evidence is there that they did grovel? Can't imagine it myself. The UK has a good knowledge of that region and good links. The envoys Baroness Warsi and Lord Ahmed are experienced with relevant background. It was skillfully done and with no lasting damage to either party as far as we know. IMO the best possible result. Did you know that yesterday an all-party delegation from Britain flew to Sudan for a 5-day goodwill summit? You would think they would boycott on principle. What purpose would that serve? Why would they boycott a country which has just shown goodwill by releasing a British citizen as a gesture of goodwill, in the face of possible opposition from within its own people and Islam as a whole? They are right to go IMO. The Sudan acted fairly after the initial problem was recognised. If they had lashed the teacher or held her there, then yes, a boycott would be reasonable. |
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« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2007, 11:08:38 AM » |
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Sudan is also acting prudentley in letting the scool remaind closed....in the hopes that it won't be torched and none of it's remaining staff murdered....because children named a teddy bear Muhammed.
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« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2007, 01:11:39 PM » |
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I can't stand when people assault another persons beliefs!
Are you trying to mock me, or was that serious? Cause that's really all I'm trying to say here. Then don't assault my belief that it's OK to assault people's beliefs. No one is insulting your belief. Your ACTIONS are being attacked. My actions follow from my belief. You're attacking my beliefs. All beliefs are right. Therefore you're a racist. QED. Doesn't matter. As I said a page or two ago. Believe what you wish. But if you have harmful beliefs and put them into practice, you will be called out. Again, you're wrong. No one touched your beliefs. But anyways, stop trying to be a baiter with your nonsense. I believe you did insult my beliefs, and you just assaulted that belief - you racist! Seriously though: "if you have harmful beliefs and put them into practice, you will be called out" is exactly my point. I guess that makes us both racists. |
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« Reply #41 on: December 05, 2007, 01:14:01 PM » |
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The teacher is home in any case and her son is very happy to have her back. She says she was treated well in prison and doesn't have anything bad to say about her experience in Sudan, which she said was wonderful up to that point.
I am very happy that the UK Government sent envoys to extricate her. It is wise to demonstrate that if a British citizen gets into difficulty abroad and is innocent, she can expect to be rescued.
That has always been the case. They are fortunate IMO that no harm befell her. It would not have been taken lightly.
They should not have groveled to the Sudanese like they did. They should have said "let her go or you won't get a penny more in aid." What evidence is there that they did grovel? Can't imagine it myself. The UK has a good knowledge of that region and good links. The envoys Baroness Warsi and Lord Ahmed are experienced with relevant background. It was skillfully done and with no lasting damage to either party as far as we know. IMO the best possible result. Did you know that yesterday an all-party delegation from Britain flew to Sudan for a 5-day goodwill summit? You would think they would boycott on principle. What purpose would that serve? Why would they boycott a country which has just shown goodwill by releasing a British citizen as a gesture of goodwill, in the face of possible opposition from within its own people and Islam as a whole? They are right to go IMO. The Sudan acted fairly after the initial problem was recognised. If they had lashed the teacher or held her there, then yes, a boycott would be reasonable. How many days was she in prison? 8 I think. For a crime that shouldn't have been a crime in the first place. Seriously, the idea that blasphemy should be a crime is enough to warrant a boycott in my eyes. |
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« Reply #42 on: December 05, 2007, 01:39:26 PM » |
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I can't stand when people assault another persons beliefs!
Are you trying to mock me, or was that serious? Cause that's really all I'm trying to say here. Then don't assault my belief that it's OK to assault people's beliefs. No one is insulting your belief. Your ACTIONS are being attacked. My actions follow from my belief. You're attacking my beliefs. All beliefs are right. Therefore you're a racist. QED. Doesn't matter. As I said a page or two ago. Believe what you wish. But if you have harmful beliefs and put them into practice, you will be called out. Again, you're wrong. No one touched your beliefs. But anyways, stop trying to be a baiter with your nonsense. I believe you did insult my beliefs, and you just assaulted that belief - you racist! Seriously though: "if you have harmful beliefs and put them into practice, you will be called out" is exactly my point. I guess that makes us both racists. Wow, are you really THAT thick? If you put those beliefs into practice, you will be called out. Why? Because your belief causes unjust harm to others. That's what happened in this situation. Lashing someone for naming a teddy bear? Ridiculous. You're free to believe whatever you want though. That's a right that every person in this world should infact have. |
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« Reply #43 on: December 05, 2007, 01:45:14 PM » |
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You're free to believe whatever you want though. That's a right that every person in this world should infact have.
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« Reply #44 on: December 06, 2007, 08:06:45 AM » |
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The teacher is home in any case and her son is very happy to have her back. She says she was treated well in prison and doesn't have anything bad to say about her experience in Sudan, which she said was wonderful up to that point.
I am very happy that the UK Government sent envoys to extricate her. It is wise to demonstrate that if a British citizen gets into difficulty abroad and is innocent, she can expect to be rescued.
That has always been the case. They are fortunate IMO that no harm befell her. It would not have been taken lightly.
They should not have groveled to the Sudanese like they did. They should have said "let her go or you won't get a penny more in aid." What evidence is there that they did grovel? Can't imagine it myself. The UK has a good knowledge of that region and good links. The envoys Baroness Warsi and Lord Ahmed are experienced with relevant background. It was skillfully done and with no lasting damage to either party as far as we know. IMO the best possible result. Did you know that yesterday an all-party delegation from Britain flew to Sudan for a 5-day goodwill summit? You would think they would boycott on principle. What purpose would that serve? Why would they boycott a country which has just shown goodwill by releasing a British citizen as a gesture of goodwill, in the face of possible opposition from within its own people and Islam as a whole? They are right to go IMO. The Sudan acted fairly after the initial problem was recognised. If they had lashed the teacher or held her there, then yes, a boycott would be reasonable. How many days was she in prison? 8 I think. For a crime that shouldn't have been a crime in the first place. Seriously, the idea that blasphemy should be a crime is enough to warrant a boycott in my eyes. You'd have to boycott Islam. It's not pragmatic and isn't currently policy. |
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