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Go see it! Christians want to boycott it just because it's anti-Catholic. I think we should encourage writers for young adults to present teenagers (not children BTW) with books that are challenging. Catholics want boycott of 'atheist' blockbuster What are these? By Tom Leonard in Washington Wednesday November 28 2007 Roman Catholic groups in North America are calling for a boycott of a new film adaptation of the first in Philip Pullman's fantasy trilogy, 'The Golden Compass', arguing that it is bait to ensnare children in his "atheist agenda''. Bill Donohoe, the president of the Catholic League in the United States, has said that the British author's His Dark Materials books are deeply anti-Christian and promote "atheism for kids''. He said he feared the film would prompt parents to buy the books, unaware that the third in the series, 'The Amber Spyglass', climaxes in an epic battle to "destroy God''. The conservative league's call for a boycott of 'The Golden Compass', starring Nicole Kidman and Daniel Craig and which had its premiere in London last night, has been taken up by a growing number of Catholic leaders. The Catholic school board in Ontario has ordered 'Northern Lights', the book on which the film is based, removed from library shelves. A spokesman for the board conceded that the book, which has been stocked in school libraries since it was published in 1995, had not generated any real controversy until the imminent release of the film, which opens in the US on December 7. Several other Canadian school boards are considering taking the same action, while in the US, the Philadelphia archdiocese has urged parents not to take their children to see the film. An archdiocese spokesman said the film had "anti-religious themes'' and that Pullman was an "avowed atheist and has said in interviews that his books are about killing God''. In much the same way that US Christian websites extolled the virtues of children seeing the film version of 'The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe', they are now buzzing with negative speculation about the message of 'The Golden Compass'. Pullman's supporters say his books are actually very theological and even Christian in that theology. At the weekend, Craig and the film's director, Chris Weitz, came to Pullman's defence, claiming that the books were not anti-religious or anti-Catholic and were against the abuse of religion. http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/film-cinema/catholics-want-boycott-of-atheist-blockbuster-1231912.html |
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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2007, 05:55:05 PM » |
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I will never understand why the religious wing can't use these books as teaching opportunities rather than fuel for their roaring bonfire - I suppose they need something on which to throw the witches and heretics!  |
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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2007, 12:51:22 PM » |
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I will never understand why the religious wing can't use these books as teaching opportunities rather than fuel for their roaring bonfire - I suppose they need something on which to throw the witches and heretics! Also, do they really have so little confidence in their children's faith that they think they will be converted to atheism by a film starring Nicole Kidman? |
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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2007, 02:30:18 PM » |
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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2007, 06:15:15 AM » |
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I have read the book (His dark Materials) and thought they were good, until the last book. I wasn't going to go see the Golden Compass, because I was disappointed with how thrown together the last book was, but the more I see the ads and remember the first 2 books (and see how worked up people are getting over it) I may end up watching it.
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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2007, 06:38:35 AM » |
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I will never understand why the religious wing can't use these books as teaching opportunities rather than fuel for their roaring bonfire - I suppose they need something on which to throw the witches and heretics! I'm curious what lessons a Christian can take from such books? I will presume from your comments that you would also be supportive of the opportunity for teaching institutions to make use of "Of Panda's and People" to instruct young minds on scientific premises. If not, then perhaps you should reflect on your special pleading that different worldviews are fair game but alternate scientific premises are not. |
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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2007, 08:31:57 AM » |
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I will never understand why the religious wing can't use these books as teaching opportunities rather than fuel for their roaring bonfire - I suppose they need something on which to throw the witches and heretics! I'm curious what lessons a Christian can take from such books? I will presume from your comments that you would also be supportive of the opportunity for teaching institutions to make use of "Of Panda's and People" to instruct young minds on scientific premises. If not, then perhaps you should reflect on your special pleading that different worldviews are fair game but alternate scientific premises are not. Do you understand the distinction between books that are meant to be factual and those that are fictional? Or are you admitting that "Of Panda's and People" is a work of fiction? |
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« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2007, 08:34:40 AM » |
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I have read the book (His dark Materials) and thought they were good, until the last book. I wasn't going to go see the Golden Compass, because I was disappointed with how thrown together the last book was, but the more I see the ads and remember the first 2 books (and see how worked up people are getting over it) I may end up watching it.
It's quite a while since I read them. I'm going to read them again before I go see the movie. |
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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2007, 04:13:52 PM » |
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I will never understand why the religious wing can't use these books as teaching opportunities rather than fuel for their roaring bonfire - I suppose they need something on which to throw the witches and heretics! I'm curious what lessons a Christian can take from such books? I will presume from your comments that you would also be supportive of the opportunity for teaching institutions to make use of "Of Panda's and People" to instruct young minds on scientific premises. If not, then perhaps you should reflect on your special pleading that different worldviews are fair game but alternate scientific premises are not. Do you understand the distinction between books that are meant to be factual and those that are fictional? Or are you admitting that "Of Panda's and People" is a work of fiction? I certainly do understand the difference and that is why I am so curious why barney feels there are important lessons to be taken from a work of fiction, but does not grant the same of reference books that contradict is prejudices. |
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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2007, 08:35:51 AM » |
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I will never understand why the religious wing can't use these books as teaching opportunities rather than fuel for their roaring bonfire - I suppose they need something on which to throw the witches and heretics! I'm curious what lessons a Christian can take from such books? I will presume from your comments that you would also be supportive of the opportunity for teaching institutions to make use of "Of Panda's and People" to instruct young minds on scientific premises. If not, then perhaps you should reflect on your special pleading that different worldviews are fair game but alternate scientific premises are not. Do you understand the distinction between books that are meant to be factual and those that are fictional? Or are you admitting that "Of Panda's and People" is a work of fiction? I certainly do understand the difference and that is why I am so curious why barney feels there are important lessons to be taken from a work of fiction, but does not grant the same of reference books that contradict is prejudices. Actually, Barnes was saying it was a teaching opportunity. The "lesson" would be more along the realm of a discussion about the book. If you really feel that your faith or the faith of your child is really going to be swayed by this book then you don't have much faith to begin with. It might give the kid a chance to ask some tough questions about his faith, which is where the lesson would come from. Then again, they could treat it the same way they treated Harry Potter, as a group of books that are fun to read for entertainment purposes only. |
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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2007, 09:39:32 PM » |
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I will never understand why the religious wing can't use these books as teaching opportunities rather than fuel for their roaring bonfire - I suppose they need something on which to throw the witches and heretics! I'm curious what lessons a Christian can take from such books? I will presume from your comments that you would also be supportive of the opportunity for teaching institutions to make use of "Of Panda's and People" to instruct young minds on scientific premises. If not, then perhaps you should reflect on your special pleading that different worldviews are fair game but alternate scientific premises are not. Do you understand the distinction between books that are meant to be factual and those that are fictional? Or are you admitting that "Of Panda's and People" is a work of fiction? I certainly do understand the difference and that is why I am so curious why barney feels there are important lessons to be taken from a work of fiction, but does not grant the same of reference books that contradict is prejudices. Actually, Barnes was saying it was a teaching opportunity. The "lesson" would be more along the realm of a discussion about the book. If you really feel that your faith or the faith of your child is really going to be swayed by this book then you don't have much faith to begin with. It might give the kid a chance to ask some tough questions about his faith, which is where the lesson would come from. Then again, they could treat it the same way they treated Harry Potter, as a group of books that are fun to read for entertainment purposes only. Yes, thank you, Per. And, bad on ya, RF. Instead of reactionary Intellectual Terrorism on behalf of the religious, perhaps they could use the stories as teaching lessons. After all, if they believe god is on their side, what do they have to fear? |
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« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2007, 02:55:17 PM » |
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I can't POSSIBLY understand why it's bad to "indoctrinate" (if the movie actually does that... I haven't read the books) children as atheists, despite the CLEAR intentions of "Narnia" to indoctrinate them as Christians.
I just don't.
Can someone tell me why that ISN'T hypocritical?
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« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2007, 02:58:27 PM » |
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I can't POSSIBLY understand why it's bad to "indoctrinate" (if the movie actually does that... I haven't read the books) children as atheists, despite the CLEAR intentions of "Narnia" to indoctrinate them as Christians.
I just don't.
Can someone tell me why that ISN'T hypocritical?
It's not about indoctrinating anyone into anything. It's a work of fiction in which a fictional character is killed. |
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« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2007, 03:53:55 PM » |
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I'm just repeating what FOXnews tells me...
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« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2007, 04:34:26 PM » |
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I certainly do understand the difference and that is why I am so curious why barney feels there are important lessons to be taken from a work of fiction, but does not grant the same of reference books that contradict is prejudices.
Actually, Barnes was saying it was a teaching opportunity. The "lesson" would be more along the realm of a discussion about the book. If you really feel that your faith or the faith of your child is really going to be swayed by this book then you don't have much faith to begin with. I don't feel a work of fiction is going to sway ones faith. I question the value of this particular discussion in the context of the other more valuable discussion that could occur over other material. It might give the kid a chance to ask some tough questions about his faith, which is where the lesson would come from. If tough questions about faith are a good lesson for school children then some tough questions over the atheistic/materialistic viewpoints emanating from the soft sciences should be fair game in school too. Interestingly barney objects. |
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