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« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2007, 06:59:25 AM » |
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Chavez should use the money from oil to offer the venezuelan people a national health care service and not only that, he should also use the money to adopt social measures in order to improve the lot of the poor but what's he doing with their oil which means the most important income of the country? He is using it for HIS crazy political dreams, because, what do you think he is meaning when he is proposing socialisms? What do you think he means? Is his grand socialist ideal not to spend on services that would improve the welfare of his people? And if this is his intention, is he failing to do this? |
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« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2007, 02:51:35 PM » |
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Chavez should use the money from oil to offer the venezuelan people a national health care service and not only that, he should also use the money to adopt social measures in order to improve the lot of the poor but what's he doing with their oil which means the most important income of the country? He is using it for HIS crazy political dreams, because, what do you think he is meaning when he is proposing socialisms? What do you think he means? Is his grand socialist ideal not to spend on services that would improve the welfare of his people? And if this is his intention, is he failing to do this? Exactly what I was going to ask. Nationalizing health care and dental care is going to help his people...that is what he should be doing, is it not? |
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« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2007, 03:19:26 PM » |
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Chavez should use the money from oil to offer the venezuelan people a national health care service and not only that, he should also use the money to adopt social measures in order to improve the lot of the poor but what's he doing with their oil which means the most important income of the country? He is using it for HIS crazy political dreams, because, what do you think he is meaning when he is proposing socialisms? What do you think he means? Is his grand socialist ideal not to spend on services that would improve the welfare of his people? And if this is his intention, is he failing to do this? Exactly what I was going to ask. Nationalizing health care and dental care is going to help his people...that is what he should be doing, is it not? He should do what you say in re health care and dental care. He swhould also keep his megalomania in check. OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2007, 09:11:56 PM » |
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He swhould also keep his megalomania in check. Agreed. |
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« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2007, 06:56:53 AM » |
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What do you think he means? Is his grand socialist ideal not to spend on services that would improve the welfare of his people? And if this is his intention, is he failing to do this?
I apologize Gommi, but I don't get very well the meaning of your words.
I don't understand how he is talking about socialisms when if you have a look at those socialists countries, I mean true examples of socialisms empirically proven, all of them are not in very good conditions, economically and politically talking, so IMO his dream is heading the disaster, the same disaster faced by the USSR or Hungary or Poland or Chechenia, countries that know for sure the "benefits" of the socialism.
I'm still wondering what is the purpose behind the buying of thousands of AK-47
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Off topic: this morning I was having a cup of coffee in a cafeteria next to my job at 8.00 a.m. Next to me in the bar there were 3 Brits.......................drinking beer!!! What you call a pint over there is called here "una jarra" which from what I remember is a bit more than a pint. They were having the second one!!!!
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« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2007, 08:09:56 AM » |
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He swhould also keep his megalomania in check. Agreed. It does more harm than good for his needed social programs. OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2007, 06:54:56 PM » |
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I don't understand how he is talking about socialisms when if you have a look at those socialists countries, I mean true examples of socialisms empirically proven, all of them are not in very good conditions, economically and politically talking, so IMO his dream is heading the disaster, the same disaster faced by the USSR or Hungary or Poland or Chechenia, countries that know for sure the "benefits" of the socialism. The poor nations you refer to as "socialist" were all Communist. They had bad economic conditions because they had no private sector and no market economy. Hopefully Chavez is intelligent enough not to nationalize heavy industries. |
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« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2007, 07:29:03 PM » |
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I don't understand how he is talking about socialisms when if you have a look at those socialists countries, I mean true examples of socialisms empirically proven, all of them are not in very good conditions, economically and politically talking, so IMO his dream is heading the disaster, the same disaster faced by the USSR or Hungary or Poland or Chechenia, countries that know for sure the "benefits" of the socialism. The poor nations you refer to as "socialist" were all Communist. They had bad economic conditions because they had no private sector and no market economy. Hopefully Chavez is intelligent enough not to nationalize heavy industries. If he does not nationalize heavy industry, will they not be his most dangerous enemies? OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2007, 08:21:44 PM » |
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If he does not nationalize heavy industry, will they not be his most dangerous enemies? Not at all. It will also generate great amounts of tax revenue for him. |
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« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2007, 09:33:15 PM » |
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If he does not nationalize heavy industry, will they not be his most dangerous enemies? Not at all. It will also generate great amounts of tax revenue for him. Perhaps. My own view of heavy industry is not so benign. OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #40 on: December 14, 2007, 12:24:20 AM » |
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Gommi wrote:
The poor nations you refer to as "socialist" were all Communist. They had bad economic conditions because they had no private sector and no market economy. Hopefully Chavez is intelligent enough not to nationalize heavy industries.
But what is comunism? IMO just one step foward socialisms. They share the same ideology. I'm not so confidence regarding Chávez intelligence, because he is attacking the private sector rightnow. Did you hear what he said about Spain? "If the spanish right wing party win the next March 2008 elections in Spain, spanish business and enterprises in Venezuela are gonna face problems".
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« Reply #41 on: December 20, 2007, 12:00:58 PM » |
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I'm glad, he was a few peices of paper away from instilling an autocracy. |
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« Reply #42 on: January 08, 2008, 03:34:57 PM » |
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If he does not nationalize heavy industry, will they not be his most dangerous enemies? Not at all. It will also generate great amounts of tax revenue for him. Laughable. Venezuela is much more corrupt than Mexico. Pemex revenues continue to drop precipitiously as money if funneled from reinvestment for purposes of efficiency to cover an overreaching national government which uses the excess cash to patchwork bad policies (not change them). Venezuela will do much worse and already has. Consider this: As the human rights group Provea reports, the social programs, the missions for community health care, literacy training, high school completion, public housing, subsidized food, land reform, and employment through the creation of cooperatives, have all been deteriorating in the past year. Provea reportNow that is with the massive increase in oil prices and revenue. So we see Chavez with more money than he can possibly spend, still failing in his "Bolivarian solution". Its a joke really. Some of you leftists should be ashamed of yourself for supporting him, as if you didn't know it would be a power grab. |
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« Reply #43 on: January 08, 2008, 05:00:39 PM » |
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Now that is with the massive increase in oil prices and revenue. So we see Chavez with more money than he can possibly spend, still failing in his "Bolivarian solution". Its a joke really. Some of you leftists should be ashamed of yourself for supporting him, as if you didn't know it would be a power grab. Do you attribute these failures to corruption or mere bureaucratic incompetency? As I mentioned, Chavez is making severe errors in policy, such as his nationalization of industries, which is certainly denying the government potential revenues. |
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« Reply #44 on: January 08, 2008, 07:31:23 PM » |
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It is Chavez's personal dishonesty and desire to set himself up as a dictator that is reflected in how he ignores his own country's problems. He feels he doesn't really have to respond beyond an odd speech, just like Castro. I believe he forgot that Castro did away with free elections, whereas Chavez only controls almost all the media prior to elections (there is a difference, though it isn't much). Look to Chavez to decare a national emergency in the near future and take upon himself the powers denied to him by the election.
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