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Author Topic: Hiking Mt. Rainier  (Read 1629 times)
jpn of Seattle
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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2007, 06:09:07 PM »

Jim Whittacker, the first American to climb Everest, tells the clients he leads up Mt. Rainier that you may love the mountain, but the mountain doesn't love you.

He says that to remind his clients to be careful, but it also speaks to the utterly oblivous nature of nature.
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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2007, 07:15:11 PM »

He has a good quote. It's something like: "You never conquer a mountain. Mountains can't be conquered; you conquer yourself."
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« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2007, 10:55:56 AM »

I enjoy reading books about climbing.  The last one I read was Ed Viestur's "No Short Cut to the Top" (I think JPN mentioned it in the book club thread).  The thing I found most impressive in Viestur's narative was his respect for the mountains.  The way he would turn around and head down within a couple hundred feet of the summit if he deemed it unsafe.  In the beginning of his book he mentions guiding on Rainier, and describes what happens to a guy that showed contempt for the mountain. 

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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2007, 12:35:36 AM »

I don't know how "cultural" this is, but I just got back from backpacking the eastern half of Mt. Rainier's Wonderland Trail. My buddy and I had done the western half 8 years ago and finally coordinated our schedules to do the other half.
We took 7 days, 6 nights. Hiked about 40 miles. I haven't totalled the elevation gains and losses but they were prodigeous--there is no such thing as flat on Mt. Rainier!
We saw some of the most awesome country imaginable. We were constantly amazed at how few people were out there taking advantage of this spectacular national park during the best hiking time of the year, when the bugs are almost non-existant.
Anyone have other great hikes or national parks they enjoy?

Alaska's nice.

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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2007, 04:36:06 PM »

I don't know how "cultural" this is, but I just got back from backpacking the eastern half of Mt. Rainier's Wonderland Trail. My buddy and I had done the western half 8 years ago and finally coordinated our schedules to do the other half.
We took 7 days, 6 nights. Hiked about 40 miles. I haven't totalled the elevation gains and losses but they were prodigeous--there is no such thing as flat on Mt. Rainier!
We saw some of the most awesome country imaginable. We were constantly amazed at how few people were out there taking advantage of this spectacular national park during the best hiking time of the year, when the bugs are almost non-existant.
Anyone have other great hikes or national parks they enjoy?

Alaska's nice.

 Grin
Where abouts did you go?

Has anyone been up to Denali?
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« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2007, 07:38:24 PM »

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...Teddy Roosevelt was a committed conservationist long before he met John Muir, but after the Yosemite trip he marshaled his exuberance with new urgency. When TR assumed office in 1901, half of the nation’s timberlands had been cut down, the buffalo and other species faced extinction, and special interests were teaming up to lay waste to huge tracts of pristine wilderness. Thanks to TR, five national parks were created, along with 150 national forests, 51 bird refuges, four national game preserves, 18 national monuments (including the Grand Canyon which later became a national park), 24 reclamation projects, and the National Forest Service. Significantly, TR extended the concept of democracy to include future citizens, arguing that it was undemocratic to exploit the nation’s resources for present profit. "The greatest good for the greatest number," he wrote, "applies to the number within the womb of time."







Alaska is my home, Totino.  Grin

Denali is the most heavily used National Park in Alaska. If you plan to visit, get as much info as you can beforehand. 99% of the park is regulated backcountry, and you need a permit for whatever unit you plan to use. It's best to come up with 2 or 3 different plans in case you can't get your first choice of backcountry units.
You may also be surprised that you can't actually see Denali or Foraker from the park visitor's center. On a good day, you can see them from Anchorage or Fairbanks 200+ miles away, but a 3000' ridge hides them from the VC...
With the exception of Nanga Parbat in Kashmir, Denali is the tallest mountain in the world from it's base to it's summit, but you can't see the whole face of NP like you can see Denali, so Denali is the biggest mountain on earth to look at.

Kenai Fjords and Katmai are the parks I use the most. There are commercial fisheries on the Katmai Coast and KFNP has some great surf spots.
Some have called Lake Clark NP the most scenic spot in Alaska. Switzerland should have such Alps...
The scenery and opportunities in Wrangell-St Elias NP are as at least as intense as Denali, and it's about twice as big...
Gates Of The Arctic NP is something special as well.


To Alaskans, the NPs are not necessarily the choicest places to go. Our two National Forests, the Chugach and the Tongass are so big and wild that it would take years to even see all of either. Managed by NFS
Then there's the National Wildlife Refuges like Kodiak NWR, ANWR, Izembek, Becharof, Alaska Maritime NWR - all American Edens in their own rite. USF&W managed.
Then there's lands and rivers managed by the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) - millions of acres spread all through the Great Land.

America's Public Land is a vast National Treasure. Alaska is it's Crown Jewel.
 





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« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2007, 12:34:49 AM »

Wow, I didn't know you lived in Alaska. That's pretty sweet man.
My father was stationed up there while he was in the Army ages ago.

If I ever went to Denali it'd be done through a guided expedition. But I don't have anything near the knowledge/skill required for that. I'm an utter noobie lol.
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« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2007, 11:18:17 AM »

WTF?
No matter how many times I post, it disappears

Try it this way...


Wow, I didn't know you lived in Alaska. That's pretty sweet man.
My father was stationed up there while he was in the Army ages ago.

If I ever went to Denali it'd be done through a guided expedition. But I don't have anything near the knowledge/skill required for that. I'm an utter noobie lol.

There's a whole lot more to Denali National Park than climbing Denali!
That's for a very few with the skills, experience, and a very strong desire to bag it.
Although it's very wild backcountry, there's millions of acres of pristine wilderness there that do not require an ice axe and crampons to negotiate.
You can spend weeks in the backcountry seeing a lot more bears and wolves than people. You can stay in a luxurious historic lodge like Kantishna Roadhouse.
There's lot's of flightseeing from Talkeetna, Willow, Anc or Fbx.



There's also rafting on the Nenana and other rivers.

Denali is also kinda well known for wildlife photography too..


Interested in climbing stories? Here's an audio interview done with a friend of mine, Brian Okonek. You'll get to listen to a legendary Denali climbing guide and one of the pioneers of guiding in the Alaska Range talk about his career for the historical record. It's the kinda thing you don't get to hear everyday, and riveting stuff if you're into climbing...

http://uaf-db.uaf.edu/jukebox/DENALI/html/brok.htm


If you have a map or know the area, you can begin to understand his "gift" for understatement.

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« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2007, 09:03:26 PM »

Very cool. I'll have to look into the other places. And I'm listening to that interview now.

What do you do in Alaska, if you don't mind me asking?
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« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2007, 09:52:22 PM »

Whatever I want. Hehe... (Sorry..that's the standard Alaskan answer to that question...)

I split my time between commercial fishing and my surveying/mapping firm, so I'm outside a lot...  Grin


Rather than 'jack JPN's very coo thread, why don't I start one called "Alaska"?...

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« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2007, 10:17:00 PM »

my surveying/mapping firm

Imagine that, a fellow geographer.

I do surveying and mapping work for an engineering firm. I just started a few weeks ago, but I worked with air photos for most of last year. TBH, I'm excited as hell about the prospects of the field. So far doing alternating between CAD and surveying has been my dream job.

Great minds think alike.  Grin

I bet you've got one hell of a navigation setup on that boat too, as well as some fish-finding GIS tools and what-not?
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