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Author Topic: Collateralized Debt Obligations, or CDOs  (Read 255 times)
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« on: December 05, 2007, 08:30:03 PM »

Here's a great interactive graphic which finally explains what a CDO is in terms even I can understand:

http://www.portfolio.com/interactive-features/2007/12/cdo
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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2007, 11:27:31 AM »

good post....thx JPN
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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2007, 08:34:40 PM »

The interactive link above helped make the following column more understandable:

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The least sought-after tranches were those in the middle, the "mezzanine" tranches, which offered middling yields for supposedly moderate risks.

Stick with me now, because this is where it gets interesting. For it is at this point that the banks got the bright idea of buying up a bunch of mezzanine tranches from various pools. Then, using fancy computer models, they convinced themselves and the rating agencies that by repeating the same "tranching" process, they could use these mezzanine-rated assets to create a new set of securities — some of them junk, some mezzanine, but the bulk of them with the AAA ratings more investors desired.

It was a marvelous piece of financial alchemy, one that made Wall Street banks and the ratings agencies billions of dollars in fees....What we know now, of course, is that the investment banks and ratings agencies underestimated the risk that mortgage defaults would rise so dramatically that even AAA investments could lose their value.

One analysis, by Eidesis Capital, a fund specializing in CDOs, estimates that, of the CDOs issued during the peak years of 2006 and 2007, investors in all but the AAA tranches will lose all their money, and even those will suffer losses of 6 to 31 percent.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/04/AR2007120402186.html

To which Kevin Drum adds:

So if this is right, then the reason that even AAA tranches are in such trouble is basically twofold:

  • A lot of the AAA debt isn't really AAA. It's mezzanine debt that the rocket scientists and the rating agencies conned everyone into believing was AAA.
  • The mortgage meltdown is so widespread that even the legitimate AAA stuff is taking a beating.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/
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« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2007, 08:35:48 PM »

The article that I posted immediately above ends thusly:

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If all this sounds like a financial house of cards, that's because it is. And it is about to come crashing down, with serious consequences not only for banks and investors but for the economy as a whole.

That's not just my opinion. It's why banks are husbanding their cash and why the outstanding stock of bank loans and commercial paper is shrinking dramatically.

It is why Treasury officials are working overtime on schemes to stem the tide of mortgage foreclosures and provide a new vehicle to buy up CDO assets.

It's why state and federal budget officials are anticipating sharp decreases in tax revenue next year.

And it is why the Federal Reserve is now willing to toss aside concerns about inflation, the dollar and bailing out Wall Street, and move aggressively to cut interest rates and pump additional funds directly into the banking system.

This may not be 1929. But it's a good bet that it's way more serious than the junk bond crisis of 1987, the S&L crisis of 1990 or the bursting of the tech bubble in 2001.
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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2007, 05:51:44 AM »

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/04/AR2007120402186.html

To which Kevin Drum adds:

So if this is right, then the reason that even AAA tranches are in such trouble is basically twofold:

  • A lot of the AAA debt isn't really AAA. It's mezzanine debt that the rocket scientists and the rating agencies conned everyone into believing was AAA.
  • The mortgage meltdown is so widespread that even the legitimate AAA stuff is taking a beating.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/
Sounds like everything else I have been reading.  The debt was NOT AAA, but was re-packaged and 'cleaned up' so that plenty of people that invested in it don't even know they have subprime exposure.  And a lot of people will never know until the defaults start to hit them.  And not only is hittimg other markets, it is NOT strictly an American problem either. 
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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2007, 12:32:07 PM »

The psychological impact is strong because CDOs, MBAs and real estate where all three considered as very safe investments (by contrast with dotcom startups or russian stocks a few years ago which were always considered as risky, yet everybody bought them).
The financial world is shaken by that that the safest place for money where no more secure than banana funds.

But this is not the big cataclysm: Even if 20% of mortgages defaulted (which would be huge) it still will be 20% of mortgages, not of all the economy.
Analysts feared the snowball effect: That's not what we see.

What we see is that some of the most reputed institutions have made blunders like rookies and are going to lose money one quarter or two. (Some will still even post a profit).
That's the second psychological shock: who would think of Citigroup and Bear Sterns being risky stocks?
Citigroup has over one trillion in assets, yet their stock price was nearly halved.
So poeple gets out of stocks (again).

All this is not like 50 years of economic model was collapsing: The crisis involves those who made mortgages since 2005 and those who bought MBAs after that. That's relatively recent, it came quickely and will go away as quickely as it came.
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