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« on: December 08, 2007, 03:11:11 PM » |
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Does anyone think that the media in the US is objective, impartial or balanced?
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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2007, 03:12:43 PM » |
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This thread is prolly more appropriate in another forum and not the lobby...the lobby is kind of our non politics forum
moving to US forum
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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2007, 03:13:04 PM » |
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edit: nevamind.
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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2007, 03:16:40 PM » |
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my bad. forgot i was in lobby
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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2007, 03:17:38 PM » |
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Smited for ingnorance.
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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2007, 03:22:22 PM » |
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Alright... onto the media.
Yes, it's biased, but it really depends on who you're reading/watching. The New York Times is to the Left as FOXnews is to the Right. I read and watch both every day, so I see this shit daily. The thing you have to do is never look to media like an actual source of information. It's better to pretend it's like Wikipedia.
It's good as a "spring board", but in order to form an opinion, you have to look around a little.
That's all I can say.
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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2007, 03:28:35 PM » |
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I just use the media to figure out what's going on, then I do my own research to "really" find out what's going on, you know what I mean?
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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2007, 04:56:38 PM » |
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Well, corporate media is biased in the regards of serving their shareholder's interests; profits. Anyone who pays a price for the information they receive obviously have bias themselves towards the particular type of media they take a part in reading.
I read particular periodicals that share the same particular views and interests with mine: The New York Times, the Economist, BusinessWeek, and the Wall Street Journal. I believe all are honest publications and will not discern themselves from swaying too far from the actual truth.
I like Abraxas's view of taking a selection from each different particular view points to try and assess the current situation more clearly, however I feel that American Corporate media is biased all together. If one is to continue with such a method, I think it would be much more beneficial to dabble in some foreign media as well. Personally, I choose to watch BBC and Al Jazeera to get a different global viewpoint.
None of this can be matched by the hundreds of sites and blogs that offer their own spin on news that comes at the best price: for free.
But the most objective media are those not run by corporations but by public broadcasting and publication.
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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2007, 05:03:11 PM » |
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None of this can be matched by the hundreds of sites and blogs that offer their own spin on news that comes at the best price: for free. Actually, with that said, I forgot to mention my biggest source of news, IAP. I'm serious. I'm not sucking up (I mean c'mon... I'm already a mod  ) but people come here with so many different sources, some objectionable, some not. Plus, the debate here, as a whole, has changed my opinions on things on more than one occasion. Provided its healthy, mature and honest, some really great, infomrative discussions happen here. Just sayin'. |
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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2007, 05:04:26 PM » |
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None of this can be matched by the hundreds of sites and blogs that offer their own spin on news that comes at the best price: for free. Actually, with that said, I forgot to mention my biggest source of news, IAP. I'm serious. I'm not sucking up (I mean c'mon... I'm already a mod ) but people come here with so many different sources, some objectionable, some not. Plus, the debate here, as a whole, has changed my opinions on things on more than one occasion. Provided its healthy, mature and honest, some really great, infomrative discussions happen here. Just sayin'. I concur. |
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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2007, 09:18:20 PM » |
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I agree, the media is biased toward it's shareholders. They'll put on whatever they think will keep people glued to the tv. If I had to guess, the fact that there was a largely untapped market for a "conservative" (and I'm using the term loosely here) news station had much more to do with FOX's bias than Murdock's political opinions did.
Although, I would argue that information is not the product they are selling, but an input used to acquire the product they make so much money off of (the viewers and readers).
Print publications may be a little less like this, but I doubt that the money they charge for the mags even begins to stack up against what they make from advertising. Remember that pricing will set the demographic to a certain degree. Up the price, you may lose some readers, but that's not necessarily a bad thing if it tightens your demographic to a more affluent set of readers. Why would you want to advertise expensive goods and services to people who can only afford $2 for a magazine? Charge $6 and advertisers understand that your readers are more likely able to afford the stuff they're selling.
It's definitely a business, but us viewers and readers are the product, not the cheap plastic crap, junk food and hideous autos.
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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2007, 10:45:11 PM » |
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You all have pretty concurring views in which i also agree. One thing that bothers me though, is the fact that leading up to the invasion of Iraq, every one of the 175 newspapers that Murdoch owned at the time supported the invasion. How is that in any way objective, impartial or balanced. I agree that the New York Times is as liberal as you can get when it comes to mainstream media in this country. But they also cater to the interest groups and government by NOT reporting on some issues. For example: "That Hamas has called for a ten-year ceasefire is almost never reported. Even more important, that Hamas has undergone an historic ideological shift in the last few years, which amounts to a recognition of what it calls the reality of Israel, is virtually unknown; and that Israel is sworn to the destruction of Palestine is unspeakable." From a speech Journalist John Pilger gave at the 2007 Socialist Convention in Chicago. you can watch, listen or read the entire speech here http://www.democracynow.org/2007/8/7/freedom_next_time_filmmaker_journalist_john courtesy of democracynow.org. By the way, Democracy NOW! is true objective, impartial and balanced media. They are very critical of both sides which we ALL should be at this point in time. |
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