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I favor public education but I am hoping with the advent of Charter schools, public schools will clean up their act. It may take awhile and it may be painful but public education is horrible in some areas. I am impressed with Elementary schools for the most part they have really turned up pace since I was a kid. My daughter can read much better in second grade and I could in the 5th grade, But High School seems to be lacking. They don't seem to push the kids anymore(of course this is only referring to the schools I see). A real lack of any higher math beyond algebra, their US history is abysmal no western civ or eastern civ at all. And good lab science like Biology and Chemistry are the same things I did in middle school. English and Literature seem to be OK but seem to emphasize more contemporary writings and not so many of the classics. Lets not even get into electives like basic music theory and art(they should at least teach different kinds of art styles). If I was education king I would require the following: Maths: Algebra 1 & 2, Trig, Geometry, Trigonometry, Calculus History: US History. Western Civ, Eastern Civ Science:Biology, Chemistry, Physics(all lab sciences) Languages: 2 years of any 2 consecutive but must have at least 3 years of any. English/Literature: American lit, English lit, Foreign Lit(a collection of classical literature translated to english(i.e the great russian authors, maybe sections of the Koran,Epic of gilgamesh etc) feel free to add because I am always looking for some good reads. Health and Personal Finance-I can stress personal finance enough credit score mortgage type etc kids get screwed by not knowing this information and it takes them 10 years to get rid of negatives on their credit reports and we could have avoided this whole housing mess. Music/Art appreciation- At least a half a year of each detailing basic music theory and instrument types, As well as a look into some of the more famous composer and musicians past and present(Jazz, blues, Classical, Maybe even early rock), As well as the same format for art and artists. Computer Science(1 year)-I am almost hesitant to put this on here. But Kids need to learn that the internet wasn't created for myspace and get a basic grasp of the protocols and languages used that brought the internet together.
I realize that sounds like a tough schedule but the responsibility of our public schools should be to educate our children for anything they may encounter in life, I don't expect all kids to be scientist or mathematicians but they need exposer to all these things to be a well rounded adult. I would almost add in a politics and media class to look at varying views of the same issues and how information is presented to us from the media and maybe tack on a look at advertisement.
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« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2007, 01:23:27 PM » |
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A fine curriculum indeed. Quite rigorous but I am sure many prestigious private schools offer it.
Would physical education be included with health? Physical education is important and should be included.
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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2007, 01:28:52 PM » |
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A fine curriculum indeed. Quite rigorous but I am sure many prestigious private schools offer it.
Would physical education be included with health? Physical education is important and should be included.
Why is physical education important? Do kids really need to know how to play wiffle ball?
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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2007, 01:31:13 PM » |
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A fine curriculum indeed. Quite rigorous but I am sure many prestigious private schools offer it.
Would physical education be included with health? Physical education is important and should be included.
Why is physical education important? Do kids really need to know how to play wiffle ball? So we don't have obese scholars. Kids need to learn how to exercise their body, learn proper nutrition and general leisure activities that are healthy...like wiffleball. What do you got against The Whiff?
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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2007, 01:55:06 PM » |
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A fine curriculum indeed. Quite rigorous but I am sure many prestigious private schools offer it.
That's the problem every public school should offer it. Regarding PE I agree I would add PE to that list. There is so much junk science out there regarding diet and exercise a good exposure to a variety of sports. Especially cardio and weight training(bulk vs. strength vs. enduarance). I would even go so far as to make it 3 days a week.
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« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2007, 08:39:44 PM » |
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Thief, that seems to be quite a fine curriculum. To what extent are these being taught in average public schools?
In my opinion history, literature, the social sciences, and economics are very important.
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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2007, 06:52:52 AM » |
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1. The cirriculum as stated above is fine for someone headed to a collegiate environment but lets face it, not every child is headed to college and that is something that as a society we should reognize and try to chenge in our thought patterns. Just becuase someone did NOT go to college does not mean they are stupid or even garentee they will not make good money.
I know for a fact that there are manifacturing companies that are wanting for good manchinists here in the KC Metro area. Several of the companies that service my site have menitoned if I know anyone, send them thier way. The problem is that too many kids are getting pigeon wholed into the college mold and forced by thier parents to go someplace where they are set up for at best mediocrity and at worst. failure. Many times, once that child has experienced that failure it sets into thier outlook on life and sours them to trying.
While if at the saame time, we had reconigzed that this child has strong apptitude in "X" but lacks the mental discipline to be succeful in college they could have been steared towards something more suited to them and that would have benefited soiciety.
2. PE is fine as long as it is not forced and is not graded. I have heard of entirely too many kids screwed over by some vindictive, muscle brained PE teacher.
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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2007, 11:04:27 AM » |
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My one main gripe...we should have year round education except for farming communities.
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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2007, 11:12:44 AM » |
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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2007, 07:06:21 PM » |
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2. PE is fine as long as it is not forced and is not graded. I have heard of entirely too many kids screwed over by some vindictive, muscle brained PE teacher.
I agreed with you until this point. The kids who fail gym are the ones who: A) Skip Class B) Simply don't dress for gym I've been to numerous school districts, both private and public. As long as you dress for gym you'll pass. And I say PE should infact be required, but it should be a lot more intensive than what it is now.
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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2007, 07:10:04 PM » |
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2. PE is fine as long as it is not forced and is not graded. I have heard of entirely too many kids screwed over by some vindictive, muscle brained PE teacher.
I agreed with you until this point. The kids who fail gym are the ones who: A) Skip Class B) Simply don't dress for gym I've been to numerous school districts, both private and public. As long as you dress for gym you'll pass. And I say PE should infact be required, but it should be a lot more intensive than what it is now. And participate. As long as you are not graded for making layups. Although I don't know how anyone can't make a layup but low and behold I have been surprised. Some kids can't even hold a basketball.
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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2007, 07:12:01 PM » |
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2. PE is fine as long as it is not forced and is not graded. I have heard of entirely too many kids screwed over by some vindictive, muscle brained PE teacher.
I agreed with you until this point. The kids who fail gym are the ones who: A) Skip Class B) Simply don't dress for gym I've been to numerous school districts, both private and public. As long as you dress for gym you'll pass. And I say PE should infact be required, but it should be a lot more intensive than what it is now. And participate. As long as you are not graded for making layups. Although I don't know how anyone can't make a layup but low and behold I have been surprised. Some kids can't even hold a basketball. Right. I've never met a gym teacher that graded skill. They grade you on effort. I don't care how horrible you are at sports, everyone can atleast put forth some effort. And if kids actually try in somewhat of an intensive class, they will actually see big physical changes. I've seen it happen.
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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2007, 07:14:12 PM » |
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Most kids don't dress or don't try because they feel awkward and embarrassed that they suck. It's not like English, where you're either trying or being lazy.
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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2007, 07:21:50 PM » |
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If you suck at a certain sport, you play with the other kids who suck. That's what I did for basketball in the winter. But hey, when spring came and they did soccer, ultimate frisbee, etc I'd just go join the elite games. That's what you gotta do man. It doesn't take a braniac to figure that one out.
Play in the elite games if you're skilled. Play in the bad games if you're bad. Then it all works out.
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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2007, 07:25:52 PM » |
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If you suck at a certain sport, you play with the other kids who suck. That's what I did for basketball in the winter. But hey, when spring came and they did soccer, ultimate frisbee, etc I'd just go join the elite games. That's what you gotta do man. It doesn't take a braniac to figure that one out.
For a pimple-riddled kid who has no friends and can't play any sports, it doesn't resonate.
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