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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2007, 07:29:30 PM » |
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I'm sure they can excel at atleast one thing. One of my mates was horrible at all of the main sports. But when they pulled out the ping pong tables, he was #1 (and I hate to do the stereotype, but yes he was asian lol).
And even if you are utterly horrible, they grade on effort as I said. So skills don't really matter.
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« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2007, 07:31:57 PM » |
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If you suck at a certain sport, you play with the other kids who suck. That's what I did for basketball in the winter. But hey, when spring came and they did soccer, ultimate frisbee, etc I'd just go join the elite games. That's what you gotta do man. It doesn't take a braniac to figure that one out.
For a pimple-riddled kid who has no friends and can't play any sports, it doesn't resonate. I don't know what to say about this. Should we accommodate them and make life all fluffy so that their feelings are cared for or show it to them like it is...life is a bitch and then you die. And then they shoot up the school... Then again, didn't the boomer's go through the non-PC gym class, in which dodge ball was the game of social separation and identity? Last time I heard they didn't go shooting up schools.
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« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2007, 07:33:35 PM » |
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It's a shame they got rid of dodge ball after elementary school. Good times, good times.
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« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2007, 07:40:51 PM » |
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Dodge ball is necessary for finding ones own identity. No one learns from themselves more than having to face line drive balls coming at you from every angle. And then having the opportunity to return the favor. 
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« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2007, 08:01:07 PM » |
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I'm saying that PE is worthless. If you're just basing it on effort, and kids don't give effort because they feel uncomfortable, then a kid gets a bad grade for being socially awkward.
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« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2007, 08:04:02 PM » |
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Sorry, I don't find "uncomfortable" as an excuse for lack of effort.
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« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2007, 08:20:50 PM » |
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OK, then I'll draw it out for you.
A kid, with no friends, who feels awkward around others, shakes every day before 4th period because that's when gym class starts. Every time he tries to muster up the courage to actually play, he just ends up sitting still in the corner, not doing anything. Grades, come out, he has a D in gym, and his father tells him to get a better grade. All of this makes him feel even worse about himself, drawing him further away from ever participating, and making him even more of an outcast.
All so we can teach kids how to play ping-pong.
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« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2007, 09:15:27 PM » |
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1. The cirriculum as stated above is fine for someone headed to a collegiate environment but lets face it, not every child is headed to college and that is something that as a society we should reognize and try to chenge in our thought patterns. Just becuase someone did NOT go to college does not mean they are stupid or even garentee they will not make good money.
I disagree to an extent. Kids who think they may not be college bound in high school may change their mind later in life, and regardless if they go to college or not a well rounded high school education will help them in life even if it has no immediate or obvious benefits. On a more global note, I hate being know as a nation of idiots. That people of other countries call into question our IQ's and education, It wouldn't have happened 40 years ago, we have let ourselves go and we need as a nation to get back on track.
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« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2007, 05:11:57 AM » |
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2. PE is fine as long as it is not forced and is not graded. I have heard of entirely too many kids screwed over by some vindictive, muscle brained PE teacher.
I agreed with you until this point. The kids who fail gym are the ones who: A) Skip Class B) Simply don't dress for gym I've been to numerous school districts, both private and public. As long as you dress for gym you'll pass. And I say PE should infact be required, but it should be a lot more intensive than what it is now. And I disagree. I think PE should be an elective actually. HEALTH CLASS, now thats different. Teach basic or even advanced nutrition and such. Some kids are NEVER comfortable dressing out, infact some of the brightest minds of tomorrow fall into this bracket. Don't punish them because they ared not athletic.
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« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2007, 08:09:50 PM » |
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I think the secret is letting kids decide (say, as Juniors), what sort of curriculum they want. The biggest problem I remember in high school is that I didn't really have a desire to learn. Nothing really kept my interest, and I'm sure that hasn't changed for kids now. I have proposed that a "written-in-stone" curriculum is good for the first two years of high school, and then when students start their Junior years, they have a choice of what to "Specialize" in. It is almost like universities where you do general studies for the first two years and then major in something for your last two or three years. So, you could have the first two years doing general studies (two english, two math, two history, etc.) and then as a Junior, you choose a specialization in one of the following (for example): Science and Engineering Linguistics and Cultural Studies General Studies Obviously, depending on money, you could break this up further and do a better job of "specializing" in a particular area. So, for the Science and Engineering (S&E) student, you may get the following schedule: Junior 1) Computer programming 2) Calculus I 3) Chemistry 4) Discrete Mathmatics 5) Electronics 6) American History 7) Any Elective (music, art, PE, etc)  Any Elective (could be another technical course, or something else) Senior 1) Calculus-based physics 2) Calculus II 3) Statics and Dynamics (fundamental mechanical engineering) 4) Technical writing 5) Intro to Computer Science 6) European History 7) Technical Elective (could be something in biological sciences or another math course)  Any Non-technical elective (music, art, language, history, anything) Obviously, the linguistics and cultural studies kids would be heavy on the literature, history, and foriegn language. But it is important to note that they wont escape some math and science just as S&E kids won't escape some history and literature. It would be tough to pull off as you would need teachers that could actually teach those subjects. But if at Graduation these kids received diplomas and certificates in their "major" areas, I think that would get a lot more kids excited about learning. I know I would have been all about the science and engineering path, and would have had a much better start once I started college.
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« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2007, 08:15:13 PM » |
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Hate to burst anyones bubbles as I WISH these plans could be implemented.
But there is that rotten thing called NCLB...
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« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2007, 08:59:55 PM » |
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Switch around programming and comp sci......
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« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2007, 10:50:33 PM » |
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I think the secret is letting kids decide (say, as Juniors), what sort of curriculum they want. The biggest problem I remember in high school is that I didn't really have a desire to learn. Nothing really kept my interest, and I'm sure that hasn't changed for kids now. I have proposed that a "written-in-stone" curriculum is good for the first two years of high school, and then when students start their Junior years, they have a choice of what to "Specialize" in. It is almost like universities where you do general studies for the first two years and then major in something for your last two or three years. So, you could have the first two years doing general studies (two english, two math, two history, etc.) and then as a Junior, you choose a specialization in one of the following (for example): Science and Engineering Linguistics and Cultural Studies General Studies Obviously, depending on money, you could break this up further and do a better job of "specializing" in a particular area. So, for the Science and Engineering (S&E) student, you may get the following schedule: Junior 1) Computer programming 2) Calculus I 3) Chemistry 4) Discrete Mathmatics 5) Electronics 6) American History 7) Any Elective (music, art, PE, etc)  Any Elective (could be another technical course, or something else) Senior 1) Calculus-based physics 2) Calculus II 3) Statics and Dynamics (fundamental mechanical engineering) 4) Technical writing 5) Intro to Computer Science 6) European History 7) Technical Elective (could be something in biological sciences or another math course)  Any Non-technical elective (music, art, language, history, anything) Obviously, the linguistics and cultural studies kids would be heavy on the literature, history, and foriegn language. But it is important to note that they wont escape some math and science just as S&E kids won't escape some history and literature. It would be tough to pull off as you would need teachers that could actually teach those subjects. But if at Graduation these kids received diplomas and certificates in their "major" areas, I think that would get a lot more kids excited about learning. I know I would have been all about the science and engineering path, and would have had a much better start once I started college. Agreed fully.
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« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2007, 11:15:07 AM » |
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1. The cirriculum as stated above is fine for someone headed to a collegiate environment but lets face it, not every child is headed to college and that is something that as a society we should reognize and try to chenge in our thought patterns. Just becuase someone did NOT go to college does not mean they are stupid or even garentee they will not make good money.
I disagree to an extent. Kids who think they may not be college bound in high school may change their mind later in life, and regardless if they go to college or not a well rounded high school education will help them in life even if it has no immediate or obvious benefits. On a more global note, I hate being know as a nation of idiots. That people of other countries call into question our IQ's and education, It wouldn't have happened 40 years ago, we have let ourselves go and we need as a nation to get back on track. A well rounded education is fine and I agree with your statement. What I am refering to is the requirement for students to take Math and English every year in High school. Leading the students to take whats is esentially the SAME CLASS 3 or 4 years running. If they haven'g moved upto high end math by Sophmore year, they aren;t going to. That time would be better spent in something that will benefit the child more. Your reference to stupidity is actually about kids learning basic things. I have a friend who is a teacher who has students who graduate high school and don't know how to count out change. Tell time on a non-digital clock face. Balance a check book. You want to raise the acedemic excelence, I just want to see them come out of high skrewl (Ihate using a Rushism but it is SO appropriate) with the basic skills to survive.
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« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2007, 06:58:42 PM » |
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Puplic education can be challenging if your up for the task. Exp: heres my junoir schedule: Ap Bio Ap Us History Ap Lit. and Comp. Hon Calculus Gym Chorus career dev. Adv. health and wellness perspective senoir year: Ap Physics Ap Government Ap English Ap Calc. or stat Ap phychology International relations Chorus Gym (i already have 3 consecutive years of French (thank god im done with it  ))
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