Some great posts Free...

You have done an admirable job debating this issue. Especially while being outnumbered.

A lot of people just don't  get how the government works. We give them an inch and they take a mile.

Look at the income tax. At first the highest tax rate was 7%, most Americans paid nothing and only a small fraction even had to pay 1% Income tax. So what happened after that? Just 8 years later the top rate was 70% and much later the top rate became 90%.

We need to stay on our government all the time. We can't let up. If history has taught us anything it has taught us that it is government's nature to grow in power and we were warned about this by the founders.

No, I didn't.  I never said that.  I said,


I said it again:


I've made it abundantly clear that there is uncertainty, and that has been my position since the beginning.  There are no changing gears here.  I've said that IF the arrest was illegal, then someone will (or should) pay for that.  But you have assumed from the beginning that the police had NO reason whatsoever to make the arrest.  I don't know if that is true, but have said a half dozen times that it COULD be true.

We are arguing the same point, but you have assumed the police acted illegally where I have not assumed this.  Neither of us knows what the circumstances were during the arrest.  

I understand the slippery slope - it is obvious.  Nowhere did I state that the police should be able to arrest anyone because someone may have felt threatened by their remarks.  I didn't even agree that the comment was threatening.  What I did say is that there have been cases where real plots were mentioned on the Internet and were thwarted by police.  With that in mind, my original take on this was that the police acted prudently but I explicitly stated that I was aware of the uncertainty surrounding the arrest.  If there was wrong-doing, there are corrective measures in place so that this man will have justice.  Indeed, those measures exist in cases like these so that everyone is reminded that there are actions the police can take and actions police cannot take.  If unscrupulous behavior is uncovered, someone will be held accountable.

So I disagreed with the premise that the man was arrested for stating opinion and have been attempting to point out that this does not indicate a broken justice system in the US.  So far as I can tell, our liberties are not in jeopardy.

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Considering the long way we have come, I would think that our fore fathers would be proud.

Really? Hmmmm. What did the founding fatheres tell us was essential for protecting liberty?

Are you trying to insinuate that I am defending Clinton here? Read the avatar buddy.

The reality is if REAGAN did something back in the day, we wouldn't be having the issues we do now. He was the one handing out the amnesty in 86.

But anyways, of course they are both guilty. But hey, atleast I'll be voting for someone with the best stance on illegal immigration come the primaries.

I don't know but I have feeling you want to tell me anyway no matter what I say.

Nope, if you don't already know, then you obviously aren't interested, so I will not waste your time, or mine.