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Bloomberg columnist Albert R. Hunt is reporting on dissension in Senator Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign. Hunt, longtime former Washington Bureau chief of the The Wall Street Journal, is a moderately liberal Democrat but none the less one who calls them as he sees them. OswaldTheOsprey http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20670001&refer=&sid=anRcoLyfN0VM
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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2007, 08:35:55 PM » |
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Trouble in GiuliHuckRomneyLand! Poll Finds G.O.P. Field Isn’t Touching Voters
By ADAM NAGOURNEY and MEGAN THEE
Published: December 11, 2007
Three weeks before the Iowa caucuses, Republican voters across the country appear uninspired by their field of presidential candidates, with a vast majority saying they have not made a final decision about whom to support, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.
Not one of the Republican candidates is viewed favorably by even half the Republican electorate, the poll found. And in a sign of the fluidity of the race, former Gov. Mike Huckabee of Arkansas, who barely registered in early polls several months ago, is now locked in a tight contest nationally with Rudolph W. Giuliani and Mitt Romney.
By contrast, Democrats are happier with their field and more settled in their decisions. For all the problems Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton appears to be having holding off her rivals in Iowa and New Hampshire, she remains strong nationally, the poll found. Even after what her aides acknowledge have been two of the roughest months of her candidacy, she is viewed by Democrats as a far more electable presidential nominee than either Senator Barack Obama or John Edwards.
Not only do substantially more Democratic voters judge her to be ready for the presidency than believe Mr. Obama is prepared for the job, the poll found, but more Democrats also see Mrs. Clinton rather than Mr. Obama as someone who can unite the country. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/11/us/politics/11poll.html?ref=politicsDueling news sources... For the NYT we have: a nationwide telephone poll of 1,028 voters, taken from last Wednesday through Sunday. It has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points. For Albert R. Hunt we have: a focus group consisting of...11 people! Almost a dozen! I just report, you decide.  |
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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2007, 11:01:40 PM » |
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Trouble in GiuliHuckRomneyLand! Poll Finds G.O.P. Field Isn’t Touching Voters
By ADAM NAGOURNEY and MEGAN THEE
Published: December 11, 2007
Three weeks before the Iowa caucuses, Republican voters across the country appear uninspired by their field of presidential candidates, with a vast majority saying they have not made a final decision about whom to support, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.
Not one of the Republican candidates is viewed favorably by even half the Republican electorate, the poll found. And in a sign of the fluidity of the race, former Gov. Mike Huckabee of Arkansas, who barely registered in early polls several months ago, is now locked in a tight contest nationally with Rudolph W. Giuliani and Mitt Romney.
By contrast, Democrats are happier with their field and more settled in their decisions. For all the problems Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton appears to be having holding off her rivals in Iowa and New Hampshire, she remains strong nationally, the poll found. Even after what her aides acknowledge have been two of the roughest months of her candidacy, she is viewed by Democrats as a far more electable presidential nominee than either Senator Barack Obama or John Edwards.
Not only do substantially more Democratic voters judge her to be ready for the presidency than believe Mr. Obama is prepared for the job, the poll found, but more Democrats also see Mrs. Clinton rather than Mr. Obama as someone who can unite the country. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/11/us/politics/11poll.html?ref=politicsDueling news sources... For the NYT we have: a nationwide telephone poll of 1,028 voters, taken from last Wednesday through Sunday. It has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points. For Albert R. Hunt we have: a focus group consisting of...11 people! Almost a dozen! I just report, you decide. Good old jpn. Ever the faithful party hack!  OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2007, 08:55:28 PM » |
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If you have no response at all other than to call me names, then I clearly have won my point.
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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2007, 09:01:41 PM » |
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Once again, jpn cannot talk about the topic at hand because it's about a Democrat. So he runs a comical distraction to try to get the topic on Republicans instead.
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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2007, 09:04:07 PM » |
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If you have no response at all other than to call me names, then I clearly have won my point.
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If you have no response other than cheap theatrics, I clearly win the point. The article I posted dealt with internal problems in a particular candidacy and not in the confidence levels of either party. Apples and oranges. OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2007, 09:05:13 PM » |
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Once again, jpn cannot talk about the topic at hand because it's about a Democrat. So he runs a comical distraction to try to get the topic on Republicans instead.
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2007, 09:43:06 PM » |
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Curtain call!
Wave.
Cheers.
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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2007, 09:45:37 PM » |
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Once again, jpn cannot talk about the topic at hand because it's about a Democrat. So he runs a comical distraction to try to get the topic on Republicans instead.
Partisan hack O Contraire! My post directly contradicted Oswald's post. Clearly and directly. So much so that Oswald was reduced to feeble name-calling (like you. Just now. Or is that your new signature?) Which is why I'm still bowing. Waving. |
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2007, 10:07:57 PM » |
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jpn, I don't think you quite understand the difference between a poll and a focus group.
A poll expresses a national trend but is usually rather thin, lacking any real criticism. The questions are usually vague and are usually overly simplified, but require a complex answer, even though the only answers allowed are "yes", "no" and "I don't know". They are good at tracking national trends... but not great at detailed snap shots.
A focus group, on the other hand, gets "under the skin" and goes farther and longer than national poll can. It helps flesh out some people and it helps to better understand a person's motivation.
As I read the article by Oswald, I found myself nodding my head a lot, agreeing with what the members said about both Clinton and Obama (except for the whole "Clinton has more experience" stuff). Clinton is a woman who you either love or hate, much like her husband. I loved Bill (from what little I remember of his presidency) but I don't like Hillary. I find her shrill, angry and difficult to agree with. She's also seems like one of the LAST people to reach across the isle to come to a bi-partisan conclusion... and personally, I don't want such a (the article useda good word) divisive woman in office.
I personally find no reason to vote for her based on her level of charecter.
But it's her policy that I DEFFINATELY disagree with. Universal healthcare, baby bonds, abortion, illegal immigration... and her character just makes it worse.
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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2007, 10:28:56 PM » |
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It's good to hear that you're basing you opinions largely on the issues rather than on personalities. Too bad we disagree so completely on the issues.
Perhaps that's also why we seem to end up at odds on so many posts, although it's rarely the stated reason for our differences...
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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2007, 12:18:08 AM » |
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Curtain call!
Wave.
Cheers.
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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2007, 12:25:33 AM » |
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Once again, jpn cannot talk about the topic at hand because it's about a Democrat. So he runs a comical distraction to try to get the topic on Republicans instead.
Partisan hack O Contraire! My post directly contradicted Oswald's post. Clearly and directly. So much so that Oswald was reduced to feeble name-calling (like you. Just now. Or is that your new signature?) Which is why I'm still bowing. Waving. Look Totino: Egomania in action! You can tell your grandchildren you saw jpn reduced to lunacy while posting! OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2007, 01:44:25 AM » |
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Look Totino: Egomania in action! You can tell your grandchildren you saw jpn reduced to lunacy while posting!
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I wouldn't talk dude... your the one who thinks the solution to poverty is to sterilize poor people.  |
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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2007, 04:58:01 AM » |
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Look Totino: Egomania in action! You can tell your grandchildren you saw jpn reduced to lunacy while posting!
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I wouldn't talk dude... your the one who thinks the solution to poverty is to sterilize poor people. As opposed to subsidizing them and their offspring in perpetuity? Eh, dude? OswaldTheOsprey |
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