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« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2007, 02:14:03 PM » |
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Its purpose is the creation of intelligent beeings (man or other species).
We can argue that it's random and no purpose but the fact that we exists think and feel makes that the universe has forcibly this purpose.
Just look: Without the universe we wouldn't have planets on which to live. So from my very humble point of view, this is already a fairely valid purpose.
The Universe is there so that we can exist. I don't see any other reason or even a "null" reason.
If we ceased to exist and if no intelligent life existed the Universe would make no sens.
The second question is did someone create the universe so that we can exists?
In a purely philosophical way, you can answer yes or no wether you believe in God or not or wether you need an answer to ths question or not.
From a physical perspective it's unlikely. But it doesn't contradict the philosophical one.
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« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2007, 05:01:39 PM » |
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Its purpose is the creation of intelligent beeings (man or other species). Could be. Sure is an inefficient process. What did it take, 13.7 billion years to finally create intelligence in our star system (as far as we know)? |
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« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2007, 05:39:26 PM » |
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« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2007, 02:24:08 AM » |
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Its purpose is the creation of intelligent beeings (man or other species).
We can argue that it's random and no purpose but the fact that we exists think and feel makes that the universe has forcibly this purpose.
Just look: Without the universe we wouldn't have planets on which to live. So from my very humble point of view, this is already a fairely valid purpose.
The Universe is there so that we can exist. I don't see any other reason or even a "null" reason.
If we ceased to exist and if no intelligent life existed the Universe would make no sens.
The second question is did someone create the universe so that we can exists?
In a purely philosophical way, you can answer yes or no wether you believe in God or not or wether you need an answer to ths question or not.
From a physical perspective it's unlikely. But it doesn't contradict the philosophical one.
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« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2007, 05:50:36 AM » |
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Sure the universe has a purpose... To bring glory to God.  Let the smiting begin. |
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« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2007, 05:53:25 AM » |
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Sure the universe has a purpose... To bring glory to God. Let the smiting begin. I applauded your bravery  . |
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« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2007, 08:14:19 AM » |
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Some people are like... But others are more like... . MZL, you hit the nail right on the head with this one. I wanna know but I also don't want to know. The quintessential basis for why we suffer. When some smartass asked "Does the Universe have a purpose?" its obvious that the greatness of Mankind suddenly went downhill. |
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« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2007, 08:22:16 AM » |
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Sure the universe has a purpose...
To bring glory to God. Houm... and why should God care about glory? He is God...  |
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« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2007, 10:38:32 AM » |
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Sure the universe has a purpose...
To bring glory to God. Houm... and why should God care about glory? He is God... He cares because He is good. Giving glory to anything else would be misplaced and unhealthy |
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« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2007, 12:41:04 PM » |
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Its purpose is the creation of intelligent beeings (man or other species).
Sorry no, this is just arrogance/hubris/conceit. |
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« Reply #40 on: September 24, 2007, 12:41:18 PM » |
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Its purpose is the creation of intelligent beeings (man or other species). Could be. Sure is an inefficient process. What did it take, 13.7 billion years to finally create intelligence in our star system (as far as we know)? What is 13.7 billion years for a God who is immortal(by definition)? For him it's just like, say, 7 days for us... But I thought you sid it was inneficient because of our absolute lack of intelligence. 
Zee,When was the last time you observed a layer of paint capable of counciouseness and of philosophical consideration like this one?  Last time I took my stetoscope and tried to communicate with the paint on the fence of my garden, I didn't hear much replies. Maybe a better analogy would be that the purpose of the Eifel tower was to show the glory of their creator at the Universal Exhibition (in this case French would be God, which is near what they realy think indeed). Or maybe an even better one: Its purpose would be the diffusion of radio waves to millions of poeple. This analogy is very interresting because, like intelligent life didn't exist during the creation of the Universe, no one (Except God, but no one if you don't believe in him) could have known of this purpose since radio technology didn't exist when the construction of the Eifel Tower started. So the Universe would have been built " for itself" with no real purpose except a display of beauty and grandeur to those, imaginery aliens, who would be able to see it. Then as soon as a form of life philosophicaly concious appears, the ultimate porpose of the Universe is revealed (or changed). I don't think it's arrogance because this theory doesn't exclude an intelligent form superior to us. But the very fact that I'm here is, alone, a pretty good reason for the Universe to exist. (I'm afraid some on this forum will disagree... ) |
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« Reply #41 on: September 24, 2007, 12:44:38 PM » |
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Dualism. I love it.
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« Reply #42 on: September 24, 2007, 12:47:39 PM » |
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Sure the universe has a purpose...
To bring glory to God. Am I the only one who thinks this is really sad? God built the universe so we could "Give glory to him". He cares because He is good. Giving glory to anything else would be misplaced and unhealthy Of course he is good (if he exists) - good is relative to him. Hence, when he orders people to kill each other that's good. |
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« Reply #43 on: September 24, 2007, 01:17:52 PM » |
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Zee,When was the last time you observed a layer of paint capable of counciouseness and of philosophical consideration like this one? Last time I took my stetoscope and tried to communicate with the paint on the fence of my garden, I didn't hear much replies. But then... why you deem consciousness and philosophy, or the lack of them, as something relevant to the universe? All your point revolves around this hidden assumption: "we are the reason of the universe because we can claim it". But then, the ability to claim that you're the reason of the universe does not mean that you're the reason. It means that either you can't imagine another reason, or that your assumption is that there must be a reason... but then, the reason of the universe is not a need of the universe, but a need of us. We need that the universe haves a reason (and eventually we may claim we are the reason) but, why should the universe have a reason? It's WE who need reasons... not the matter and energy and laws of nature out there. They're quite the same without a reason. |
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« Reply #44 on: September 24, 2007, 01:26:17 PM » |
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Zee,When was the last time you observed a layer of paint capable of counciouseness and of philosophical consideration like this one? Last time I took my stetoscope and tried to communicate with the paint on the fence of my garden, I didn't hear much replies. But then... why you deem consciousness and philosophy, or the lack of them, as something relevant to the universe? All your point revolves around this hidden assumption: "we are the reason of the universe because we can claim it". But then, the ability to claim that you're the reason of the universe does not mean that you're the reason. It means that either you can't imagine another reason, or that your assumption is that there must be a reason... but then, the reason of the universe is not a need of the universe, but a need of us. We need that the universe haves a reason (and eventually we may claim we are the reason) but, why should the universe have a reason? It's WE who need reasons... not the matter and energy and laws of nature out there. They're quite the same without a reason. Exactly, we may see conciousness etc. are important but why would the universe 'think' that? |
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