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What do you think?
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2007, 07:35:58 PM » |
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No. We are along for a ride. Passangers of a Deterministic, Natural Universe. There is no goal, there is no final solution, or predetermined finish line, except as predicted by material mechanisms. The average human lives about 1000 months. Enjoy it while you can.  |
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2007, 12:17:57 AM » |
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pretty deep thread JPN. Yes, I think the universe has a purpose designed by a grand architect. I think there is an easier question that stems from you question, "what is the purpose of man?" IMO its to procreate. As far as narrowing what the purpose of the universe as a whole is, well thats.....my brain just exploded  |
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2007, 02:54:48 AM » |
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I use to swing between feeling it's a bugger and feeling it's a gorgeous joke. So, has the universe a purpose? Who cares. If it had, we wouldn't know; if we knew, we would be wrong; if we where right, it would suck; if it didn't sucked, we wouldn't be a part of it; and if we were a part of it, it couldn't be anything else but a joke... As my new signature goes: Don't take life too seriously; nobody lives to tell...  |
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2007, 04:40:22 PM » |
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2007, 04:54:47 PM » |
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No purpose.
Does it need one? Is "purpose" some kind of precursor to "existence"? Does your ring finger have a purpose? What about your second toe?
Why can't something "occur" simply out of randomness?
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2007, 05:15:27 PM » |
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No purpose.
Does it need one? Is "purpose" some kind of precursor to "existence"? Does your ring finger have a purpose? What about your second toe?
Why can't something "occur" simply out of randomness?
Why can't something occur out of randomness? Well random causation is a possibility but it is totally incompatiable with the orderly and structured operation of our world. If things were random, their would be no order, no reason, just things occuring and not occuring, an inconstruable uninterpretable ridiculous paradox. Does the universe have an overriding purpose? Oh most definitely, but it is most likely self defined. |
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2007, 05:42:10 PM » |
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Just because the creation is "random" does not make its function "random". If the universe's creation was random does not mean everything occuring inside it would be too. I don't see why a things function is a result of it's creation. I was born from a very controlled set of perameters but I have choice to be as controlled or uncontrolled as I want. Of course, this now begs the question whether the universe itself makes "choice". But that is going off topic. Creation does not define function. That's the point I'm trying to make. Does the universe have an overriding purpose? Oh most definitely, but it is most likely self defined. How so? |
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2007, 08:01:46 PM » |
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Here's a link to some deep thinkers who took a swing at the question: http://www.templeton.org/questions/purpose/I think I like Neil deGrasse Tyson's answer the best. Then Major Zee Lee's |
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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2007, 09:56:05 PM » |
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Too early in the world to tell. Get over it: you weren't born during a time where things like this can been explained. It sucks, I know.
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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2007, 02:33:03 AM » |
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Neil De Grasse's answer is good, yes. I like it too. I'm just a bit more cynical about mankind.
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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2007, 11:13:27 AM » |
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No purpose.
Does it need one? Is "purpose" some kind of precursor to "existence"? Does your ring finger have a purpose? What about your second toe?
Why can't something "occur" simply out of randomness?
Why can't something occur out of randomness? Well random causation is a possibility but it is totally incompatiable with the orderly and structured operation of our world. How so? If things were random, their would be no order, no reason, just things occuring and not occuring, an inconstruable uninterpretable ridiculous paradox.
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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2007, 04:35:04 PM » |
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No. We are along for a ride. Passangers of a Deterministic, Natural Universe. There is no goal, there is no final solution, or predetermined finish line, except as predicted by material mechanisms. The average human lives about 1000 months. Enjoy it while you can. I for once have to actually agree with daedalus |
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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2007, 09:04:04 PM » |
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Just because the creation is "random" does not make its function "random". If the universe's creation was random does not mean everything occuring inside it would be too. I don't see why a things function is a result of it's creation.
The universe is definately not random. It obeys very exact laws. Where life is concerned, the products of the evolutionary process are random. However, evolution itself is guided by natural selection, which is not a random process at all. |
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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2007, 09:11:10 PM » |
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Just because the creation is "random" does not make its function "random". If the universe's creation was random does not mean everything occuring inside it would be too. I don't see why a things function is a result of it's creation. The universe is definately not random. It obeys very exact laws. Where life is concerned, the products of the evolutionary process are random. However, evolution itself is guided by natural selection, which is not a random process at all. The only thing that may have been random was it's creation. Everything else follows a strict set of laws. That's what I was referring to. Perhaps the creation of the universe was the quinicential moment of entropy... |
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