Just curious, if it's conscious and haves no gender, then what it is? A he, a she, or a it?

(In Spanish there's no such problem... masculine means either male or neutral according to context as there's no equivalent to "it". Didn't used to be a problem until feminists began tangling with language with a moronic disdain about how in Spanish even objects and abstractions got a gramatical gender... table and war are feminine, sofa and fear are masculine... gramatically)

The reason why god is refered to as he is is for the insemination role that he played with the world. God did not birth creation, in the sense that this messy imperfect world came from him. rather he inseminated emptiness with his being and the result was the knocked up ether that manifested all of what you see here, including the new IAP forum.

We've been asking, but he ain't talkin'.

Zee
Because the Univers doesn't "think" and because there is nobody else to think than us and the still undiscovered intelligents beings on other planets, there can be a reason only if there is someone to estimate that reason.

Therefore the Universe would be without reason or sens in absence of  intelligent life.
With intelligent life, the Universe has a reason.
And this reason can be only the formation of intelligent life since without it and if this was not the reason, this reason would disapear.
So it can be said that intelligent life brings sens to the creation of the Universe.

dingue by name but not by nature.  I do however disagree with this.  Reasons are subjective.  Any reference to 'the universe' can only be objective (unless one is a total idealist).  I happen to think that the O includes the S (but could be wrong): however, just because the Objective universe includes reasons, there is no entailment that is performs/does 'reasoning'.   

Sure, "intelligent life brings sens to the creation of the Universe" but only from its own point of view - the universe itself doesn't have one.

It's wrong because it would mean that your life has no sens.


And from who else point of view you would like this reason to be?

The real question (if it's realy a question) is does the Universe has a reason for its creator?
If we assume that there is a thinking entity behind the creation of the Universe, there is forcibly a reason (which can be not us) otherwise he/she wouldn't have created the Universe. Because if it created the Universe without reason, then it wouldn't be a thinking entity (unless it was drunk or something).

I think part of the confusion is a bit of Category Error.

What is the purpose of a hurricane?  There are actions created by the hurricane, but, unless you are Jerry Falwell, or Pat Robertson, you can't say there is any purpose to a hurricane.  It just is.

You can attribute "purpose" to, say, a cup, because it was designed for a purpose. We know it was designed for a purpose: to drink from.

Your existence has no purpose, but your life does: you create your life (Life, in this way, defined as the story of your existence - not in the biological sense.)  You "design" the reason you get a job, get married or have kids.  You create your own purpose.

You can even CLAIM that some other person has a purpose to YOUR life.  That is, you can say when someone does something to you, that "the reason for that was for me to learn a lesson", but really it was just an action that you are processing in light of your perspective and your "narrative"; your Life.

You can even try to claim that the Universe has a purpose, but that would mean you designed that purpose into the Universe - which is absurd.

The universe wasn't designed to rape and murder some poor college student - likewise, it wasn't designed for someone to "find Allah" and save some child from being abused, or the Universe wasn't designed to massacre thousands of children - or, likewise, it wasn't designed for some aid workers to get food to starvinf children in Darfur, or to have Mozart compose some music, or for the Mets to implode, or some guy become a Mid to Lower class wood worker, or for some guy to divorce his wife for a gay lover, etc...

These are things that happen within the Universe and we only ascribe meaning to it from our own perspective.  When flooding in England happened one nutty Preist declares it an act of retribution from God because of Blair's gay policies, another person declares it a sign from God that He exists, another declares it a sign that he must make a new start, another person finds other meaning in it.

We are pattern seeking animals.  We try to find patterns in random events to try to make sense of our surroundings. (This has been scientifically proven, btw.)

To say "the Universe has a purpose" is to assign a pattern to it. To assign a narrative from your perspective that means something to your Life.

The purpose of the Universe?  For me to write this, and nothing more.



Seriously, to ascribe a purpose to the universe is a Category Error. It is something that is not designed, and therefore cannot "hold" the quality of having a purpose any more than a hurricane has a purpose.