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Author Topic: One pill makes you... gayer?  (Read 1179 times)
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« on: December 11, 2007, 11:52:08 AM »

Very interesting article. Obviously it has a lot of relevence to society, religion, etc.  It seems a given that Homosexuality is genetic and not a choice.  Are we looking at an age when people pop a pill for a weekend romp, and then go back to their Hetero or Homo life? Would the stigma all but disappear - only to be found in the annals of hate-speech and religious intolerance?


December 11, 2007,  2:03 pm
Turning Homosexuality On and Off
By John Tierney

Tags: bioethics, homosexuality

What if you could take a drug that would quickly alter your sexual orientation from straight to gay, or vice versa?
To their surprise, neurobiologists have discovered that homosexuality can be turned on or off in fruit flies. They’d known that sexual orientation can be genetically programmed, but they didn’t realize it could also be altered by giving a drug that changes the way the flies’ sensory circuits react to pheromones.
Within hours of the treatment, previously heterosexual male fruit flies would be courting other males, and treatment could also cause flies who had been engaging in homosexual behavior to become exclusively heterosexual, the neurobiologists report in Nature Neuroscience. You can read a summary of it here from the University of Illinois at Chicago, the home of one of the researchers, David Firestone.
“It was amazing,” Dr. Firestone said. “I never thought we’d be able to do that sort of thing, because sexual orientation is supposed to be hard-wired. This fundamentally changes how we think about this behavior.”
I asked Dr. Firestone if it might be possible one day to quickly alter humans’ sexual orientation. Here’s his answer:
Although I am not sure my research is a big step in this direction, I think that ultimately the answer will be: Yes. After all, the goal of neuroscience is a complete understanding of brain function. Understanding in science is typically demonstrated by the ability to control a process.
This morning, I received an email from a transsexual 5 years into her hormone therapy. She told me she regularly modifies her libido and orientation with diet and drugs. She even sent me a scientific reference explaining why her regimen might work. Now that is amazing research.
The question of whether or not homosexuality should be turned on and off is not a scientific question. It is an ethical/societal dilemma. I am glad my work is stimulating the discussion earlier rather than later. History is replete with poorly thought out attempts to ‘cure’ societal/behavioral ‘illnesses’ that turned out, with proper perspective, to not be ‘illnesses’ at all.
So let the discussion begin. I don’t think of homosexuality or heterosexuality as an “illness” to be “cured,” but I wonder how people would use the ability to control sexual orientation — to have a designer libido. Would some people, gay or straight, who weren’t having luck attracting one gender decide to switch to the other? Would some people casually switch back and forth?
Would some social conservatives (like Leon Kass), who normally object to biologists “playing god” and pharmacologists altering “human nature,” change their minds and urge the use of biotechnology to promote heterosexuality? Would some social liberals try to restrict the use of this biotechnology? Would parents, gay or straight, want to regulate their children’s sexual orientation — and should they or their children be allowed to do so?


http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/11/turning-homosexuality-on-and-off/
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2007, 12:02:03 PM »

OK, so this gives ruffies a whole new twist doesn't it?

The "walk of shame" could be scary the next day as well.
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2007, 12:16:45 PM »

Yeah, it's called ecstasy.
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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2007, 06:35:16 PM »

Yeah, it's called ecstasy.
oh so you know about switching back and forth huh wigs? Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2007, 09:09:43 AM »

OK, so this gives ruffies a whole new twist doesn't it?

The "walk of shame" could be scary the next day as well.

Thats hilarious! :-D


On a serious note, do you think some religious extremists would force or sneak the medication into their childrens food? Would some religionists who consider homosexuality an abomination start to force people to take it? I imagine Judeo-Xian-Islamic-Mormon cultures will overlook the fact that homosexuality is genetic (God made) and use the drug to override it.
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2007, 12:40:09 PM »

On a serious note, do you think some religious extremists would force or sneak the medication into their childrens food? Would some religionists who consider homosexuality an abomination start to force people to take it? I imagine Judeo-Xian-Islamic-Mormon cultures will overlook the fact that homosexuality is genetic (God made) and use the drug to override it.

Of course they would!
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2007, 12:43:21 PM »

That's what I'M sayin'!
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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2007, 12:57:05 PM »

Yeah, it's called ecstasy.
oh so you know about switching back and forth huh wigs? Smiley

I don't take pills.
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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2007, 12:58:07 PM »

That's what I'M sayin'!

So it was a rhetorical question?
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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2007, 01:51:07 PM »

That's what I'M sayin'!

So it was a rhetorical question?

I don't know. I was just taking a swipe at religious nuts... again!  It's my favorite indoor sport. Grin
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2007, 01:10:01 PM »

On a serious note, do you think some religious extremists would force or sneak the medication into their childrens food? Would some religionists who consider homosexuality an abomination start to force people to take it? I imagine Judeo-Xian-Islamic-Mormon cultures will overlook the fact that homosexuality is genetic (God made) and use the drug to override it.

Of course they would!

Yeah but so far only straight-to-gay pills exist. It's also unclear wether the effect is reversible.
Imagine your whife got bored with you and one morning you wake up gay because she had disolved one of those pill in your drink the day before.
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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2007, 04:11:07 PM »

On a serious note, do you think some religious extremists would force or sneak the medication into their childrens food? Would some religionists who consider homosexuality an abomination start to force people to take it? I imagine Judeo-Xian-Islamic-Mormon cultures will overlook the fact that homosexuality is genetic (God made) and use the drug to override it.

Of course they would!

Yeah but so far only straight-to-gay pills exist. It's also unclear wether the effect is reversible.
Imagine your whife got bored with you and one morning you wake up gay because she had disolved one of those pill in your drink the day before.

Yeah, good one. I just think its hilarious... of course, unless it happened to me...:-(
Not that there's anything wrong with that.... Grin laugh
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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2007, 06:48:50 PM »

Great.  Now it is justified to be intolerant of homosexuals because now they have a choice in the matter.  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2007, 07:15:42 PM »

It seems to me the pill would just create more grey area , you'll have 'unhappy gays' longing to fit in and become straight, straight people becoming gay because they're 'open minded'. And the world would just turn into either a massive orgy fest, or blown into smithereens because we've screwed the natural order and morality of our society up so bad, that we have to commit suicide.  Hey, look on the bright side, Camus would be right.
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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2007, 09:01:19 PM »

Manipulating instincts in fruit flies is a long way from manipulating human behavior.

Get back to us in about twenty years when the scientists have reached a greater understanding of just what the hell they're researching.
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