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Author Topic: Global over-population?  (Read 1578 times)
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« on: December 11, 2007, 12:36:45 PM »

Is that the real problem with the Environment (if the Environment thread is where this comment actually belongs?).

Too many people using too many resources? And the Environment fed to extremes by consumerism/capitalism?
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2007, 12:49:54 PM »

Just mix alittle Gaybecome in the water supply, soon only those who subsist on Beer or Bottle water will be straight.

http://www.itsallpolitics.com/forum/index.php?topic=1167.0
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2007, 07:08:06 PM »

Just mix alittle Gaybecome in the water supply, soon only those who subsist on Beer or Bottle water will be straight.

http://www.itsallpolitics.com/forum/index.php?topic=1167.0

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The scary thing is that the eugenics crowd may find this to be a viable option.  Lips Sealed
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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2007, 07:01:05 AM »

You sound Malthusian perhaps you should read the "Population Bomb"  by Paul Elhrich.  Anyway, turns out as marginal productivity increases and land is constant we have a diminishing returns effect.  But if we have technology that constantly advances then idea all goes down like a sack of shit.
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« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2007, 12:33:33 PM »

Just mix alittle Gaybecome in the water supply, soon only those who subsist on Beer or Bottle water will be straight.

http://www.itsallpolitics.com/forum/index.php?topic=1167.0

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The scary thing is that the eugenics crowd may find this to be a viable option.  Lips Sealed


I don't think eugenics is necessary. Eugenics implies that certain classes will be steralised (or killed) and others wont. The best way would be routine steralisation after the 1st birth. (I know it's horrible but the population cannot continue to expand unbounded)
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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2008, 12:26:02 PM »

Just mix alittle Gaybecome in the water supply, soon only those who subsist on Beer or Bottle water will be straight.

http://www.itsallpolitics.com/forum/index.php?topic=1167.0

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The scary thing is that the eugenics crowd may find this to be a viable option.  Lips Sealed


I don't think eugenics is necessary. Eugenics implies that certain classes will be steralised (or killed) and others wont. The best way would be routine steralisation after the 1st birth. (I know it's horrible but the population cannot continue to expand unbounded)

The Chinese have done just that, and the results so far are disasterous. 

Eugenics has long had a strong relationship with the overpopulation crowd, after all, someone has to play god.
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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2008, 01:57:48 PM »

Just mix alittle Gaybecome in the water supply, soon only those who subsist on Beer or Bottle water will be straight.

http://www.itsallpolitics.com/forum/index.php?topic=1167.0

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The scary thing is that the eugenics crowd may find this to be a viable option.  Lips Sealed


I don't think eugenics is necessary. Eugenics implies that certain classes will be steralised (or killed) and others wont. The best way would be routine steralisation after the 1st birth. (I know it's horrible but the population cannot continue to expand unbounded)

The Chinese have done just that, and the results so far are disasterous. 

Eugenics has long had a strong relationship with the overpopulation crowd, after all, someone has to play god.

I'm against eugenics. If this is to happen it must be applied equally to all.
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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2008, 02:56:07 PM »

The Chinese apply the law equally to all families.
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« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2008, 03:07:55 PM »

The Chinese apply the law equally to all families.

Yes, perhaps forcing people to do it is too far, perhaps voluntary steralisation with tax incentives.
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« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2008, 05:51:31 PM »

Europe did it and now finds its own population at risk. 
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« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2008, 08:09:56 PM »

Over-population = greater chance for people to catch and spread diseases.
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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2008, 08:10:10 PM »

The Chinese apply the law equally to all families.

Yes, perhaps forcing people to do it is too far, perhaps voluntary steralisation with tax incentives.

Nothing works better than opportunity. Europes negative population growth has a lot to do with economics. It also allows new cultures to come in and mix into a static culture, since the popultions will continue to grow globally, this means we can all look forward to new cultures mixing with ours. (Just as it has always been). (Europe's population isn't "at risk" in any human sense, it will be replenished, just not by the preferred races and creeds of some bigots).

However, you're right, overpopulation is a severe problem. Perhaps its time for a Global Flood, eh?  That would make more than few people on this Forum giddy with glee!

Seriously, though, you have to give China credit for making a tough decision. As much as it caused female infantcide, it kept their population lower than it would have been.  Of course, now the sheer numbers are becoming impossible to manage.

I don't think there are policies that can fix the problem (in terms of pop. control), war, disease and famine will be much more effective, as sad as that is.  We in the upper classes and richer nations have little to fear. We will always take the resources fo the poorer and defensless.

However, we will fill tomes on how we have moral responsibility for this and that, and we should do this and that, etc....
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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2008, 01:19:46 PM »

One thing is certain, we cannot fight climate change if the worlds population continues at this unsustainable level. For example, food prices are currently rising globally because more and more land is being devoted to biofuels (this is one of the reason why I say we shouldn't take extreme measures to prevent climate change but prepare instead).

We are also using valuable resources (not just fossil fuels), mineral deposits etc. There was an article in New Scientist last year about the state of the Earth's resources. It said that would run out of some elements within around 20 years.
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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2008, 10:01:27 AM »

I think the population problem will be solved through economics. The US is looking at a shortage of workers after the baby boomers. And the baby boomers are mostly due to advances in health care but people still following the tradition of a large family because of high death rates.

The economics plays in because almost every country has followed the same population growth based on economic growth. When countries are poor and health care is bad people have more babies, but they also die at higher rates. As the economy and health care improve initially families remain large, but then people realize that they no longer need a large family and the larger the family the bigger the economic burden (which isn't the case when people are primarily farmers in an undeveloped economy). After this population growth shrinks and the elderly population grows (this is where Europe, Japan, USA and some others are at right now). Japan and Russia have incentives for families to have babies because of a shrinking population. I really think through economic development and waiting until after each nations baby boom generation that population will stabilize. 
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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2008, 05:54:46 PM »

Fuck floods. Give me a Class III zombie outbreak. I'm ready for it. I can get along for a couple years on my own in the compound.



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