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Author Topic: The Necessity of God (?)  (Read 2492 times)
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« Reply #120 on: January 06, 2008, 07:06:05 PM »

Sorry barney, I can't get beyond the failure to complete your now false proof.  It is laying in a heap and I see no way around it.
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« Reply #121 on: January 06, 2008, 08:04:28 PM »

Then, since you have nothing more, we can move on.  We will end it without a credible rebuttal and assume it holds for now.
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« Reply #122 on: January 07, 2008, 04:49:22 AM »

Assumptions that one attempts to pass off as proofs are the key to self deception.  It is a formula that seems to work well for you. 
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« Reply #123 on: January 07, 2008, 10:49:11 AM »

Then, since you have nothing more, we can move on.  We will end it without a credible rebuttal and assume it holds for now.
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« Reply #124 on: January 13, 2008, 07:12:45 AM »

Then, since you have nothing more, we can move on.  We will end it without a credible rebuttal and assume it holds for now.

Your statement is illogical.  We do not cite an assumption as if it proves that something holds.  We can move on indeed but we must end with your attempted proof having failed.  At best you can walk away with an opinion.

As you walk away, though remember that your opinion rests on a shaky foundation because atheism/materialism has no adequate explanation for the origin of this universe, no explanation for life from non-life, no explanation for thought, or morality, or logic, or free will.  All of these things indicate the necessity for something beyond material.
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« Reply #125 on: January 13, 2008, 08:40:40 AM »

Then, since you have nothing more, we can move on.  We will end it without a credible rebuttal and assume it holds for now.

Your statement is illogical.  We do not cite an assumption as if it proves that something holds.  We can move on indeed but we must end with your attempted proof having failed.  At best you can walk away with an opinion.

As you walk away, though remember that your opinion rests on a shaky foundation because atheism/materialism has no adequate explanation for the origin of this universe, no explanation for life from non-life, no explanation for thought, or morality, or logic, or free will.  All of these things indicate the necessity for something beyond material.


... only if you deny the capacity of the material to produce life.  I object strongly to your abrogation of all the above to your shoogly mythology.  Sorry, I except 'free will'.  It most certainly is part of your mythology.

There is a thread on what constitures a 'good' explanation.  Your absence from it is remarkable.  Until you can contribute there, would you really consider that arguments about the adequacy of explanations are in any way credible?

(and BTW, if you are going to claim exclusive divine right to logic - then the charge that your opponents are being 'illogical' is tautologious.  You need only say 'I (i.e. god) disagrees')
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« Reply #126 on: January 13, 2008, 05:08:57 PM »

Then, since you have nothing more, we can move on.  We will end it without a credible rebuttal and assume it holds for now.

Your statement is illogical.  We do not cite an assumption as if it proves that something holds.  We can move on indeed but we must end with your attempted proof having failed.  At best you can walk away with an opinion.

As you walk away, though remember that your opinion rests on a shaky foundation because atheism/materialism has no adequate explanation for the origin of this universe, no explanation for life from non-life, no explanation for thought, or morality, or logic, or free will.  All of these things indicate the necessity for something beyond material.


... only if you deny the capacity of the material to produce life.

I don't see that life in itself is sufficient to explain thought, morality, logic or free will either.
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