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Theres a very wealthy Woman and her Husband that belong to the Lutheran church an old friend of mine is a member of. Every year this elderly couple host's a Christmas dinner at their multi-million dollar home in a very exclusive part of Los Angeles. As a favor to the Pastor, My friend had offered to use his truck to bring 30 chairs and a couple of large tables over to their home to seat the guests. He asked if I would help him and I agreed. As we pulled up to the estate, I noticed a couple of large "Obama 08" posters displayed in their front yard.
So, as we carried the chairs in, I casually brought up the Obama signs in the yard....The wife, Anne said, Oh yes...we are voting for Obama...we have a book of his that he signed for us....she proudly pulled the book and showed the signature...she continued, "He's a very nice man. Our next door neighbor hosted a fund raiser for him last year and we really enjoyed talking to him".....Humm, I said...So you like his policies?....She looked a little confused and said "yes, he was very polite and well spoken"....It hit me then that she had chosen to vote for him not because of any policies he had, but because, on a personal level, she liked him....And for her, that was enough. As we finished unloading the chairs and tables I wished them Happy Holidays and said, "I've got a book signed by Ron Paul" then we drove away.
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« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2007, 10:11:45 AM » |
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There's a trait called Charisma which Obama has plenty of and Ron Paul is seriously lacking, and you are kidding yourself if you think that doesn't play a part in who we chose as president.
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« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2007, 10:15:27 AM » |
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I have an idea. When you go into the voting booth and choose a candidate, a screen should pop up asking you a series a questions. Like, "this person is for ______, yes or no?" If you don't score 75% or better, your vote doesn't count.
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« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2007, 10:21:36 AM » |
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I have an idea. When you go into the voting booth and choose a candidate, a screen should pop up asking you a series a questions. Like, "this person is for ______, yes or no?" If you don't score 75% or better, your vote doesn't count.
I always said that I would prefer a lower turnout if it meant better informed individuals, but if we didn't like or dislike things on superficial things we wouldn't be human. |
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« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2007, 10:26:05 AM » |
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Just like people NOT voting for someone because of their personality and charisma, it works the same when voting FOR someone. Hiliary Clinton is an excellent example ..... Some people don't even know her policies, BUT THEY HATE HER. Which is fine for me, because I, too, hate her (but I do know her policies, and I think they're absolutely awful)!  Risinghigh |
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« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2007, 10:30:14 AM » |
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Just like people NOT voting for someone because of their personality and charisma, it works the same when voting FOR someone. Hiliary Clinton is an excellent example ..... Some people don't even know her policies, BUT THEY HATE HER. Which is fine for me, because I, too, hate her (but I do know her policies, and I think they're absolutely awful)! Risinghigh My mother is a perfect example of that. If Clinton's whole campaign was to give my mother a billion dollars, she still would vote for someone else. When I asked her why, all she could tell me was that she thought Clinton was a bitch and didn't like her. Knowledge of her policies never entered into it. Which is curious, because she once voted for Nader. |
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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2007, 10:35:22 AM » |
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I have an idea. When you go into the voting booth and choose a candidate, a screen should pop up asking you a series a questions. Like, "this person is for ______, yes or no?" If you don't score 75% or better, your vote doesn't count.
And if that person does not do what he/she says they're going to do, do they have to step down? |
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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2007, 10:40:01 AM » |
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I have an idea. When you go into the voting booth and choose a candidate, a screen should pop up asking you a series a questions. Like, "this person is for ______, yes or no?" If you don't score 75% or better, your vote doesn't count.
And if that person does not do what he/she says they're going to do, do they have to step down? Then you're fucked, basically. |
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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2007, 10:43:25 AM » |
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I have an idea. When you go into the voting booth and choose a candidate, a screen should pop up asking you a series a questions. Like, "this person is for ______, yes or no?" If you don't score 75% or better, your vote doesn't count.
And if that person does not do what he/she says they're going to do, do they have to step down? Then you're fucked, basically. Somehow I do not consider that as being too fair!  |
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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2007, 10:44:58 AM » |
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There's nothing you can really do about that.
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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2007, 11:08:00 AM » |
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I like your idea BBW.
But to contribute on the topic, it really depends.
I've heard females say "I'm voting for Hillary because she is a female". They know nothing about her policies. And as Dick Morris has been saying all along, Hillary could end up getting millions of votes from housewives who never usually vote.
I've also heard people saying they'd vote for Obama because of skin color.
But the smart people of the word vote based on VIEWS (which I don't think happens often).
Of course some do vote on views. But those views are not carried out once the politician gets into office (cough bush cough).
You also have to take into account the media. I truly believe that in this day and age they play a big role in who the top contenders are.
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« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2007, 01:43:57 PM » |
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My mom's voting for her Hillary cause she's a woman... because my mom really doesn't know much about politics nor does she care. That's her "favorite" but she'll end up voting for whoever the Teacher's Union tells her. My dad usually does that (they're both teachers), but he's much smarter than my mother in regards to politics. He voted for Nader in 2004  ! As for what *I* look for in my presidents? Well, that's a process still forming considering I've recently changed my motivations and my "alignment" and have become a little more conservative ( conservative, not Republican) in the last year or so. What am I looking for: non-interventionism, realization of the economic burden that my generation and I will face and the economy as a whole, free-trade, Education, anti-Universal Healthcare... A few others, but they don't make or break a vote. |
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« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2007, 04:19:50 PM » |
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There's nothing you can really do about that.
Sort of like the way there is nothing you can do about people that do not know what the candidates believe in, huh.  |
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« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2007, 04:35:55 PM » |
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There's nothing you can really do about that.
Sort of like the way there is nothing you can do about people that do not know what the candidates believe in, huh. No, I showed how. |
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« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2007, 05:20:01 PM » |
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There's nothing you can really do about that.
Sort of like the way there is nothing you can do about people that do not know what the candidates believe in, huh. No, I showed how. Good luck to you getting it! |
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