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« Reply #60 on: December 18, 2007, 06:26:12 AM » |
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Gex, over at the "Ron Paul Leads Alaskan Poll" thread you write: "I like Huckabee who is still a long shot, but I know my vote will help him a hell of a lot more than Paul."
You understand that Huckabee is as anti-choice as they come, right? Gex, make up your mind. Your flip flopping more then a politician. Lets see Huckabee is in the Mid 20's and in some cases leading the pack so how am I flip flopping by saying I might vote for someone with a real chance of winning. Do you discard a candidate if you don't agree with him on every point? Just because I'm pro-choice doesn't mean I automatically discount him, think before you write something. |
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« Reply #61 on: December 18, 2007, 06:28:26 AM » |
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The most people who are pro-life are "compassionate" conservatives yet they tend to lose that compassion for children who don't have a choice as well when is comes to immigration. We already give citizenship to children born here even if from illegals...which I absolutely think we shouldn't. What is the compassionate thing to do, keep the kids here and send their parents back? Keep them all here? Platitudes are easy...solutions take a little more effort. |
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« Reply #62 on: December 18, 2007, 08:57:29 PM » |
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Lets see Huckabee is in the Mid 20's and in some cases leading the pack so how am I flip flopping by saying I might vote for someone with a real chance of winning. Do you discard a candidate if you don't agree with him on every point? Just because I'm pro-choice doesn't mean I automatically discount him, think before you write something. Mid 20's? He's not more then 10% on the vast majority of polls. Talk about wishful thinking. You know gex, Huckabee is a good speaker and a quick thinker, but he is an ordained Minister, is he not? Religion and politics make dangerous bed fellows. So, while I can appreciate his public speaking ability I would never want to see what would happen with that type of marriage of Politics and Religion. And you keep overstating Huckabees polling #'s when, truth be told, Paul isn't that far behind AND Paul's been raising a ton of money. And thats individual contributions mostly, unlike the corporate payola contributions of Hill-billy and O BamBam. Are you an overtly religious person? Is that part of the Huckabee attraction? |
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jpn of Seattle
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« Reply #63 on: December 18, 2007, 09:04:34 PM » |
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Do you discard a candidate if you don't agree with him on every point? Just because I'm pro-choice doesn't mean I automatically discount him, think before you write something. In a 1998 book decrying American culture, Huckabee either was really a lot more of a religious fundamentalist than he often appears now, or he's hiding his real beliefs from us. Huckabee wrote Kids Who Kill: Confronting Our Culture of Violence with George Grant in response to the March 24, 1998, school shooting in Jonesboro, Arkansas. The book was published in early June of that year, its cover featuring a blurry photograph of a young boy pointing a gun at the reader. Abortion, environmentalism, AIDS, pornography, drug abuse, and homosexual activism have fragmented and polarized our communities.
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It is now difficult to keep track of the vast array of publicly endorsed and institutionally supported aberrations—from homosexuality and pedophilia to sadomasochism and necrophilia. Let's see, homosexuality and necrophilia? Are you serious? This guy is around the bend. He's sick. According to Huckabee, if you don't buy into what Huckabee chooses to believe, you're more likely to be an evildoer: Men who have rejected God and do not walk in faith are more often than not immoral, impure, and improvident (Gal. 5:19-21). They are prone to extreme and destructive behavior, indulging in perverse vices and dissipating sensuality (1 Cor. 6:9-10). And they—along with their families and loved ones—are thus driven over the brink of destruction (Prov. 23:21). http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2007/12/huckabee-homosexuality-environmentalism-book.htmlI find this man almost as scarey as Giuliani. Maybe more so. Because I know Giuliani just says stuff to get elected. Huckabee seems to really believe. Scarey. Let's see, if I'm going to discuss Huckabee, I guess I better learn how to spell "scary." |
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What you got is everything-and I mean everything—run by the political arm. It’s the reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis. --John DiIulio, former White House official
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« Reply #64 on: December 18, 2007, 09:08:12 PM » |
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But not 2 worry...If Huckabees elected he will only do what God instructs him to do.*
*denotes sarcasm
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« Reply #65 on: December 19, 2007, 04:55:42 AM » |
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But not 2 worry...If Huckabees elected he will only do what God instructs him to do.*
*denotes sarcasm
Sort of like this guy did? *  Some may ask how can you compare the Ayatollah to huckleberry ,but they are birds of a feather in many ways. Their directives for leadership comes from divine inspiration not from pragmatic analissis. They both share the assertion that they are sure they are correct ...without thinking about anything. All that needs to be done on an important decision, is to consult the guide book. *denotes Sarcastic response |
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Yes we can ...and now we will...
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« Reply #66 on: December 19, 2007, 06:30:17 AM » |
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I find this man almost as scarey as Giuliani. Maybe more so. Because I know Giuliani just says stuff to get elected. Huckabee seems to really believe.
Scarey.
Then you should feel right at home with Hillary. She'll tell you anything you want to hear for sure. Way to move the focus away from Huckabee and Giuliani. |
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A fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject.
In America, anyone can be president. That\\\'s one of the risks you take.
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« Reply #67 on: December 19, 2007, 06:42:45 AM » |
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I didn't see anything truly worthwhile being said.
That being said, I'll delete my post so we can get back to meaningless drivel (especially from 'thinker') on topics he couldn't possible know less about.
ps: it's been noted (by me, at least) how few posts tout ANY decent qualities from the Democratic field. Instead, we are treated to the typical bashing BS. I guess after 8 years of nothing else, old habits will die hard.
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« Reply #68 on: December 19, 2007, 09:23:39 AM » |
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I didn't see anything truly worthwhile being said.
That being said, I'll delete my post so we can get back to meaningless drivel (especially from 'thinker') on topics he couldn't possible know less about.
ps: it's been noted (by me, at least) how few posts tout ANY decent qualities from the Democratic field. Instead, we are treated to the typical bashing BS. I guess after 8 years of nothing else, old habits will die hard. Your making it a partisan issue when its not. For me its a matter of honesty. Every one of these candidates has sworn an oath to defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic. How many have kept that promise from any party? You want to take a guess? Just one. Out of all the candidates there is only one who has kept their word. And that person is Ron Paul. Sure, all the other candidates have some good points. Thats how they got where they are. But, unfortunately they also, IMHO, are all yes men/woman who will tell you whatever they think will convince you to vote for them. All but one. They all have a group of advisor's and Managers that dictate what their candidates do and say. None of them WRITE THEIR OWN SPEECHES for God sake. All but one. Ron Paul. I'm not voteing for their advisor's, I'm voteing for one person. I want to know what my candidate REALLY thinks, not what some group of advisor's has told him/her to say. I want someone who respects the rule of Law (the Constitution) and someone who isn't trying to change it all the time to suit their agenda. I'm not bashing anyone. I'm stating the facts as I know them. i want some honesty, some integrity. I want to feel proud to be an American once again. |
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« Reply #69 on: December 19, 2007, 10:39:26 AM » |
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I'm reading more about Paul now.
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Abraxas
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« Reply #70 on: December 19, 2007, 10:47:24 AM » |
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I'm reading more about Paul now.
YAY! I'm trying to hide my true excitement... |
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Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like its from Neptune.
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... you can almost see the high water mark - that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.
- Hunter S. Thompson
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« Reply #71 on: December 19, 2007, 11:01:00 AM » |
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You don't like Paul?
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Abraxas
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« Reply #72 on: December 19, 2007, 11:48:06 AM » |
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No, I do. That's why I'm excited.
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Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like its from Neptune.
- Noam Chomsky
... you can almost see the high water mark - that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.
- Hunter S. Thompson
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« Reply #73 on: December 19, 2007, 04:14:54 PM » |
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Is anyone considering the rumor out on Forbes that Bloomberg may decide to run after all? http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2007/12/15/bloomberg-mayor-independent-oped-cx_daa_1215bloomberg.html%20Saw this posted on a different forum. I thought that rumor had been squelched, but maybe not? I'm not sure why anyone would be seriously interested in Huckabee, but since he was a former Southern Baptist minister, anyone who is interested in essentially what the beliefs are expounded by the Southern Baptist Convention might find their site someone interesting if they are serious about reading and attempting to understand Huckabee's belief system. Actually, some might be surprised to find some of it not all that different from the Republican Platform. The Southern Baptist site and "Faith In Message" is here for those interested. Checking it out might beat trying to guess where Huckabee is coming from. http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp |
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« Reply #74 on: December 19, 2007, 05:07:51 PM » |
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Democrat CFR Candidates:
Barack Obama
Hillary Clinton
John Edwards
Chris Dodd
Bill Richardson
Republican CFR Candidates:
Mitt Romney
Rudy Giuliani
John McCain
Fred Thompson
Newt Gingrich
No matter who wins their parties nomination you can be sure of one thing, the winner of the nest presidential election will be a member of the CFR.
Of course most Americans are too lazy to bother researching the CFR.
NO, WHY DO RESEARCH WHEN IT IS SO MUCH EASIER TO LET OTHERS TELL YOU WHAT TO THINK.
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